| Jeremy C 18:22 - Aug 14 with 8604 views | 1BobbyHazell |
Come on my son.
The Establishment have wheeled out Blair and Brown in a desperate bid to derail him, even the Guardian is packing its pages with writers warning of the dangers of electing him. You know The Powerful are concerned. Good. If he wins I pledge to vote for the first time in my life. |  | | |  |
| Jeremy C on 18:34 - Aug 14 with 5086 views | FDC |
Do you follow Novara Media on youtube 1BH? The opinion piece video on the media response from yesterday on this is quite entertaining, and on the Labour Right. They did an excellent interview with Corbyn a couple of weeks back too. Interesting to see him interviewed from the left of his own position. I think it shows him up in many respects actually, with regards his lack of policy on a number of issues, not least how one implements a socially democratic economic policy within globalised neoliberalism. I've still paid my £3 entryist fee though ;) [Post edited 14 Aug 2015 18:36]
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| Jeremy C on 18:46 - Aug 14 with 5034 views | derbyhoop |
I would argue that one of the main reasons Labour lost the election is that people did not believe they would be financially responsible. So Corbyn proposes expensive commitments without specifying how they will be paid for. It reminds me of the Michael Foot era. And would, almost certainly, produce similar results. |  |
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| Jeremy C on 18:49 - Aug 14 with 4859 views | connell10 |
The torys are funding his campaign i heard! |  |
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| Jeremy C on 18:57 - Aug 14 with 4828 views | GetMeRangers |
If he becomes leader and if that results in a Labour party that the country does not think is fit to govern, it will be bad news for the country. Governments need strong oppositions to keep them in check. Conservative voters who have signed up to vote for JC and disrupt the election are extremely short sighted
However, I dont see much hope for any of the candidates. The ones who would have been a threat to the conservatives stood down early from the leadership race. It is bad news Labour are such a shambles |  | | |
| Jeremy C on 19:04 - Aug 14 with 4807 views | johncharles |
Ironic to see the Labour front bench ganging up on a socialist. |  |
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| Jeremy C on 19:05 - Aug 14 with 4800 views | FDC |
But the reality is that he's not actually that left wing, and represents a fairly centrist position relative to the majority of people with regards most issues - it's his opponents in the Labour party and the media that paint him as some kind of loony stalinist, and that he remains popular is interesting with regards the potency of social media and the impotence of the Blairites.
I'm no labour party supporter by the way, but I'm interested in how a populist movement around Corbyn can shift the mainstream narrative. Whether he can ultimately win the leadership contest, survive as leader, or much less win an election is obviously extremely debatable | | | |
| Jeremy C on 19:10 - Aug 14 with 4761 views | johncharles |
Even more ironic to hear the Labour front bench saying they'll never win the next election with Corbyn as leader. How did you do in the last one Yvette, Liz and Andy ? Ask your old man Yvette. | |
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| Jeremy C on 19:10 - Aug 14 with 4741 views | essextaxiboy |
Foot , Kinnock , Milliband and now Corbyn ... when will they get it ?
It doesnt work ,
We need an opposition , thats how a government works .
Rangers will win the CL before Labour get in again ... IMO |  | | |
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| Jeremy C on 19:14 - Aug 14 with 4729 views | johncharles |
| Jeremy C on 19:10 - Aug 14 by essextaxiboy |
Foot , Kinnock , Milliband and now Corbyn ... when will they get it ?
It doesnt work ,
We need an opposition , thats how a government works .
Rangers will win the CL before Labour get in again ... IMO |
What's it to you ? Looks like everyone got his stick stirring the porridge. | |
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| Jeremy C on 19:26 - Aug 14 with 4680 views | izlingtonhoop |
| Jeremy C on 19:10 - Aug 14 by essextaxiboy |
Foot , Kinnock , Milliband and now Corbyn ... when will they get it ?
It doesnt work ,
We need an opposition , thats how a government works .
Rangers will win the CL before Labour get in again ... IMO |
The point is, a Labour party led by a principled socialist will provide a stronger opposition, with a clear alternative than the ToryLite nonsense peddled by the other candidates in the vain hope of winning the next election, by being like the Tories but not being the Tories.
Opposition implies difference. |  | | |
| Jeremy C on 19:38 - Aug 14 with 4622 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Jeremy C on 19:26 - Aug 14 by izlingtonhoop |
The point is, a Labour party led by a principled socialist will provide a stronger opposition, with a clear alternative than the ToryLite nonsense peddled by the other candidates in the vain hope of winning the next election, by being like the Tories but not being the Tories.
Opposition implies difference. |
Yep
I hope he wins and gets rid of the lot of them, Blair (you know the war criminal) not wanting him tells me all I need to know. [Post edited 14 Aug 2015 19:41]
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| Jeremy C on 19:40 - Aug 14 with 4612 views | GetMeRangers |
| Jeremy C on 19:26 - Aug 14 by izlingtonhoop |
The point is, a Labour party led by a principled socialist will provide a stronger opposition, with a clear alternative than the ToryLite nonsense peddled by the other candidates in the vain hope of winning the next election, by being like the Tories but not being the Tories.
Opposition implies difference. |
An opposition has to be credible, too. The Greens are in opposition, but they are not credible, will not gain power or even enough support to be effective as an opposition.
The leader that Labour chooses is important not just for this parliament, but for the next. Whether traditional labour supporters like it or not, the party in power will be the one that wins the middle ground. If Labour swing to the left, then the Conservatives will swing further to the right. As a conservative (small c), it is not something I want to see. The labour party could capture the centre ground by offering alternatives that dont need to be unacceptable or unrealistic in their implementation. | | | |
| Jeremy C on 19:53 - Aug 14 with 4566 views | izlingtonhoop |
| Jeremy C on 19:40 - Aug 14 by GetMeRangers |
An opposition has to be credible, too. The Greens are in opposition, but they are not credible, will not gain power or even enough support to be effective as an opposition.
The leader that Labour chooses is important not just for this parliament, but for the next. Whether traditional labour supporters like it or not, the party in power will be the one that wins the middle ground. If Labour swing to the left, then the Conservatives will swing further to the right. As a conservative (small c), it is not something I want to see. The labour party could capture the centre ground by offering alternatives that dont need to be unacceptable or unrealistic in their implementation. |
They need to be credible as an opposition, not as the next government.
Traditional Labour supporters like what they see with JC, and find the alternatives offered credible. Let another party suck up to the middle ground, call it, I don't know, New Labour? I'm looking forward to the possibility of a return to a Labour Party for me to vote for, and more fully mean it.
That's what you small c and Conservatives don't get, it's not meant for you, it's not for you to see it as 'credible' or otherwise, it's something that many hundreds of thousands of people want, a voice that says what they feel, fully, without cow-towing to middle England simply to gain power of Government. | | | |
| Jeremy C on 19:58 - Aug 14 with 4544 views | PlanetHonneywood |
First off, never voted Labour and stopped voting altogether since 1992. However, what ever your preference, you don't get good government unless you have good opposition and frankly, of the four on offer, JC is bar far the most impressive.
I like Corbyn possibly more than his politics, but I like someone who when asked a simple enough question, can answer the bloody thing. Watch this clip from LBC and see how Corbyn gives a straight answer...quite shocking for a politician!
I am not sure who or what Liz Kendall is, but useless springs to mind. Cooper, similarly impresses me as Kendall and Burnham is a bit too Dave/Tony for my liking.
http://www.lbc.co.uk/three-refuse-to-answer-if-ed-would-be-in-cabinet-113370 |  |
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| Jeremy C on 20:02 - Aug 14 with 4521 views | FDC |
| Jeremy C on 19:40 - Aug 14 by GetMeRangers |
An opposition has to be credible, too. The Greens are in opposition, but they are not credible, will not gain power or even enough support to be effective as an opposition.
The leader that Labour chooses is important not just for this parliament, but for the next. Whether traditional labour supporters like it or not, the party in power will be the one that wins the middle ground. If Labour swing to the left, then the Conservatives will swing further to the right. As a conservative (small c), it is not something I want to see. The labour party could capture the centre ground by offering alternatives that dont need to be unacceptable or unrealistic in their implementation. |
Truthfully, if you want to talk credibility, the last hustings from Warrington is on youtube: watch an hour of the four candidates answer questions on a variety of topics, Corbyn has so much more credibility than then others when actually talking about issues, rather than being painted by media hacks
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| Jeremy C on 20:20 - Aug 14 with 4456 views | ganjR |
He is too good for this current Labour Party.
Best and most honest politician and that's being proven by the fact that every crooked and crap politician are spending all their time slagging him off. Saw him talk in Edinburgh today and he was inspiring.
It's sad yet predictable that Labour will rig the election against him.
He is too good for them.
As for the Michael Foot comparison? Please. |  | | |
| Jeremy C on 20:28 - Aug 14 with 4420 views | GetMeRangers |
| Jeremy C on 19:53 - Aug 14 by izlingtonhoop |
They need to be credible as an opposition, not as the next government.
Traditional Labour supporters like what they see with JC, and find the alternatives offered credible. Let another party suck up to the middle ground, call it, I don't know, New Labour? I'm looking forward to the possibility of a return to a Labour Party for me to vote for, and more fully mean it.
That's what you small c and Conservatives don't get, it's not meant for you, it's not for you to see it as 'credible' or otherwise, it's something that many hundreds of thousands of people want, a voice that says what they feel, fully, without cow-towing to middle England simply to gain power of Government. |
I now see, that it is more important to have a voice that represents your views. I guess my fear is that you have two parties becoming more extreme, whereas two main parties fighting over a middle ground leads to better government, which is what I prefer.
I used 'if' in my first reply as I have not followed this closely and been more lead by what I have heard or read in the press. One thing I do admire about JC is that he is a principled politician, even if he represents views different from my own. For that part he would be a breath of fresh air, which why perhaps the SNP did so well in Scotland. Without a strong opposition, there will be a temptation, as already seen, for the Conservatives to crack down on Welfare. The support for a JC led labour party maybe more than is expected in 4 years time.
While I may find amusing that the labour party is tearing itself apart, I do believe that it is important that a strong party emerges from this. The question is how long will it take | | | |
| Jeremy C on 21:13 - Aug 14 with 4323 views | carlh5266 |
Scargill
Hatton Galloway Crowe McCluskey
Corbyn
Salmond Livingston
Abbott
Skinner Watson
The Corbyn dream 442 |  | | |
| Jeremy C on 22:10 - Aug 14 with 4191 views | ElHoop |
| Jeremy C on 20:28 - Aug 14 by GetMeRangers |
I now see, that it is more important to have a voice that represents your views. I guess my fear is that you have two parties becoming more extreme, whereas two main parties fighting over a middle ground leads to better government, which is what I prefer.
I used 'if' in my first reply as I have not followed this closely and been more lead by what I have heard or read in the press. One thing I do admire about JC is that he is a principled politician, even if he represents views different from my own. For that part he would be a breath of fresh air, which why perhaps the SNP did so well in Scotland. Without a strong opposition, there will be a temptation, as already seen, for the Conservatives to crack down on Welfare. The support for a JC led labour party maybe more than is expected in 4 years time.
While I may find amusing that the labour party is tearing itself apart, I do believe that it is important that a strong party emerges from this. The question is how long will it take |
I think that the two parties need to become more extreme. For me the best government is when one party compensates for the other on a regular basis. At the moment there's not much difference between the two largest parties, but that could finally change now. |  | | |
| Jeremy C on 23:26 - Aug 14 with 4060 views | LythamR |
Not much point having an alternative that is really just a tory lite alternative
Labour should and i hope will chose the one candidate that may lead labour down a different road rather than just the left hand lane of the same road to hell that we are currently speeding along
Whether the country as a whole would now ever choose such an option until society breaks down completely is doubtful, too much short sighted looking after no 1 |  | | |
| Jeremy C on 23:52 - Aug 14 with 4026 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Saddest thing for me is that being left has been tarred and feathered as being a bad thing even by so called Labour members, but we are not talking about far left communism, or Scargill but back to true Labour values, something I think anyone under 50 or even 60 would not know much about.
We have had to put up with New Labour AKA Conservatives in red ties
While Labour in the 70's did go to far to the left, that can't and won't happen now, but Labour really does have to move to the left, the conservative as racing towards the right.
The wealth divide is ever growing, someone or party needs to stand and fight, you won't get that from the other candidates. [Post edited 14 Aug 2015 23:56]
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| Jeremy C on 23:54 - Aug 14 with 4016 views | Northernr |
I think it's fairly clear they wouldn't win a general election with him in charge, for the reason Derby says - people say they fcked up the economy before and don't trust them with it as it is even before some of his nutty plans for it.
But the reaction in the media is really amazing. It's not like there's some sparkling other candidate is there? Prime Minister Yvette Cooper? FFS. |  | | |
| Jeremy C on 23:58 - Aug 14 with 4001 views | exiled_dictator |
look through history to see famous people with the initials jc, then ask yourself where corbyn is on the list:
jesus christ
julius caesar
john carew
joan collins
jackie chan
james cameron
jimmy carr
jasper carrott
johnny cash
julian clarey
all famous people with jc as their initials
all have contributed massively to the world as we know it
surely, it's time for jeremy corbyn
jim carrey doesn't count because he is not funny |  |
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| Jeremy C on 00:10 - Aug 15 with 3974 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Julius Caesar, loved by the people, stabbed to death by the politicians who feared him and for their own gain, hmm. [Post edited 15 Aug 2015 0:10]
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