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OUT WITH A DEAL EATING OUR CAKE AND LOVING IT suck it up remoaners
And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.
It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.
The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.
Happy Days.
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OUT AFLI SUCK IT UP REMOANER LOSERS
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Remoaner,losers . on 18:55 - Jul 22 by waynekerr55
I'm sure the truth lies somewhere inbetween; if hardly call the climate change deniers (who also happen to be for brexit) ones who will help us ecologically
Most so called climate change deniers that I have interacted with are ex tree huggers and the like. They have seen what the concentration on all the wrong issues have done and are still doing to the world. I suggest you watch the Moore film "Planet of the Humans" and read Michael Shellenberger's book "Apocalypse Never", both ex rabid greens.
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Remoaner,losers . on 23:33 - Jul 22 with 1960 views
Remoaner,losers . on 22:52 - Jul 21 by Kilkennyjack
This idiot knows peace in Europe was not by chance.
The EU has done a fantastic job.
You would have to be a half witted, xenophobe, fascist to even think that the EU has not underpinned a lasting peace. Its fecking obvious.
3 truths about Brexshite ....
1. Its happening and it was always going to be a no deal crash out so the disaster capitalists gain their millions. Noone else benefits. 2. The Brexit vote was so corrupt that successive Tory scum governments are too scared to even look 3. The UK will rejoin on worse terms, the demographics of the vote makes this a certainty
Remoaner,losers . on 22:57 - Jul 20 by Kilkennyjack
Peace in Europe for 75 years is probably a quite important thing ...?
You must be on a wind up because you know the EEC wasn't formed until 1957 with NATO starrting in 1949.
If it's not a wind up then please explain how peace was maintained by an organisation that (even in it's earliest incarnation) didn't exist until 12 years later than your given date?
You must be on a wind up because you know the EEC wasn't formed until 1957 with NATO starrting in 1949.
If it's not a wind up then please explain how peace was maintained by an organisation that (even in it's earliest incarnation) didn't exist until 12 years later than your given date?
Its common knowledge that the EU of today was started by the Schumann declaration of 1950 which led to the formation of the coal and steel community in 1951. This was the birth of the EU
The specific reason for the formation was to integrate coal and steel production( the raw materials of war) to make it politically and economically impossible for members states to go to war with each other who had been at war with each other on and off for centuries.
Nato helped keep the peace between the West and the Warsaw pact. The EU has facilitated peace between western European countries,
Lets be honest with the current fekwits that keep getting voted in, its now not inconceivable following Brexit that the UK will initiate some sort of conflict with Spain in the foreseeable future.
Remoaner,losers . on 18:01 - Jul 24 by sherpajacob
Its common knowledge that the EU of today was started by the Schumann declaration of 1950 which led to the formation of the coal and steel community in 1951. This was the birth of the EU
The specific reason for the formation was to integrate coal and steel production( the raw materials of war) to make it politically and economically impossible for members states to go to war with each other who had been at war with each other on and off for centuries.
Nato helped keep the peace between the West and the Warsaw pact. The EU has facilitated peace between western European countries,
Lets be honest with the current fekwits that keep getting voted in, its now not inconceivable following Brexit that the UK will initiate some sort of conflict with Spain in the foreseeable future.
Of course anybody who did their research before voting in the referendum would already know all this.
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I doubt in those days they were planning to build a true European Army, or planning to build the world in their own image. But If Empire your thing, not for me to tell people how to vote.
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Remoaner,losers . on 00:41 - Jul 25 with 1973 views
People are arguing with each other and to a degree splitting hairs, most of the countries in NATO are in the EU and vice versa. There’s a huge amount of cooperation between the organisations.
Albania, Iceland, Turkey, the US,Norway and Canada are members of Nato but not the EU, however Norway and Iceland are in the EEA trading hoc with the EU.
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Remoaner,losers . on 01:18 - Jul 25 with 1972 views
Remoaner,losers . on 00:41 - Jul 25 by majorraglan
People are arguing with each other and to a degree splitting hairs, most of the countries in NATO are in the EU and vice versa. There’s a huge amount of cooperation between the organisations.
Albania, Iceland, Turkey, the US,Norway and Canada are members of Nato but not the EU, however Norway and Iceland are in the EEA trading hoc with the EU.
They also give full credit to the EU for forging peace since 1945 while conveniently forgetting the UN which was founded in........ 1945.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
I doubt in those days they were planning to build a true European Army, or planning to build the world in their own image. But If Empire your thing, not for me to tell people how to vote.
Christ, you are still pushing the "Euro Army" bollux.
Let's put this to bed shall we...The European armies have worked together under the auspices of NATO for quite a while but the drawbacks were the difficulties of a diverse supply chain and the extra costs involved in different standards of weapons, munitions, vehicles and ancilliary tools.
The US convinced the European nations to convert from 7.62 to 5.56 weapons/ammunition...mostly down to an American supplier needing a bigger market. That said it then demonstrated the usefullness of a simplified supplychain and commonality of equipment and training. This was further advanced by the utilisation of a common warfighting doctrine...mostly suplied by British and American experinces combined with those of Allied "expeditionary forces" in the middleast.
Europe then realised that even though the US demanded NATO support in it's actions, the US could not be trusted to support them every time in actions that they thought fit/necessary. Therefore the governments realised that they needed to improve the European interopability and the idea of a European army was born...except that it was not a homogenous Euro Army, it was an integrated European Nations Allied force.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
Christ, you are still pushing the "Euro Army" bollux.
Let's put this to bed shall we...The European armies have worked together under the auspices of NATO for quite a while but the drawbacks were the difficulties of a diverse supply chain and the extra costs involved in different standards of weapons, munitions, vehicles and ancilliary tools.
The US convinced the European nations to convert from 7.62 to 5.56 weapons/ammunition...mostly down to an American supplier needing a bigger market. That said it then demonstrated the usefullness of a simplified supplychain and commonality of equipment and training. This was further advanced by the utilisation of a common warfighting doctrine...mostly suplied by British and American experinces combined with those of Allied "expeditionary forces" in the middleast.
Europe then realised that even though the US demanded NATO support in it's actions, the US could not be trusted to support them every time in actions that they thought fit/necessary. Therefore the governments realised that they needed to improve the European interopability and the idea of a European army was born...except that it was not a homogenous Euro Army, it was an integrated European Nations Allied force.
Christ, you are still pushing the "Euro Army" bollux.
Let's put this to bed shall we...The European armies have worked together under the auspices of NATO for quite a while but the drawbacks were the difficulties of a diverse supply chain and the extra costs involved in different standards of weapons, munitions, vehicles and ancilliary tools.
The US convinced the European nations to convert from 7.62 to 5.56 weapons/ammunition...mostly down to an American supplier needing a bigger market. That said it then demonstrated the usefullness of a simplified supplychain and commonality of equipment and training. This was further advanced by the utilisation of a common warfighting doctrine...mostly suplied by British and American experinces combined with those of Allied "expeditionary forces" in the middleast.
Europe then realised that even though the US demanded NATO support in it's actions, the US could not be trusted to support them every time in actions that they thought fit/necessary. Therefore the governments realised that they needed to improve the European interopability and the idea of a European army was born...except that it was not a homogenous Euro Army, it was an integrated European Nations Allied force.
Ha arrogance and wrong D J, a leathel combo for you, but not a new one as I recall ;)
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Remoaner,losers . on 11:57 - Jul 25 with 1875 views
Note she calls it the EU ARMY. Can anybody make it any clearer for you?
“set up the building blocks of a European defence union” - thats a direct quote you that you appeared not to notice.
Also from the same article - In November the European Union announced 13 new joint military projects including new warships and a swath of new electronic warfare systems, bringing the total amount of joint EU army projects to 47.
Again mentioning joint projects - all about interoperability, so you actually proved my post to be correct.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Remoaner,losers . on 14:08 - Jul 25 with 1849 views
“set up the building blocks of a European defence union” - thats a direct quote you that you appeared not to notice.
Also from the same article - In November the European Union announced 13 new joint military projects including new warships and a swath of new electronic warfare systems, bringing the total amount of joint EU army projects to 47.
Again mentioning joint projects - all about interoperability, so you actually proved my post to be correct.
Here is the link to her statements that you probably did not bother to follow. https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/12/eu-army-already-taking-shape-brags-g Here is the link to her actual statement in her own wards where she uses the term European Army. https://app.handelsblatt.com/today/opinion/ursula-von-der-leyen-europe-is-formin I am sorry but when the president of the European Commission says it is an Army then the rest of us need to believe it is an army. We also have Juncker, her predecesor and Macron, saying exactly the same thing. Calling it a "Defence Force", that can be used to project Europe's requirements abroad does not sound very "defensive" and is an army by another name, as you well know.
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Remoaner,losers . on 15:34 - Jul 25 with 1827 views
Here is the link to her statements that you probably did not bother to follow. https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/12/eu-army-already-taking-shape-brags-g Here is the link to her actual statement in her own wards where she uses the term European Army. https://app.handelsblatt.com/today/opinion/ursula-von-der-leyen-europe-is-formin I am sorry but when the president of the European Commission says it is an Army then the rest of us need to believe it is an army. We also have Juncker, her predecesor and Macron, saying exactly the same thing. Calling it a "Defence Force", that can be used to project Europe's requirements abroad does not sound very "defensive" and is an army by another name, as you well know.
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And again nothing in those articles says that there is going to be one homogenous Euro Army.
"That shows the potential Europe has to unify and to promote peace. It’s absolutely essential that we Europeans support one another. After all, other major and superpowers are determinedly pursuing their own interests and expanding their strategic influence around the world. "
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Remoaner,losers . on 20:34 - Jul 25 with 1789 views
“set up the building blocks of a European defence union” - thats a direct quote you that you appeared not to notice.
Also from the same article - In November the European Union announced 13 new joint military projects including new warships and a swath of new electronic warfare systems, bringing the total amount of joint EU army projects to 47.
Again mentioning joint projects - all about interoperability, so you actually proved my post to be correct.
Cooperatio between EU members armed forces has been there for a while. There is still talk of an EU army though and Von der Leyen is a big supporter of it.
Cooperatio between EU members armed forces has been there for a while. There is still talk of an EU army though and Von der Leyen is a big supporter of it.
So in essence what you are saying is that, currently, I'm still right. Glad we cleared that up.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Remoaner,losers . on 09:29 - Jul 26 with 1716 views
Remoaner,losers . on 09:29 - Jul 26 by waynekerr55
I think the essence of the arguments that won the referendum were (and still are) hypothetical. Yes they could happen but when we don't know.
It's like selling your house because Dave down the pub told you there's a price crash coming
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Don’t be so demeaning WK
It was not Dave from down the pub who called for the creation of a ‘real’ ‘true’ European Army. It was Merkel and Macron. The leaders of the 2 of the most powerful countries in the EU.
It was not Dave from down the pub that was applauded at the EU for announcing this, it was Merkel.
It was not Dave from down the pub that entered into an accord that was seen as a base for this, it was France and Germany.
Nor was it Dave from down the pub who endorsed this
From the Independent...
The European Commission has said it is “delighted” that the leaders of France and Germany have backed the creation of a “real” EU army.
Also you have intimated AFD’s source was unreliable but have failed to confirm if you were disputing the quotes or just throwing mud to cover up the facts.
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Remoaner,losers . on 13:19 - Jul 26 with 1675 views
Please point out what is wrong...oh and dont just a verbiage of words which demonstrate nothing as that is not disproving my point.
And as to the manner in which you dismissed my point here is a quote from you...
"Fair point, I am always calling other posters thick and stupid
Oh wait, no, sorry, that’s not me."
You were wrong in saying
‘Christ, you are still pushing the "Euro Army" bollux’
It certainly is far from bollux as detailed in my response to WK above, and I think as such, many would consider your dismissive reply (to recorded facts about intentions from the top of the EU and from its 2 most powerful nations) as arrogant and demeaning.
So yes I dismissed you arrogance in incorrectly calling the prospect of an Eu Army ‘bollux’
I certainly never called you thick or stupid or even challenged your own previous assertion that you are above average intelligence. I din’t feel the need to generally rubbish others to make my points.
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Remoaner,losers . on 14:16 - Jul 26 with 1658 views
Some posters love to deny an EU army is on the cards. They love to say it's thick leavers falling for another brexit lie. Some of those posters love to think they are more intelligent yet they can't even see or just refuse to accept what is right in front of them.
Another thing they often refuse to accept is that the Eu might collapse. There are many internal arguments going on in the EU. Rghe Eastern countries are getting restless, Hungary has been stirring the pot, Poland too and today I read Poland is pulling out of an EU treaty, the Istanbuk convention on violence against women. Several countries are taking baby steps towards the exit, maybe it's only a matter of time. In which case Brexit may not turn out to be the disaster remainers usually claim but it could turn ou to be a great move. If we are already disentangled and the Eu collapses, it won't be such a problem to us.
In an increasingly troubled world who can predict what will happen. Europe and the USA are moving further apart, China and Russia are not just causing ripples, now they are making waves. Maybe the Russians wanted the UK to brexit because their long term aim is break up the EU. After interference in the Ukraine do they see the EU as a threat? Maybe the EU is more of a problem than people realised, it's empire building having been poking the Russian bear with a sharp stick and now that bear is getting it's claws out. If the EU had stayed a trading bloc maybe it would have been more succesful. It's push toward further integration has only caused problems.
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