| Question Time 23:12 - Dec 11 with 11357 views | reddythered |
Absolutely hysterical.
Russell Brand being made to look a grade A fool; one of his acolytes in the crowd interrupting, making accusations. Even a UKIP supporter made him look like a 6th form student. |  |
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| Question Time on 19:18 - Dec 12 with 1475 views | Lohengrin |
| Question Time on 19:17 - Dec 12 by Darran |
And do the dishes too.  |
Boom! Boom! as the fox said. |  |
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| Question Time on 19:19 - Dec 12 with 1475 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Question Time on 19:01 - Dec 12 by londonlisa2001 |
not remotely ashamed of any political leaning. But I'm not a Tory either.
I have voted Labour more often than anything else, voted Lib Dem and voted Tory once .
If I had to choose today between all of them, I have genuinely no idea, since I think that they are all dreadful.
I would think that the other group of people that show genuine bile toward Farage btw are those that have absolutely no time for his racist, homophobic party, don't you? |
No in my experience it's mostly the left and scared Tories. Farage's base, populist, lowest common denominator message is very popular among many others. My view of UKIP entirely chimes with yours by the way. |  |
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| Question Time on 19:25 - Dec 12 with 1459 views | exiledclaseboy |
PS - if everyone lived within their means and stopped borrowing money as suggested here, the entire house of cards would come crashing down. This almost happened a few years ago when the banks stopped lending and people stopped borrowing. The entire system depends on governments and individuals spending money they/we don't have. That's why successive governments have actively encouraged us all to embrace credit. | |
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| Question Time on 19:31 - Dec 12 with 1442 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Question Time on 19:19 - Dec 12 by exiledclaseboy |
No in my experience it's mostly the left and scared Tories. Farage's base, populist, lowest common denominator message is very popular among many others. My view of UKIP entirely chimes with yours by the way. |
the thing that most worries me is this.
Up here, there are a bunch of disaffected Tory voters that hate Cameron and don't like immigrants and will vote for UKIP. White Van man if you like.
In Swansea, there are a bunch of disaffected Labour voters (wouldn't vote Tory under pain of death) that will vote UKIP because they don't like immigrants.
It's easy to see how this single issue party will do phenomenally well.
I dislike Farage, because he puts a 'sensible (ish)' spin on issues - talking about immigration purely through the problems of pressure on infrastructure, jobs, schools, the NHS and so on. The difficulty is that he is fairly 'clubbable'.
He hides the bunch of rabid lunatics that populate his party, who hate black people, moslems and gays and see this as a way of covering up that hatred in an 'acceptable' vote - in a way that BNP never would be.
Although I am fairly naturally capitalist in my economic viewpoint, I am equally naturally 'leftie' in my social politics (or liberal in the true sense of the word). Therefore, it is that 'nutter' element that I detest.
I am starting to get worried that they are going to have a huge support, partly due to the absolute ineptitude of the Tory & Labour parties. | | | |
| Question Time on 19:32 - Dec 12 with 1441 views | Lohengrin |
| Question Time on 19:19 - Dec 12 by exiledclaseboy |
No in my experience it's mostly the left and scared Tories. Farage's base, populist, lowest common denominator message is very popular among many others. My view of UKIP entirely chimes with yours by the way. |
Farage seems to have plenty of support in work with me stemming mostly from the desire they all seem to have of giving the old gang parties a good kicking next time around. I doubt that's a sentiment confined to my place of work either.
The worry, and it MUST be a worry for the old gang is that it soesn't seem to matter one iota what Farage or his cohorts come out with nor what dirt the journaille fling at them, the bandwagon keeps gathering pace. UKIP are garnering more bouquets than brickbats across the board, in old Labour heartlands and the Home Counties alike. It's going to be an interesting eighteen months ahead. | |
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| Question Time on 19:37 - Dec 12 with 1424 views | Lohengrin |
| Question Time on 19:25 - Dec 12 by exiledclaseboy |
PS - if everyone lived within their means and stopped borrowing money as suggested here, the entire house of cards would come crashing down. This almost happened a few years ago when the banks stopped lending and people stopped borrowing. The entire system depends on governments and individuals spending money they/we don't have. That's why successive governments have actively encouraged us all to embrace credit. |
I've got a wife who eyes new kitchen displays the way a pig ogles truffles and two teenage daughters who seem to think they are the Ecclestone girls. What chance do you think I've got of swearing off the plastic?  | |
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| Question Time on 19:38 - Dec 12 with 1422 views | exiledclaseboy |
UKIP will only get a handful of seats, if any at all. No more than ten. Even if they got 20% of the vote nationally, which they won't, they'd struggle to get more than that. Such are the vagaries of first past the post and the fact that UKIP doesn't have a historical heartland like Labour and the Tories which guarantees both parties dozens of seats without them even needing to campaign. | |
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| Question Time on 19:40 - Dec 12 with 1414 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Question Time on 19:38 - Dec 12 by exiledclaseboy |
UKIP will only get a handful of seats, if any at all. No more than ten. Even if they got 20% of the vote nationally, which they won't, they'd struggle to get more than that. Such are the vagaries of first past the post and the fact that UKIP doesn't have a historical heartland like Labour and the Tories which guarantees both parties dozens of seats without them even needing to campaign. |
and that is the thing I keep clinging on to.
It's a worry, however, that in a close run thing, those 10 seats may become crucial. | | | |
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| Question Time on 19:43 - Dec 12 with 1404 views | Lohengrin |
| Question Time on 19:38 - Dec 12 by exiledclaseboy |
UKIP will only get a handful of seats, if any at all. No more than ten. Even if they got 20% of the vote nationally, which they won't, they'd struggle to get more than that. Such are the vagaries of first past the post and the fact that UKIP doesn't have a historical heartland like Labour and the Tories which guarantees both parties dozens of seats without them even needing to campaign. |
Another Westminster scandal could throw a real spanner in the works, moreover should one arise you'd be hard pressed to find anybody in the least bit surprised by it. | |
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| Question Time on 19:46 - Dec 12 with 1398 views | quiff |
| Question Time on 19:25 - Dec 12 by exiledclaseboy |
PS - if everyone lived within their means and stopped borrowing money as suggested here, the entire house of cards would come crashing down. This almost happened a few years ago when the banks stopped lending and people stopped borrowing. The entire system depends on governments and individuals spending money they/we don't have. That's why successive governments have actively encouraged us all to embrace credit. |
Exactly what I was about to write in response! There's also the fact that most people in poverty now work- debt is inevitable if credit is available at a time where people can't afford the cost of living.
It's probably not worth arguing on a thread in which Andrew Neil has been praised as a genuine political thinker mind... | |
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| Question Time on 19:47 - Dec 12 with 1395 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Question Time on 19:40 - Dec 12 by londonlisa2001 |
and that is the thing I keep clinging on to.
It's a worry, however, that in a close run thing, those 10 seats may become crucial. |
I'm convinced there will be no majority government after the election so they could well be. As could the extra seats the SNP will pick up. One thing I am sure of having seen at close quarters how the current lot work is that a further five years of it is a truly terrifying prospect for this country. | |
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| Question Time on 20:41 - Dec 12 with 1350 views | perchrockjack |
This thread is getting good so thanks to loh, clasie, Lisa, bony, forvsomecexcellentband fair comments. | |
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| Question Time on 21:19 - Dec 12 with 1306 views | skippyjack |
When you've got leaders like..
Cameron
Clegg
Miliband
Farage
It's hard to support anything.. we might as well let UKIP in the mad house.. it's for comedy purposes.. |  |
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| Question Time on 23:27 - Dec 12 with 1253 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
It seems the guy with a walking stick is a UKIP member .
He spoke just words it seems .
You all know , the words . The words that some think are true.
They are words which even the intelligent gall for . |  |
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| Question Time on 00:45 - Dec 13 with 1234 views | _ |
| Question Time on 12:53 - Dec 12 by epaul |
Russell Brand
Answer time
I’ve just got home from recording bbc tv’s political debate show Question Time and if you saw it and found it anti-climactic, I know how you feel.
Nigel Farage in the flesh, gin blossomed flesh that it is, inspires sympathy more than fear, an end of the pier, end of the road, end of days politician, who like many people who drink too much has a certain sloppy sadness. Camilla Cavendish who I was sat next to, seemed kindly and the two politicians from opposing parties, that flanked Dimbleby melted into an indistinguishable potage of cautious wonk words before I could properly learn which was blue and which was red. For my part I sat politely on my hands, keen to avoid hollering obscenities after a week of hypocrisy accusations and half-arsed, front page controversy.
Only the audience inspire passion or connection. Humanity. The usual preposterous jumble that you see in any of our towns, even if groomed and prepped by Auntie, they comparatively throb with authenticity opposite us, across the shark-eyed bank of cumbersome cameras.
The panelists have been together in “the green room” chatting, like before any TV show, and that’s what QT is, a TV show, a timid and tepid debate where the topics and dynamism of the discussion are as wooden and flat as the table we gamely sit around.
There is a practice question prior to the record, so the cameras can position and mics can be checked and the audience can practice harrumphing. In my dressing room at the modern Kentish theatre, before my sticky descent, I can hear them being prepped “ask questions, quarrel, applaud, keep those hands up”.
The practice question is a soft ball rhubarb toss about clumping kids or something and even though I’m determined to concentrate like a grown up, my mind drifts back to the Canterbury Food Bank I visited before arriving, partly to learn about it, as a researcher told me there might be question on them and first hand knowledge would make me look good, and partly because, y’know, I actually care.
In a warehouse in a retail park Christians and sixth formers assemble bags of what would rightly be considered “staples” in a kinder world. Tins of food and packets of biscuits and it’s good that we’re near to the “White Cliffs of Dover” because it feels like there’s a war on and the livid coloured packaging goes sepia in my mind as Dame Vera scores the melancholy scene.
The Christians are as Christians are, kind and optimistic. The donations come from ordinary local folk “We get more from the poorer people” says Martin, a quick deputy in a cuddly jumper. “More from Asda shoppers than Waitrose.” As I contemplate cancelling my Ocado (or whatever the f*ck it’s called) order Chrissy, the lady who runs the scheme says that this year people who received packages previously have now donated themselves. Previous recipients often volunteer an all. Here older folk and the students diligently box off the nosh and I determine to give them and their heartening endeavor a shout out on the show and my writhing, nervous gut begins to settle.
Chrissy explains how the Caterbury Food Bank has brought people together, not just those it feeds but those who volunteer. “It seemed like a good way to worship Christ” she says. Martin, who I am starting to gently fall in love with, observes that supermarkets profit from the enterprise as Food Bank campaigns encourage their customers to spend more there. “Do you think there’s an obligation for the state to feed people?” I ask “or room for a bit more Jesus kicking the money lenders out of the temple type stuff?”
They smile.
Many who use their facility are people that work full time and still fall short, others have suffered under “benefit sanctions”. “They’re very quick to cut off people’s benefits these days” says Martin.
“People think that Canterbury is affluent, but all around us are pockets of the hidden hungry”. The hidden hungry. “I’m gonna use that” I tell him as I scarper. He makes a very British joke about charging me as I get in the car and I tell him I nicked some jammy dodgers, and we laugh so that’s alright.
I think about the hidden hungry as I settle into my QT chair and get “mic’d up”. Farage entered to a simultaneous cheer and jeer, they cancel each other out, like bose headphones and leave an eerie silence. David Dimbleby says something about it being panto season and someone in the audience says “oh no it isn’t” and I love him for it, even though I’m pretty sure he was one of the UKip cheerers.
And a pantomime it is, well not so entertaining, no flouncing dames or doleful Buttons or rousing songs, just semi-staged tittle-tattle and bickering. The only worthwhile sentiments, be they raging or insightful come from the audience, across the camera bank. The man who brings up politicians pay rises, the man who demands I stand for parliament (so that he could not vote for me judging from his antipathy), the mad, lovely blue hair woman who swears at everyone, mostly though the woman who says “Why are we talking about immigrants? It’s a side issue, this crisis was caused by financial negligence and the subsequent bail-out”. This piece of rhetoric more valuable than anything I could’ve said, including my pound-shop Enoch Powell gag. More potent than the one thing I regret not saying because time and format did not permit it. That the people have the wisdom, not politicians, that the old paradigm is broken and will not be repaired. That the future is collectivised power. Parliamentary politics is dead, they, it’s denizens, wandering from aye to neigh from Tory to UKip know it’s dead and we know it’s dead. Farage is worse than stagnant, he is a tribute act, he is a nostalgic spasm for a Britain that never was; an infinite cricket green with no one from the colonies to raise the game, grammar schools on every corner and shamed women breastfeeding under giant parasols. The Britain of the future will be born of alliances between ordinary, self-governing people, organised locally, communicating globally. Built on principles that are found in traditions like Christianity; community, altruism, kindness, love.
In the “practice question” Farage says it’s okay to hit children “it’s good for them to be afraid” he said. There is a lot of fear about in our country at the moment and he is certainly benefitting from it. But the Britain I love is unafraid and brave. We have a laugh together, we take care of one another, we love an underdog and we unite to confront bullies. We voluntarily feed the poor when the government won’t do it. These ideas and actions that I saw in the food bank and across the camera bank are where the real power lies and this new power is the answer, no question about it.
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