| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and 09:45 - Jan 14 with 9257 views | caerleon_jack |
...can't-wait-to-blame-HJ-ers...
Teams have survived after being in far, far worse positions than ours.
Look up rather than down. Win our next two games and we can be mid-table(ish). Lose our next two games and we'll still probably be two games away from mid-table.
Be positive. I'd much rather spend the rest of the season being positive and enjoying Premier League while we're in it, than spending the next 5 months moaning and waiting to gloat that I was right about being doomed. Seriously, the fact that some of you will not be happy until we are relegated is sickening.
Remember where we came from. All those crowing that HJ has ruined us and made so many mistakes over the last two years. HJ has been lauded, and quite rightly, for the way he's run the club since he became chairman. He's not a foreign owner who's lost interest, he's a local man who is doing his best for the club. He's made a few duff decisions, but he's got the best interests of the club at heart. Show me someone who is ready and able to do a better job.
Last night was an important game. However, that one game is not going to decide our season. We suffered some dreadful referee decisions, and the fact the Big Sam has admitted that shows that this is not some case of some fans thinking the ref picked on us because we're Welsh. The ref and his assistants were inept and potentially cost us a point if not three. We didn't play brilliantly, but we would have gotten something from that game with better officials.
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 17:08 - Jan 14 with 1416 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 16:48 - Jan 14 by monmouth |
We were effectively playing Sousaball last year with better chance conversion I thought. I'd hoped we'd build on the attacking side - especially when we took Beattie on. That went well. All members of the Board need to butt out from the playing side. They can set overall strategy and targets with the manager, but all day to day interference, (for example watching training on a regular basis stuff) needs to stop. manager needs to have a veto on player aquisition too, even if identification and selection of players is a collaborative exercise based on the agreed set strategy. |
That would certainly be a move in the direction that's for sure. We just need to get someone we will trust I guess. Do we have that in us! I mean the trust bit. I think the model you describe is what needs to happen though without doubt. I reckon it's far easier to stay up than going up, if that makes sense. Thus, as I said earlier in thread, we should be fighting, screaming kicking doing everything we can on and off the pitch I'm sure the players would react to that too. I know they're doing the best along with AC. But sadly, I'm not sure if that will be anywhere near enough. Really hope I'm wrong on that score. I'm sure we can still get out of this mess by doing the right thing.
A few had said its sqeaky bum time. If we don't act accordingly soon, it won't be sqeaky bum at all. It will be following through! Sorry for the crude analogy. |  | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 17:40 - Jan 14 with 1389 views | Dr_Winston |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 16:48 - Jan 14 by monmouth |
We were effectively playing Sousaball last year with better chance conversion I thought. I'd hoped we'd build on the attacking side - especially when we took Beattie on. That went well. All members of the Board need to butt out from the playing side. They can set overall strategy and targets with the manager, but all day to day interference, (for example watching training on a regular basis stuff) needs to stop. manager needs to have a veto on player aquisition too, even if identification and selection of players is a collaborative exercise based on the agreed set strategy. |
Spot on. |  |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 11:45 - Jan 15 with 1326 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 16:48 - Jan 14 by monmouth |
We were effectively playing Sousaball last year with better chance conversion I thought. I'd hoped we'd build on the attacking side - especially when we took Beattie on. That went well. All members of the Board need to butt out from the playing side. They can set overall strategy and targets with the manager, but all day to day interference, (for example watching training on a regular basis stuff) needs to stop. manager needs to have a veto on player aquisition too, even if identification and selection of players is a collaborative exercise based on the agreed set strategy. |
Have you seen Fiorentina play this season? It's not sousaball as we know it. He's taken things up a few levels. His team are 3rd in serie a. Not only that they play excellent football. He wil no doubt move onto bigger things.
His work here was so undervalued and weirdly airbrushed out of our history. Hollywood eh! | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 11:50 - Jan 15 with 1316 views | QuakerJack |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 11:45 - Jan 15 by costalotta |
Have you seen Fiorentina play this season? It's not sousaball as we know it. He's taken things up a few levels. His team are 3rd in serie a. Not only that they play excellent football. He wil no doubt move onto bigger things.
His work here was so undervalued and weirdly airbrushed out of our history. Hollywood eh! |
I seem to remember Monk being very involved in his departure as well...
and correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt Monk say he was glad we didn't get promoted under Sousa? |  |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 11:54 - Jan 15 with 1309 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 11:50 - Jan 15 by QuakerJack |
I seem to remember Monk being very involved in his departure as well...
and correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt Monk say he was glad we didn't get promoted under Sousa? |
Monk has most definitely been outed!
Looks like that he did one on Sousa, laudrup, the Spanish contingent, dyer and one or two others in the squad. What dos he knows better, or how to manage. FFS the writing was on the wall and as fans we shouldn't have buried our heads in the sand. And forget last season. Football is all about the present and the future, not the past. Yes you can look to the past for clues, but you have to learn from it every time.
What goes around comes around. He should never have been appointed in the first place and how Jenkins did not realise that about his character after witnessing the Sousa event I don't know. Unless of course he was complicit? | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:01 - Jan 15 with 1288 views | QuakerJack |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 11:54 - Jan 15 by costalotta |
Monk has most definitely been outed!
Looks like that he did one on Sousa, laudrup, the Spanish contingent, dyer and one or two others in the squad. What dos he knows better, or how to manage. FFS the writing was on the wall and as fans we shouldn't have buried our heads in the sand. And forget last season. Football is all about the present and the future, not the past. Yes you can look to the past for clues, but you have to learn from it every time.
What goes around comes around. He should never have been appointed in the first place and how Jenkins did not realise that about his character after witnessing the Sousa event I don't know. Unless of course he was complicit? |
I think that's the key... particularly with Laudrup... Jenkins was happy to comply because Monk provided him with the perfect opportunity to get more involved without upsetting the man in the hot seat.
You can see why one of Laudrup's first acts was to try and offload him (and Tate). | |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:04 - Jan 15 with 1286 views | Bloodyhills |
I don't believe for a moment that any of our fans want us to be relegated to they can gloat. We all have different views on how things can be achieved but we all want the best for the club. [Post edited 15 Jan 2016 12:20]
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:10 - Jan 15 with 1277 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:04 - Jan 15 by Bloodyhills |
I don't believe for a moment that any of our fans want us to be relegated to they can gloat. We all have different views on how things can be achieved but we all want the best for the club. [Post edited 15 Jan 2016 12:20]
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We sure do.
I hardly posted for years but know I feel the need only because I think it's outrageous what's happening at our club. The more heads we get together the more chance of find The solution and not a solution. | | | |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:23 - Jan 15 with 1268 views | raynor94 |
A lot of revisionism going on here, yes we had a good season under Sousa, but surely one of the most boring, and there was a overwhelming sense of relief when Leicester came in for him, I await with baited breath the contradictions |  |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:32 - Jan 15 with 1254 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:23 - Jan 15 by raynor94 |
A lot of revisionism going on here, yes we had a good season under Sousa, but surely one of the most boring, and there was a overwhelming sense of relief when Leicester came in for him, I await with baited breath the contradictions |
Yes it was boring quite a lot of the time. Much like last season except different division.
Truth is Sousa brought something to the table. And don't get me wrong I was happy when he left. Still am, otherwise we couldn't have got Rogers.
If you can't recogise that then you know nothing to very little about the beautiful game! | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:36 - Jan 15 with 1245 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:01 - Jan 15 by QuakerJack |
I think that's the key... particularly with Laudrup... Jenkins was happy to comply because Monk provided him with the perfect opportunity to get more involved without upsetting the man in the hot seat.
You can see why one of Laudrup's first acts was to try and offload him (and Tate). |
Yes I remember that. There was a bit of an outcry and I remember those around me at the Liberty were saying then that monk was being groomed, and rightly so. I wasn't convinced.
But, that's in the past now... Thnankfully. | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:40 - Jan 15 with 1240 views | raynor94 |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:32 - Jan 15 by costalotta |
Yes it was boring quite a lot of the time. Much like last season except different division.
Truth is Sousa brought something to the table. And don't get me wrong I was happy when he left. Still am, otherwise we couldn't have got Rogers.
If you can't recogise that then you know nothing to very little about the beautiful game! |
Of course he brought something to the table, defensive solidity and hard to beat, but that was a far from happy squad under him, not only Monk, Huw couldn't believe his luck when Leicester called | |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:46 - Jan 15 with 1228 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:40 - Jan 15 by raynor94 |
Of course he brought something to the table, defensive solidity and hard to beat, but that was a far from happy squad under him, not only Monk, Huw couldn't believe his luck when Leicester called |
Which at the time was exactly what we needed...therefore when considered against his objective he was a massive success. Even if the football was boring. But there again he painted the picture with the canvas and oils given by the board. | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:50 - Jan 15 with 1214 views | Dr_Winston |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:40 - Jan 15 by raynor94 |
Of course he brought something to the table, defensive solidity and hard to beat, but that was a far from happy squad under him, not only Monk, Huw couldn't believe his luck when Leicester called |
Odd how Huw seems to have the most trouble dealing with managers who have strong personalities and reputations within the game to match. | |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:56 - Jan 15 with 1204 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:50 - Jan 15 by Dr_Winston |
Odd how Huw seems to have the most trouble dealing with managers who have strong personalities and reputations within the game to match. |
Yes it is. You'd think he'd have more confidence. Instead he must come across ans an interfering chairman. that will get around and perhaps it's that that is making harder to get the manager are we need and want. I think most fans would not want him interfering with the team. Yes he can be involved in overall strategy etc etc. he runs the club but it shouldn't be him drawing up lists of players and having the veto. That should belong to the manager.nhe needs to hand that baton to a suitably qualified person.
Here's a question. Have the board grown in line with the growth of the club. I mean in knowing the job as it were? [Post edited 15 Jan 2016 12:57]
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:59 - Jan 15 with 1191 views | awayjack |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:56 - Jan 15 by costalotta |
Yes it is. You'd think he'd have more confidence. Instead he must come across ans an interfering chairman. that will get around and perhaps it's that that is making harder to get the manager are we need and want. I think most fans would not want him interfering with the team. Yes he can be involved in overall strategy etc etc. he runs the club but it shouldn't be him drawing up lists of players and having the veto. That should belong to the manager.nhe needs to hand that baton to a suitably qualified person.
Here's a question. Have the board grown in line with the growth of the club. I mean in knowing the job as it were? [Post edited 15 Jan 2016 12:57]
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Maybe that's why HJ is keeping the seat for BR to come back. Knows he can work with him where the South American guys we spoke with would be more demanding. |  | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:00 - Jan 15 with 1191 views | Watchman |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 10:46 - Jan 14 by caerleon_jack |
Do you seriously believe people want us to fail because we dont like a man weve never met?
Some on here do, yes.
Do you genuinely believe that appointing Curt to keep us up was another HJ masterstroke?! Or that appointing Monk was genius?!
Masterstroke? No. Do I understand why he appointed Curt? Yes. As far as Monk is concerned, I wasn't convinced when he was appointed. Last season showed that actually, he has the makings of a good manager. Something happened behind the scenes this season, and Monk lost control. Does that mean he was the wrong choice from the start? No.
And please dont bring up Petty and "I remember playing Rushden and Diamonds" and all that because it was 15 years ago and it's getting tiring.
No one did, until you. |
well have a word with the club then mate who again this morning mate spammed twitter with a pic of the table of 2003 when we were 4 pts adrift telling us to believe and things have been worse ......
2003 blah blah blah, there are individuals on and off the pitch who are millionaires from the club. It is now 2016 and they are highly rewarded for their efforts! About time we saw some rewards because the last 18 months has seen a series of catastrophic errors of judgement that belie the salaries being dished out |  |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:54 - Jan 15 with 1139 views | perchrockjack |
People do not want us to fail.
It's how some perceive criticism.
We re certainly worthy of approbrium right now and questions are asked.
Don't like it, don't read this site.
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 14:03 - Jan 15 with 1127 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:59 - Jan 15 by awayjack |
Maybe that's why HJ is keeping the seat for BR to come back. Knows he can work with him where the South American guys we spoke with would be more demanding. |
But that sounds like Jenkins is making that about him? | | | |
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