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From a solid home crowd of 3,000+ home supporters what has exactly gone wrong a home crowd is suppose to improve on success not drop or even half by that figure something has seriously gone wrong. Even more the lack of promotional gimmicks throughout last few seasons. People blame Manchester City gaining success at the same time but this can't be the reason. The home crowd at this moment should of increased to 4,000+ even with Manchester City around maybe Spotland is getting too expensive for normal people
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If the club want me they know where i am I'd gladly offer my services FOC whatever job. We all know they in to buy the ground therefore when that money vanishes we'll be back to square one (2007/2008)
Seriously, you expect jobs to come to you, in today's economy? Wow, no wonder your spending your days on the dole, you'll be spending a lot more time on it with an attitude like that.
Yeah i would do it free of charge and whats with all these mark's down bit childish we aren't in primary school if a problem needs to be aired or something is going wrong it needs to be made public knowledge feedback isn't always a bad thing but maybe it's better coming from one of you elite clique lot (super-fans)
Mark downs represent what I think of what you had to say. I don't have a clique or any super fans, just a bunch of like-minded people who think you are a waste of oxygen on this planet.
You have proved beyond doubt that for all your problems, which I don't doubt are hard to deal with, you are not in the slightest bit interested or motivated to do anything. You have an easy life living on handouts paid for by hard working tax payers.
Statements like the one you made where the club should come knocking on your door highlight you as a perfect example of the lazy, benefits taking dead-legs that drag the country and humanity down. Take take take, that's you and your deadbeat kind in a nutshell.
As far as I am concerned, you are a drain on the resources of this planet. At least ISIS and the radical muslims are doing something they believe in, however misguided it may be, they are showing some bloody drive!
Answer my question regarding what happened in the Czech Republic here allegedly.
Mark downs represent what I think of what you had to say. I don't have a clique or any super fans, just a bunch of like-minded people who think you are a waste of oxygen on this planet.
You have proved beyond doubt that for all your problems, which I don't doubt are hard to deal with, you are not in the slightest bit interested or motivated to do anything. You have an easy life living on handouts paid for by hard working tax payers.
Statements like the one you made where the club should come knocking on your door highlight you as a perfect example of the lazy, benefits taking dead-legs that drag the country and humanity down. Take take take, that's you and your deadbeat kind in a nutshell.
As far as I am concerned, you are a drain on the resources of this planet. At least ISIS and the radical muslims are doing something they believe in, however misguided it may be, they are showing some bloody drive!
Answer my question regarding what happened in the Czech Republic here allegedly.
I agree. it's got to the point where I'm not prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt any more - it's one benefit too many.
Tazzy, you've stretched the sympathy of most of us too far. You know you're not capable of holding down a job, so stop pretending you are. A bit of self-honesty from you is the only thing that can turn it around as far as I'm concerned.
Going down to the club to get that Goldbond round might help, but you're clearly shitting yourself at the thought of having to commit yourself to even the slightest trouble to EARN something, rather than having it given you.
It's even more depressing when you hear the club many years ago, did go to him offering him the round covering the area where he lives, but he still turned it down.
It's even more depressing when you hear the club many years ago, did go to him offering him the round covering the area where he lives, but he still turned it down.
Wouldn't surprise me.
When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?
Good point - just wondering if some are judging without knowing?
I'm guessing they do know, otherwise they wouldn't be so forthright in their views.
He (Mark) reminds me of a lad I know who has autism. Displays a lot of the symptoms in his posts on here, especially the complete ignorance of suggestions or questions etc. My apologies to Mark if I'm wrong, but it would explain a lot.
As others have already said, the lad could solve the issues he's moaning about with a little bit of effort. Well done to those offering help, I'd rather see that than a load of abuse aimed at him.
I could give a fair few reasons which would differ from the notion that loads of employers would be only too happy to give him a job. There are thousands of unemployed people in this town who would have a far better chance than Tazzy of passing a interview process, so that just one obstacle. Trying to understand his posts is a work of art, picking out key words is how I try to fathom them, that's another obstacle. His posts leave him wide open and give people bullets to shoot him with.......that shows his thought process is all over the place
It's probably just me,but some of these posts regarding Tazzy are getting a bit uncomfortable to read and it's bordering on line bullying however much people dislike to hear that. Its pretty obvious to me why Tazzy is struggling to find work, apart from his health issues which I am sure he doesn't want to discuss on a forum.
People on here give Tazzy good advice and they genuinlely do want to help him, the fact he doesn't take that advice causes frustration which then fuels personal and derogatory posts. Life's not black and white for some people and what's 'normal' to us is not achievable for others.
He will never be cut any slack because he is viewed as a benefit scrounger, swanning off to the Czech Republic doesn't help. I get hammered in tax, but Tazzy isn't the type that bothers me,it's the ones with all the tools at their disposal who I dislike. Tazzy doesn't possess all the tools and I am sure he is aware of that. In a nutshell I feel sorry for the lad,but that's just me.
I could give a fair few reasons which would differ from the notion that loads of employers would be only too happy to give him a job. There are thousands of unemployed people in this town who would have a far better chance than Tazzy of passing a interview process, so that just one obstacle. Trying to understand his posts is a work of art, picking out key words is how I try to fathom them, that's another obstacle. His posts leave him wide open and give people bullets to shoot him with.......that shows his thought process is all over the place
It's probably just me,but some of these posts regarding Tazzy are getting a bit uncomfortable to read and it's bordering on line bullying however much people dislike to hear that. Its pretty obvious to me why Tazzy is struggling to find work, apart from his health issues which I am sure he doesn't want to discuss on a forum.
People on here give Tazzy good advice and they genuinlely do want to help him, the fact he doesn't take that advice causes frustration which then fuels personal and derogatory posts. Life's not black and white for some people and what's 'normal' to us is not achievable for others.
He will never be cut any slack because he is viewed as a benefit scrounger, swanning off to the Czech Republic doesn't help. I get hammered in tax, but Tazzy isn't the type that bothers me,it's the ones with all the tools at their disposal who I dislike. Tazzy doesn't possess all the tools and I am sure he is aware of that. In a nutshell I feel sorry for the lad,but that's just me.
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It is just you. If Tazzy had health or disability issues he wouldn't be claiming Universal Credit; he would be on ESA. Claimants with disabilities are allocated specialist advisers who provide supportive work placements and classes suitable to their needs. They don't need to seek work for 35hrs a week as a result as they are deemed 'not fit to'.
Tazzy 'seeks' work for 35hrs a week. I'm sure you can work this out.
I could give a fair few reasons which would differ from the notion that loads of employers would be only too happy to give him a job. There are thousands of unemployed people in this town who would have a far better chance than Tazzy of passing a interview process, so that just one obstacle. Trying to understand his posts is a work of art, picking out key words is how I try to fathom them, that's another obstacle. His posts leave him wide open and give people bullets to shoot him with.......that shows his thought process is all over the place
It's probably just me,but some of these posts regarding Tazzy are getting a bit uncomfortable to read and it's bordering on line bullying however much people dislike to hear that. Its pretty obvious to me why Tazzy is struggling to find work, apart from his health issues which I am sure he doesn't want to discuss on a forum.
People on here give Tazzy good advice and they genuinlely do want to help him, the fact he doesn't take that advice causes frustration which then fuels personal and derogatory posts. Life's not black and white for some people and what's 'normal' to us is not achievable for others.
He will never be cut any slack because he is viewed as a benefit scrounger, swanning off to the Czech Republic doesn't help. I get hammered in tax, but Tazzy isn't the type that bothers me,it's the ones with all the tools at their disposal who I dislike. Tazzy doesn't possess all the tools and I am sure he is aware of that. In a nutshell I feel sorry for the lad,but that's just me.
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Very good and fair post imho.
I don't know him from Adam, but it does feel like piling on sometimes when everyone has a go at him. I fully understand why it happens - Tazzy is a red flag to a bull and walks round with a target on his back after making a lot of his inflammatory comments. I suspect he often doesn't realise how much of a wind-up merchant he can be (unless he has a very big masochistic streak).
I read EllGazell's excellent post the other night about his struggles and his extremely strong mental attitude and it was an inspiring story. He is very lucky to have that level of fortitude with which to battle his issues. I also suspect though, as you say, that not everyone has the same tools at their disposal.
My gut feeling is that Tazzy would benefit from some sort of mentoring? But like I said, I know nothing about the lad and I think it is pretty unfair of anyone who doesn't know him to be judgemental about him. I just wish he wouldn't keep poking the bear though. As TVOS said, the whole story is a bit like groundhog day. It's pretty sad really and all the goodwill directed at him seems to have been interpreted as attacks. Pity that none of these suggestions has been a solution and I'm not sure there is a solution. One thing is for sure, keep kicking the lad (as some of the personal and derogatory comments have been interpreted) whilst he's down isn't the answer. Don't get me wrong, I pay plenty of taxes and some of his comments wind me up too. Tazzy needs some kind of help, but this forum (despite the best intentions of many who have tried) isn't the help he needs. I hope he somehow finds what he needs.
I could give a fair few reasons which would differ from the notion that loads of employers would be only too happy to give him a job. There are thousands of unemployed people in this town who would have a far better chance than Tazzy of passing a interview process, so that just one obstacle. Trying to understand his posts is a work of art, picking out key words is how I try to fathom them, that's another obstacle. His posts leave him wide open and give people bullets to shoot him with.......that shows his thought process is all over the place
It's probably just me,but some of these posts regarding Tazzy are getting a bit uncomfortable to read and it's bordering on line bullying however much people dislike to hear that. Its pretty obvious to me why Tazzy is struggling to find work, apart from his health issues which I am sure he doesn't want to discuss on a forum.
People on here give Tazzy good advice and they genuinlely do want to help him, the fact he doesn't take that advice causes frustration which then fuels personal and derogatory posts. Life's not black and white for some people and what's 'normal' to us is not achievable for others.
He will never be cut any slack because he is viewed as a benefit scrounger, swanning off to the Czech Republic doesn't help. I get hammered in tax, but Tazzy isn't the type that bothers me,it's the ones with all the tools at their disposal who I dislike. Tazzy doesn't possess all the tools and I am sure he is aware of that. In a nutshell I feel sorry for the lad,but that's just me.
[Post edited 30 Jul 2015 22:02]
This business about bullying doesn't wash anymore though TS. It used to happen, no doubt about it, and tazzy took a rest from the messageboard for a while.
When he returned, he was warmly welcomed back and in the main people have bent over backwards to accommodate him, whilst pretty well understanding what holds him back in life.
If he's not able or inclined - for whatever reason - to take up gainful employment, so be it and I also don't begrudge our welfare system making provision for him. When he rubbishes the system that supports him and allows him some dignity, all people have tried to do is point out that biting the hand that feeds him isn't such a great idea. We're then accused of being terrorists, or whatever.
Yes, that kind of reaction is just another indication of his inability to grasp some of the basics of the real world, but that's all we're trying to do - point him in that direction. There's no bullying involved, and you've no need to feel uncomfortable. Why? Because if any actual bullying were to occur, many of us would be the first to clamp down on it.
This business about bullying doesn't wash anymore though TS. It used to happen, no doubt about it, and tazzy took a rest from the messageboard for a while.
When he returned, he was warmly welcomed back and in the main people have bent over backwards to accommodate him, whilst pretty well understanding what holds him back in life.
If he's not able or inclined - for whatever reason - to take up gainful employment, so be it and I also don't begrudge our welfare system making provision for him. When he rubbishes the system that supports him and allows him some dignity, all people have tried to do is point out that biting the hand that feeds him isn't such a great idea. We're then accused of being terrorists, or whatever.
Yes, that kind of reaction is just another indication of his inability to grasp some of the basics of the real world, but that's all we're trying to do - point him in that direction. There's no bullying involved, and you've no need to feel uncomfortable. Why? Because if any actual bullying were to occur, many of us would be the first to clamp down on it.
[Post edited 30 Jul 2015 22:53]
Fair comments - as a relative newcomer, I wasn't aware of all the history. It's often said that you can only help those who want to help themselves. That sounds like the bottom line.
I could give a fair few reasons which would differ from the notion that loads of employers would be only too happy to give him a job. There are thousands of unemployed people in this town who would have a far better chance than Tazzy of passing a interview process, so that just one obstacle. Trying to understand his posts is a work of art, picking out key words is how I try to fathom them, that's another obstacle. His posts leave him wide open and give people bullets to shoot him with.......that shows his thought process is all over the place
It's probably just me,but some of these posts regarding Tazzy are getting a bit uncomfortable to read and it's bordering on line bullying however much people dislike to hear that. Its pretty obvious to me why Tazzy is struggling to find work, apart from his health issues which I am sure he doesn't want to discuss on a forum.
People on here give Tazzy good advice and they genuinlely do want to help him, the fact he doesn't take that advice causes frustration which then fuels personal and derogatory posts. Life's not black and white for some people and what's 'normal' to us is not achievable for others.
He will never be cut any slack because he is viewed as a benefit scrounger, swanning off to the Czech Republic doesn't help. I get hammered in tax, but Tazzy isn't the type that bothers me,it's the ones with all the tools at their disposal who I dislike. Tazzy doesn't possess all the tools and I am sure he is aware of that. In a nutshell I feel sorry for the lad,but that's just me.
[Post edited 30 Jul 2015 22:02]
Well said, I feel the same. And I also feel quite uncomfortable discussing someone most of us don't know on a public forum.
Tazzy does not want to work, he would sooner moan about others.
Its a crock of crap that he constantly spouts, he has had so many offers of support but he says it will infringe on his life plan or utter guff.
I don't know the guy personally, he clearly is limited, but I am sure he knows the system inside out. He has had 5/6 ppl offering him a job/helping - but that would involve getting off his arse
TBH he is getting near Chalky in the feck off stakes
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It is just you. If Tazzy had health or disability issues he wouldn't be claiming Universal Credit; he would be on ESA. Claimants with disabilities are allocated specialist advisers who provide supportive work placements and classes suitable to their needs. They don't need to seek work for 35hrs a week as a result as they are deemed 'not fit to'.
Tazzy 'seeks' work for 35hrs a week. I'm sure you can work this out.
I can work things out just by spending 5 minutes in Tazzys company, the same way any potential employer would be able to do , you don't have to be Einstein to see that. Others on this forum are in reciept of benefits but I don't see them being subjected to the scrutiny that Tazzy is. How he chooses to spend his money is up to him, others on benefits receive fancy cars etc and go on holiday, drink and smoke.
There will always be a percentage of people who will always be disadvantaged when it comes to holding down a permanent job and I think Tazzy falls into that category. Ridiculing these types of people on a public forum isn't clever, even more so when that person can't avoid providing the ammunition ( via his posts ).
Tazzy would be disadvantaged if it came down to a job interview bearing in mind he would be getting no support as you have just pointed out ( You obviously know his background and the benefits he receives).
To suggest he would be on a level playing field regarding interviews/ filling in job applications etc is not correct and you you know it, or you should do. He wouldn't be capable of competing without professional support, maybe that's what's holding him back. It's dead easy to categorise people and put them in a little box but everything's not always black and white. Often knowing a persons history can help to put things into perspective before judging someone, I am sure you can work that out though.
I can work things out just by spending 5 minutes in Tazzys company, the same way any potential employer would be able to do , you don't have to be Einstein to see that. Others on this forum are in reciept of benefits but I don't see them being subjected to the scrutiny that Tazzy is. How he chooses to spend his money is up to him, others on benefits receive fancy cars etc and go on holiday, drink and smoke.
There will always be a percentage of people who will always be disadvantaged when it comes to holding down a permanent job and I think Tazzy falls into that category. Ridiculing these types of people on a public forum isn't clever, even more so when that person can't avoid providing the ammunition ( via his posts ).
Tazzy would be disadvantaged if it came down to a job interview bearing in mind he would be getting no support as you have just pointed out ( You obviously know his background and the benefits he receives).
To suggest he would be on a level playing field regarding interviews/ filling in job applications etc is not correct and you you know it, or you should do. He wouldn't be capable of competing without professional support, maybe that's what's holding him back. It's dead easy to categorise people and put them in a little box but everything's not always black and white. Often knowing a persons history can help to put things into perspective before judging someone, I am sure you can work that out though.
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I agree with most of the things you say. More should be done to help people apply for jobs etc. when they need it.
The challenge here is that, Tazzy has been offered a means to get a job, Goldbond round etc, without any pre-qualification - so the interview hindrances don't really apply.
I think a lot of people, myself included, have posted responses to Tazzy in the same way they would to anyone else that posts factually incorrect / vitriolic / judgemental things that he posts.
It's somewhat partronising to say that someone should have differential treatment just because they have a disability. The aim of many initiatives for disabled people is to enable them to live a life as close to any able-bodied person, as possible. Tazzy appears to have benefitted from this (trips to Czech; coming to Dale etc.) and those barriers removed. Which is great. People want to help him remove more of those barriers - i.e. he can't currently get a job, so do a goldbond round, therefore getting cheaper season ticket (which he could more easily afford) and using skills he knows he has e.g. talking to people about the club. Tazzy has taken a somewhat negative stance towards this, which in turn has frustrated people.
I agree with most of the things you say. More should be done to help people apply for jobs etc. when they need it.
The challenge here is that, Tazzy has been offered a means to get a job, Goldbond round etc, without any pre-qualification - so the interview hindrances don't really apply.
I think a lot of people, myself included, have posted responses to Tazzy in the same way they would to anyone else that posts factually incorrect / vitriolic / judgemental things that he posts.
It's somewhat partronising to say that someone should have differential treatment just because they have a disability. The aim of many initiatives for disabled people is to enable them to live a life as close to any able-bodied person, as possible. Tazzy appears to have benefitted from this (trips to Czech; coming to Dale etc.) and those barriers removed. Which is great. People want to help him remove more of those barriers - i.e. he can't currently get a job, so do a goldbond round, therefore getting cheaper season ticket (which he could more easily afford) and using skills he knows he has e.g. talking to people about the club. Tazzy has taken a somewhat negative stance towards this, which in turn has frustrated people.
Perhaps he doesn't want to do a goldbond round though, the overwhelming majority of Dale fans don't want to do one and it's a easy way to fund a season ticket.
Plenty of people have given him advice about jobs but it's pretty apparent to me that holding a job down for the lad, even if he gets one, will be difficult. Once people accept that he thinks differently to most of us, and his posts are a great example of that, it's quite easy to see why he is unemployed.
At 10 am this morning there's a pub in Rochdale that houses plenty of unemployed people both sound in mind and body,they use the pub like a crèche and the young girls churn kids out on a annual basis. Those are the ones that should be targeted first and the biggest drain on the welfare system. They would have a better chance of gaining employment than Tazzy.
I can understand why Tazzy struggles to find a job and even more so the problem he will have in actually keeping that job. Community based work in order to receive benefits would be something that would benefit Tazzy(and those in the pub), it would give him some structure to his life, but that's a different discussion.
Could you possibly define the use of the word "Normal " in your original post please, Tazbot?
Yes, I could talk about ' Normal' in relation to Tazzy but I don't think it's fair to be discussing things of a personal nature on the forum. I have tried to imply things in my post but obviously you want it in more graphic detail. Disagreeing with my posts and my impressions of Tazzy isn't a problem, in facts it's expected.
Perhaps he doesn't want to do a goldbond round though, the overwhelming majority of Dale fans don't want to do one and it's a easy way to fund a season ticket.
Plenty of people have given him advice about jobs but it's pretty apparent to me that holding a job down for the lad, even if he gets one, will be difficult. Once people accept that he thinks differently to most of us, and his posts are a great example of that, it's quite easy to see why he is unemployed.
At 10 am this morning there's a pub in Rochdale that houses plenty of unemployed people both sound in mind and body,they use the pub like a crèche and the young girls churn kids out on a annual basis. Those are the ones that should be targeted first and the biggest drain on the welfare system. They would have a better chance of gaining employment than Tazzy.
I can understand why Tazzy struggles to find a job and even more so the problem he will have in actually keeping that job. Community based work in order to receive benefits would be something that would benefit Tazzy(and those in the pub), it would give him some structure to his life, but that's a different discussion.
"Perhaps he doesn't want to do a goldbond round though, the overwhelming majority of Dale fans don't want to do one and it's a easy way to fund a season ticket."
The option is there and for the minimum amount of work imaginable, he can have a season ticket. That is the genuine suggestion to overcome him not being able to afford one. For him to not want to after that is fine, but he can't then continue to moan that he's being priced out of watching his club because it's not actually true.
I've been priced out of watching Rochdale as well, so I do Goldbond rounds, like loads of other people. Therefore I won't moan about our prices going up.
Also, for him to come out and say "the club know where I am...", well he can stick all this where the sun doesn't shine.
If I hadn't seen such riches, I could live with being poor
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