| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 12:29 - Dec 30 with 769 views | Flashberryjack |
Miliband and his net zero plans are absolutely crazy. |  |
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| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions (n/t) on 12:44 - Dec 30 with 750 views | max936 |
Those making the decisions just pluck figures and dates out of the air, utterly clueless. [Post edited 30 Dec 2024 12:46]
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| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions (n/t) on 12:44 - Dec 30 with 750 views | max936 |
"Miliband and his net zero plans are absolutely crazy"
He's always been clueless and all about his own ambitions, its the hard working tax payer that'll pay for his fanciful idea's, we produce less than 1%of the worlds carbon emissions and until these Countries like China, India, USA and "Russia" get inline and sort their own emissions out all we do is just p.ssing into the wind. [Post edited 30 Dec 2024 12:53]
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| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions (n/t) on 12:44 - Dec 30 with 750 views | max936 |
ignore [Post edited 30 Dec 2024 12:54]
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| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions (n/t) on 12:44 - Dec 30 with 750 views | max936 |
And ignore again [Post edited 30 Dec 2024 12:54]
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| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 15:01 - Dec 30 with 652 views | Boundy |
The rush to green will outweigh any benefits its perceived to have and will cost us billions , new overhead lines for example built with imported steel , alloy fittings , glass or polymeric insulators ( which ever is costed the cheapest) ,hundreds of miles of conducting cable, foundations albeit on completion will be small certainly in comparison to a wind turbine or solar farm but during construction will impact on the environment .
Then the substations again with a large footprint containing steel structures , large quantities of SF6 gas to provide the insulation (dependant on the size and design of the substation).Huge amount of medium voltage cabling systems for protection systems , in fact thousands of miles of cable within each site, all of which needs to be mined and manufactured).
The drive towards carbon neutral in such a small space of time is going to cost us greatly imo. |  |
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| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 15:10 - Dec 30 with 644 views | max936 |
| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 15:01 - Dec 30 by Boundy |
The rush to green will outweigh any benefits its perceived to have and will cost us billions , new overhead lines for example built with imported steel , alloy fittings , glass or polymeric insulators ( which ever is costed the cheapest) ,hundreds of miles of conducting cable, foundations albeit on completion will be small certainly in comparison to a wind turbine or solar farm but during construction will impact on the environment .
Then the substations again with a large footprint containing steel structures , large quantities of SF6 gas to provide the insulation (dependant on the size and design of the substation).Huge amount of medium voltage cabling systems for protection systems , in fact thousands of miles of cable within each site, all of which needs to be mined and manufactured).
The drive towards carbon neutral in such a small space of time is going to cost us greatly imo. |
Like I said those making the decisions won't care about that, they won't be paying for it another pointless vanity project.
Labour want to be seen as the government to drive it on, look what we done etc.
except they have no idea about the cost of it all, we'll just pay for it all and we won't see any benefit from it, the cost of energy will increase without a shadow of doubt, it needs stopping and stopping it now. | |
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| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 16:24 - Dec 30 with 625 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 15:10 - Dec 30 by max936 |
Like I said those making the decisions won't care about that, they won't be paying for it another pointless vanity project.
Labour want to be seen as the government to drive it on, look what we done etc.
except they have no idea about the cost of it all, we'll just pay for it all and we won't see any benefit from it, the cost of energy will increase without a shadow of doubt, it needs stopping and stopping it now. |
By going hard 25 years before the target date, we are going to end up with a load of obsolete technology, it's stupid people making the decisions who have no idea about speed of change effects. [Post edited 30 Dec 2024 16:26]
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| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 16:39 - Dec 30 with 597 views | union_jack |
The reason we are doing this is because we still see ourselves as an exemplar country to the rest of the world. The fact that many countries don’t see us as that or don’t give a sh1t dpseems to have no bearing on our policy making! |  |
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| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 16:49 - Dec 30 with 591 views | max936 |
| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 16:24 - Dec 30 by JACKMANANDBOY |
By going hard 25 years before the target date, we are going to end up with a load of obsolete technology, it's stupid people making the decisions who have no idea about speed of change effects. [Post edited 30 Dec 2024 16:26]
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They don't care about that they just care about the prestige of doing it, "Oh look at what we have achieved" when in actual fact they've achieved naff all, cause it'll all be obsolete they're not paying for it though. | |
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| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 16:51 - Dec 30 with 586 views | max936 |
| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 16:49 - Dec 30 by max936 |
They don't care about that they just care about the prestige of doing it, "Oh look at what we have achieved" when in actual fact they've achieved naff all, cause it'll all be obsolete they're not paying for it though. |
Somin to chuck into the faces of their rivals at our expense. | |
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| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 16:59 - Dec 30 with 583 views | Whiterockin |
| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 16:49 - Dec 30 by max936 |
They don't care about that they just care about the prestige of doing it, "Oh look at what we have achieved" when in actual fact they've achieved naff all, cause it'll all be obsolete they're not paying for it though. |
As individuals we have to pay for the vanity of our politicians, while the rest of the industrial world sticks up two fingers and laughs. |  | | |
| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 17:34 - Dec 30 with 530 views | max936 |
| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 16:59 - Dec 30 by Whiterockin |
As individuals we have to pay for the vanity of our politicians, while the rest of the industrial world sticks up two fingers and laughs. |
Weasels the lot of them, I'll say it again the political landscape in this country needs massive improvements and get this current bunch torys labour etc out and keep them out, clowns the lot of them.
How the F did Miliband get back into government he couldn't run a bath. | |
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| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 19:01 - Dec 30 with 479 views | AnotherJohn |
Depressing. The long-term economic outlook is looking worse by the day. with several policy initiatives taking us in the wrong direction. it looks pretty much inevitable that Reeves (or a successor) will have to increase the tax take yet again before long. | | | |
| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 19:22 - Dec 30 with 447 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 16:39 - Dec 30 by union_jack |
The reason we are doing this is because we still see ourselves as an exemplar country to the rest of the world. The fact that many countries don’t see us as that or don’t give a sh1t dpseems to have no bearing on our policy making! |
There's a good book, "The March of Folly" by Barbara W Tuchman in which she explores why governments pursue policies contrary to their own self interests, examples include Japan attacking Pearl Harbour, George 111 losing the American colonies and then the USA's actions in Vietnam.
I think our government and their pursuit of net zero comes under this title. We are spending ever increasing amounts on something that makes so very little difference to the world but is doing enormous harm to our own economy. Political vanity, stupidity...anything else? | | | |
| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 14:24 - Jan 1 with 239 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
The filthy coal mining jobs are gone thank goodness and the open cast ravage of south Wales is soon to close. Aberfan not forgotten by some
The money needed for reclamation (in an Escrow fund) was not managed property as you would expect by miners working with the local authority. So the tax payer will pick up the bill.
UK is no longer dumping acid rain destroying Scandinavian forests. I do not know if UK paid any compensation.
More fitly pollution in Crimea with the new suppressed by the Russians. The latest in a long list of ecological disasters. It may destroy the final numbers of unique Crimean dolphins.
Tata closes in Port Talbot. The workers were paid too much for it to be profitable, The local children in Port Talbot will probably be healthier. No one worries about them.
The rivers are filthy again because UK were seduced by the "cut red tape" mentality. Control of business was lost who are free to pollute.
The wind turbines can be recycled . It is hoped the cabling has been designed for up grading and easy retrofitting.
I live in a city and have no need for car. I use public transport if possible.
Chinese and Indians do what they always do and follow Western lead . No good being middle class if the air is filthy.
I have not noticed high energy prices and am wiling to pay extra for cleanliness. I have shares in National Grid and Centrica who pay nice dividends. Any one over 18 could have bought these shares very cheaply. Many that did made a quick profit and cashed in within 3 years . They pay me about £300 in dividends. Not much . The money is not going to shareholders.
German had cheap fuel and especially gas off people who now threaten to bomb Berlin with a small nuclear device. Its a tough world.
Work hard pay your bills and give the old folk some extra cash if they are struggling. UK is more susceptible to global price gains as the strategy is not supply huge storage facilities.
Humans have been to the moon and done fantastic things in medicine and computing. People are still desperate to burn muck from the ground or greasy black slime. Presumably in South Wales the cave living natives in the furs figures out Welsh black stuff burned real good for hours. That was 3000 -4000 years ago. They might have been smart enough to work out how to burn it.
We might be smart enough to keep ourselves warm without burning much or muck gases. Any moves in that direction I applaud. [Post edited 1 Jan 16:48]
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| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 12:25 - Jan 2 with 58 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Folly of Rushing to Today's Green Solutions on 14:24 - Jan 1 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The filthy coal mining jobs are gone thank goodness and the open cast ravage of south Wales is soon to close. Aberfan not forgotten by some
The money needed for reclamation (in an Escrow fund) was not managed property as you would expect by miners working with the local authority. So the tax payer will pick up the bill.
UK is no longer dumping acid rain destroying Scandinavian forests. I do not know if UK paid any compensation.
More fitly pollution in Crimea with the new suppressed by the Russians. The latest in a long list of ecological disasters. It may destroy the final numbers of unique Crimean dolphins.
Tata closes in Port Talbot. The workers were paid too much for it to be profitable, The local children in Port Talbot will probably be healthier. No one worries about them.
The rivers are filthy again because UK were seduced by the "cut red tape" mentality. Control of business was lost who are free to pollute.
The wind turbines can be recycled . It is hoped the cabling has been designed for up grading and easy retrofitting.
I live in a city and have no need for car. I use public transport if possible.
Chinese and Indians do what they always do and follow Western lead . No good being middle class if the air is filthy.
I have not noticed high energy prices and am wiling to pay extra for cleanliness. I have shares in National Grid and Centrica who pay nice dividends. Any one over 18 could have bought these shares very cheaply. Many that did made a quick profit and cashed in within 3 years . They pay me about £300 in dividends. Not much . The money is not going to shareholders.
German had cheap fuel and especially gas off people who now threaten to bomb Berlin with a small nuclear device. Its a tough world.
Work hard pay your bills and give the old folk some extra cash if they are struggling. UK is more susceptible to global price gains as the strategy is not supply huge storage facilities.
Humans have been to the moon and done fantastic things in medicine and computing. People are still desperate to burn muck from the ground or greasy black slime. Presumably in South Wales the cave living natives in the furs figures out Welsh black stuff burned real good for hours. That was 3000 -4000 years ago. They might have been smart enough to work out how to burn it.
We might be smart enough to keep ourselves warm without burning much or muck gases. Any moves in that direction I applaud. [Post edited 1 Jan 16:48]
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The UK never dumped acid rain, strange notion.
Port Talbot children MAY be healthier, but they could end up in poverty too.
The rivers are filthy because water companies have ignored the laws and regulators haven't done their jobs.
cabling...it is hoped? Surely they know, they know what they used and if it is designed that way.
We'd use public transport if it was suitable, it doesn't work for us.
China and India aren't following the western lead, or do you have evidence? Inida's pollution is rising.
Your shares, of course the money is going to shareholders, if you actually get 300 quid, how many shares do you have and how many have those companies sold, you likely have a tiny percentage of the total number of shares. One national grid share sells for £945.00 today. Blackrock investment owns 307,977,440 shares, Merrill Lynch 216,654, 059. Do you own a few hundred? The dividen this year is less than 16p per share. | | | |
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