| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 08:36 - Jan 12 with 902 views | AnotherJohn |
Sir Trevor Phillips has now joined the calls for a national inquiry. His view is that the rape gang phenomenon is different from most other child abuse. While most offenders try to keep the abuse secret, threatening the victim with dire consequences if they disclose what has happened, Phillips says that the awful thing about the gangs is that local communities knew what was happening. He cites the example of a teenage girl being kept in a room above a kebab shop with 15 men waiting in another room to take their turns , He says that there was a cultural issue whereby certain sections of the Asian community felt the girls had this coming because they were children of a decadent Western society where loose sexual behaviour was the norm.
Elsewhere the first Labour MP has expressed dissent from the party line, and an Oldham councillor has criticised the repeated attempts of Labour at both local and national level to block action.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/grooming-gangs-campaigners-inquiry-
Finally there is a report that gang abuse is continuing.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/grooming-gang-child-sex-offences-repor
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 08:44 - Jan 12 with 896 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 08:36 - Jan 12 by AnotherJohn |
Sir Trevor Phillips has now joined the calls for a national inquiry. His view is that the rape gang phenomenon is different from most other child abuse. While most offenders try to keep the abuse secret, threatening the victim with dire consequences if they disclose what has happened, Phillips says that the awful thing about the gangs is that local communities knew what was happening. He cites the example of a teenage girl being kept in a room above a kebab shop with 15 men waiting in another room to take their turns , He says that there was a cultural issue whereby certain sections of the Asian community felt the girls had this coming because they were children of a decadent Western society where loose sexual behaviour was the norm.
Elsewhere the first Labour MP has expressed dissent from the party line, and an Oldham councillor has criticised the repeated attempts of Labour at both local and national level to block action.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/grooming-gangs-campaigners-inquiry-
Finally there is a report that gang abuse is continuing.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/grooming-gang-child-sex-offences-repor
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Lets hope the pressure is kept on , there are too many national agencies involved in this for there not to be a national enquiry.
Just read the backstory of Oldham council for example and they want us to trust the process ,really. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:03 - Jan 12 with 852 views | onehunglow |
Bottom line
Why do so many men with sub continent roots feel so inclined in this matter
Why do their wives acquiesce to this
Why do not the Imams address this issue | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:39 - Jan 12 with 816 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 10:03 - Jan 12 by onehunglow |
Bottom line
Why do so many men with sub continent roots feel so inclined in this matter
Why do their wives acquiesce to this
Why do not the Imams address this issue |
When having leisurely cycle ride in the summer I sometimes ride past the steps in front of county hall just off Oystermouth road, and it's like riding through another country but also you see an an inodinate amount of young girls there ,dressed up as youngsters do to look older than they are , not for one moment am I insinuating that they're at fault but I often wonder whether if any of the many single makes take advantage ,someone on this thread posted that Swansea once had a similar problem ,was that anyway connected to what I witnessed. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:40 - Jan 12 with 787 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 11:39 - Jan 12 by Boundy |
When having leisurely cycle ride in the summer I sometimes ride past the steps in front of county hall just off Oystermouth road, and it's like riding through another country but also you see an an inodinate amount of young girls there ,dressed up as youngsters do to look older than they are , not for one moment am I insinuating that they're at fault but I often wonder whether if any of the many single makes take advantage ,someone on this thread posted that Swansea once had a similar problem ,was that anyway connected to what I witnessed. |
Young girls always dress up to look older. I saw a mates neice down Wind street one night looking every inch the stunning 20 something in her low cut dress and high heels and make up.
She was 14.
Child sexual abuse isn't the preserve of Asian men but as said, it does seem to be publci knowledge and as in the North of England, parents were going to the police, even victims were going to the police and the police did next to nothing.
That needs an inquiry, the police inaction needs investigating and there will be some that deserve prosecuting as much as the perpetrators of abuse.
Just as with other things he's said and done, Starmer is being the wet lettuce again. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:53 - Jan 12 with 769 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:40 - Jan 12 by SullutaCreturned |
Young girls always dress up to look older. I saw a mates neice down Wind street one night looking every inch the stunning 20 something in her low cut dress and high heels and make up.
She was 14.
Child sexual abuse isn't the preserve of Asian men but as said, it does seem to be publci knowledge and as in the North of England, parents were going to the police, even victims were going to the police and the police did next to nothing.
That needs an inquiry, the police inaction needs investigating and there will be some that deserve prosecuting as much as the perpetrators of abuse.
Just as with other things he's said and done, Starmer is being the wet lettuce again. |
Let’s not forget mNy of their grandmas ( the British girls) would ,in their youth be wearing very short skirts then hot pants but we realised there’s a line not to crosss.
This is not so in many former mill towns now.
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:27 - Jan 12 with 743 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:53 - Jan 12 by onehunglow |
Let’s not forget mNy of their grandmas ( the British girls) would ,in their youth be wearing very short skirts then hot pants but we realised there’s a line not to crosss.
This is not so in many former mill towns now.
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I think you nailed with that one with ,knowing where the line is ,but I believe the line in another culture is not the same as ours .Even the sky pilot of the muslim religion was recorded as being a puedo, therefore the devout followers may believe what was good for him is good for them. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 15:22 - Jan 12 with 686 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 13:27 - Jan 12 by Boundy |
I think you nailed with that one with ,knowing where the line is ,but I believe the line in another culture is not the same as ours .Even the sky pilot of the muslim religion was recorded as being a puedo, therefore the devout followers may believe what was good for him is good for them. |
Nurse stabbed yesterday who works at RoyalOldham hospital. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 14:55 - Jan 13 with 513 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 07:59 - Jan 10 by Scotia |
Pretty much every religion believe that. Most religions also believe that Men are superior to women. Fundamentally though all religions are based on peace and respect of fellow humans, depending on the interpretaions of whatever ficitional text they follow.
The behaviour of the men in these cases are probably comes from their entire culture and the circumsatnces they find themselves in.
Mistreatment of anyone wouldn't be preached by their Imman. |
Your last e sentence , you were saying ?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/crime/general/imams-promote-grooming-rings-says-muslim | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 15:01 - Jan 13 with 507 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I also think the term “grooming gangs” is abhorrent and should not be used. It suggests a complicity amongst the victims as if they allowed themselves to be drawn in and somehow consented.
They should be called what they are. Rape and trafficking gangs. |  |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 15:33 - Jan 13 with 488 views | Luther27 |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 12:40 - Jan 12 by SullutaCreturned |
Young girls always dress up to look older. I saw a mates neice down Wind street one night looking every inch the stunning 20 something in her low cut dress and high heels and make up.
She was 14.
Child sexual abuse isn't the preserve of Asian men but as said, it does seem to be publci knowledge and as in the North of England, parents were going to the police, even victims were going to the police and the police did next to nothing.
That needs an inquiry, the police inaction needs investigating and there will be some that deserve prosecuting as much as the perpetrators of abuse.
Just as with other things he's said and done, Starmer is being the wet lettuce again. |
That’s exactly my take on why it’s in our interest to have a public enquiry…to out those complicit in these crimes against children.
It’ll never happen. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 15:57 - Jan 13 with 474 views | Scotia |
He's an anti-Islam muslim on a racist channel. I don't believe it. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 16:18 - Jan 13 with 462 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 15:57 - Jan 13 by Scotia |
He's an anti-Islam muslim on a racist channel. I don't believe it. |
Maybe if we had a national enquiry we would find out if was true along with many other things , there's currently on BBC iPlayer the story of the 7 / 7 bombings and how it became more than just a local issue. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 17:43 - Jan 13 with 442 views | Luther27 |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 08:36 - Jan 12 by AnotherJohn |
Sir Trevor Phillips has now joined the calls for a national inquiry. His view is that the rape gang phenomenon is different from most other child abuse. While most offenders try to keep the abuse secret, threatening the victim with dire consequences if they disclose what has happened, Phillips says that the awful thing about the gangs is that local communities knew what was happening. He cites the example of a teenage girl being kept in a room above a kebab shop with 15 men waiting in another room to take their turns , He says that there was a cultural issue whereby certain sections of the Asian community felt the girls had this coming because they were children of a decadent Western society where loose sexual behaviour was the norm.
Elsewhere the first Labour MP has expressed dissent from the party line, and an Oldham councillor has criticised the repeated attempts of Labour at both local and national level to block action.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/grooming-gangs-campaigners-inquiry-
Finally there is a report that gang abuse is continuing.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/grooming-gang-child-sex-offences-repor
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I don’t buy the cultural issue. These animals were either born or raised here or have been here many years. They choose to ignore British law and should feel the full force of it as a warning to all.
The key to all this is integration or the lack of on their part. If they can’t accept our laws and culture then go to a country that does. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 18:14 - Jan 13 with 415 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 17:43 - Jan 13 by Luther27 |
I don’t buy the cultural issue. These animals were either born or raised here or have been here many years. They choose to ignore British law and should feel the full force of it as a warning to all.
The key to all this is integration or the lack of on their part. If they can’t accept our laws and culture then go to a country that does. |
Integration is a two way process. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 18:58 - Jan 13 with 387 views | Dr_Winston |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 18:14 - Jan 13 by Scotia |
Integration is a two way process. |
No it isn't. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:14 - Jan 13 with 370 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 18:58 - Jan 13 by Dr_Winston |
No it isn't. |
Why should I have integrate , I was born here ,grew up ith the good and bad this country offers , I never asked for anyone who wasn't to come here so imo it's their responsibility to integrate into our ways of living not form enclaves so they can carry on living in the manner of their choosing but take the benefits this country offers. | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:29 - Jan 13 with 364 views | controversial_jack |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:14 - Jan 13 by Boundy |
Why should I have integrate , I was born here ,grew up ith the good and bad this country offers , I never asked for anyone who wasn't to come here so imo it's their responsibility to integrate into our ways of living not form enclaves so they can carry on living in the manner of their choosing but take the benefits this country offers. |
It''s not just about you though is it?
You are just one of millions who happened to have been born here. Your voice is no more important than someone who has been here for a few years. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:36 - Jan 13 with 359 views | onehunglow |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:14 - Jan 13 by Boundy |
Why should I have integrate , I was born here ,grew up ith the good and bad this country offers , I never asked for anyone who wasn't to come here so imo it's their responsibility to integrate into our ways of living not form enclaves so they can carry on living in the manner of their choosing but take the benefits this country offers. |
When going to another land either respect the country and its laws or get out
Muslim countries make no allowances for entrants to their countries
We still feel
Guilt over our colonial days | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:47 - Jan 13 with 340 views | Boundy |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:29 - Jan 13 by controversial_jack |
It''s not just about you though is it?
You are just one of millions who happened to have been born here. Your voice is no more important than someone who has been here for a few years. |
No it's not but I'd hazard a guess there's more than just me thinking the same . | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:02 - Jan 13 with 323 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:14 - Jan 13 by Boundy |
Why should I have integrate , I was born here ,grew up ith the good and bad this country offers , I never asked for anyone who wasn't to come here so imo it's their responsibility to integrate into our ways of living not form enclaves so they can carry on living in the manner of their choosing but take the benefits this country offers. |
Yes If a British person went to live in Saudi Arabia or the United Arab Emirates or Qatar or Afghanistan or Eritrea or Somalia or any of these countries would they be able to live like they did back in the UK or would they be expected to conform to their rules and their way of life? And if they didn’t what would the consequences be? | |
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| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:32 - Jan 13 with 285 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 18:58 - Jan 13 by Dr_Winston |
No it isn't. |
We invited them here in most cases or let them stay in others.
Immigrants are mostly treated appallingly, no wonder they don't integrate well. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:35 - Jan 13 with 281 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 19:14 - Jan 13 by Boundy |
Why should I have integrate , I was born here ,grew up ith the good and bad this country offers , I never asked for anyone who wasn't to come here so imo it's their responsibility to integrate into our ways of living not form enclaves so they can carry on living in the manner of their choosing but take the benefits this country offers. |
Well your life depends on them, even your football club depends on them.
If you don't want them to be here we'd be in a dreadful state. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:42 - Jan 13 with 261 views | Scotia |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:02 - Jan 13 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Yes If a British person went to live in Saudi Arabia or the United Arab Emirates or Qatar or Afghanistan or Eritrea or Somalia or any of these countries would they be able to live like they did back in the UK or would they be expected to conform to their rules and their way of life? And if they didn’t what would the consequences be? |
You'd have to conform to their rules, as immigrants have to here.
The rules may be different but it's the same for everyone.
It's one of the reasons that I have no interest in visiting any of those countries. | | | |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 21:05 - Jan 13 with 231 views | Luther27 |
| Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry on 20:42 - Jan 13 by Scotia |
You'd have to conform to their rules, as immigrants have to here.
The rules may be different but it's the same for everyone.
It's one of the reasons that I have no interest in visiting any of those countries. |
And that’s where you lack education and experience when discussing this issue. I have lived in these countries mentioned…I do understand and respect their laws and religious beliefs. I fully understood my position there as a non national.
Like it or loath it there are large enclaves in this country of various peoples who do not want to intergrate. We allow free religious practice….we absorb the culture and have welcomed immigration for many a year.
Is it too much to ask that anyone arriving here in this country that offers refuge and safety obeys and adheres to the law of the land. I did when I was in a foreign land. | | | |
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