| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 07:47 - Nov 3 with 1094 views | jack247 |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 13:29 - Nov 2 by onehunglow |
He can do the basics
He’s been hammered whilst others have got away with murder
We need to nurture him,coach I’m even . Give him a chance |
I went yesterday due to my mates wife pulling a late sickie.
We were watching from closer to the pitch than I am at home and I’ll be honest, he didn’t impress me again.
He’s just second to everything and doesn’t physically impose himself. Even for his goal he was fortunate the centre back who was goal side of him couldn’t reach Ronalds cross.
He did make more effort to get involved in the build up which was great to see. I can’t accuse him of being unfit or static, which I have in the past, I just don’t think he reads the play very well and is often out of position or flat footed.
We can put the ‘give him service’ thing to bed too. He had plenty yesterday, though a lot of that is down to him getting more involved and making more runs.
I’ve criticised Bianchini too. Thought he looked good up front. May be an option going forward. |  | |  |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 07:55 - Nov 3 with 1073 views | jack247 |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 07:41 - Nov 3 by Swans9 |
We can't look ahead to other games. So many games this season late on we make changes and concede. Bristol city for example as soon as Franco went off it was carnage. As if the opposition think oh we haven't touched the ball for 60 minutes and now they taking championship players off and not replacing them. Unless the youngsters step up the bench and the first 11 needs quality signings in Jan. Well done to all players and manager and fans was a great win though and massively needed. [Post edited 3 Nov 7:43]
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We were 2-0 up on 83 minutes against a team that weren’t really threatening. Whether it was a calculated gamble in a three game week or a pre planned, stats based substitution I’m not sure.
Williams does make fairly predictable substitutions. Give me the starting line up for Tuesday and I can probably tell you four of the five he’ll take off. Franco would be one of them. | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 08:25 - Nov 3 with 1011 views | onehunglow |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 07:55 - Nov 3 by jack247 |
We were 2-0 up on 83 minutes against a team that weren’t really threatening. Whether it was a calculated gamble in a three game week or a pre planned, stats based substitution I’m not sure.
Williams does make fairly predictable substitutions. Give me the starting line up for Tuesday and I can probably tell you four of the five he’ll take off. Franco would be one of them. |
10 mins,just ten minutes left .
Players were doing just fine | |
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| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 08:49 - Nov 3 with 975 views | jack247 |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 08:25 - Nov 3 by onehunglow |
10 mins,just ten minutes left .
Players were doing just fine |
We don’t broadly agree on Williams. Overall I think he’s doing a very good job, but have to admit I don’t see the point in some of the changes he makes.
They seem to be a bit formulaic. Some need to be pre planned, Allen is the best example as we know he won’t last all game, but he doesn’t seem to make many reactive substitutions.
Bianchini certainly improved us. I’m not sure Cullen is the best move for Allen when Abdulai is sitting next to him and agree, Franco didn’t look like he was tiring.
Virtually every game of ours highlights the need for a strong bench. | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:05 - Nov 3 with 951 views | onehunglow |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 08:49 - Nov 3 by jack247 |
We don’t broadly agree on Williams. Overall I think he’s doing a very good job, but have to admit I don’t see the point in some of the changes he makes.
They seem to be a bit formulaic. Some need to be pre planned, Allen is the best example as we know he won’t last all game, but he doesn’t seem to make many reactive substitutions.
Bianchini certainly improved us. I’m not sure Cullen is the best move for Allen when Abdulai is sitting next to him and agree, Franco didn’t look like he was tiring.
Virtually every game of ours highlights the need for a strong bench. |
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| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:15 - Nov 3 with 939 views | Whiterockin |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 08:49 - Nov 3 by jack247 |
We don’t broadly agree on Williams. Overall I think he’s doing a very good job, but have to admit I don’t see the point in some of the changes he makes.
They seem to be a bit formulaic. Some need to be pre planned, Allen is the best example as we know he won’t last all game, but he doesn’t seem to make many reactive substitutions.
Bianchini certainly improved us. I’m not sure Cullen is the best move for Allen when Abdulai is sitting next to him and agree, Franco didn’t look like he was tiring.
Virtually every game of ours highlights the need for a strong bench. |
Players are highly monitored every minute of every game, sometimes the science picks up what the eye doesn't and prevents fatigue injuries. |  | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:18 - Nov 3 with 919 views | sw02sea |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 07:55 - Nov 3 by jack247 |
We were 2-0 up on 83 minutes against a team that weren’t really threatening. Whether it was a calculated gamble in a three game week or a pre planned, stats based substitution I’m not sure.
Williams does make fairly predictable substitutions. Give me the starting line up for Tuesday and I can probably tell you four of the five he’ll take off. Franco would be one of them. |
Why oh why does he HAVE to bring on 3 subs at once ??
This always destroys the balance of the team.
Not once has it improved it.
Surely one of his many staff of assistants can see what every man and his whippet sees, that It just doesn’t work !
If that Oxford guy’s header that just missed the far post n injury time, had gone in, there would have been a vast post mortem of anger directed at LW, for throwing a much need 2 points away.
Especially after almost complete control of the game for 88 mins, complete madness.
Contrary to that, I think LW has found a new centre forward for us.
The way Bianchini finished was class, so top marks go to the manager for that substitution.
I am not criticising Luke for his overall management, because he’s been made to operate with a paper thin squad.
If the Yanks don’t help him on the Cabango & Darling front, that will seem like a mighty stab in the back.
I wonder if the Christie signing is their cheap skate way of cover for probably Darling going ? | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:20 - Nov 3 with 912 views | onehunglow |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 07:41 - Nov 3 by Swans9 |
We can't look ahead to other games. So many games this season late on we make changes and concede. Bristol city for example as soon as Franco went off it was carnage. As if the opposition think oh we haven't touched the ball for 60 minutes and now they taking championship players off and not replacing them. Unless the youngsters step up the bench and the first 11 needs quality signings in Jan. Well done to all players and manager and fans was a great win though and massively needed. [Post edited 3 Nov 7:43]
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Franco is the player who should be undroppable | |
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| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:38 - Nov 3 with 876 views | RichardO |
Nice to get a win, haven't seem much of the game only the highlights. Did Grimes play a more central role further up the pitch to control the game from there with Franco and Allen? I persnally think the team performs better with Allen starting because we as we look.more effective, able and quicker pushing forward.
I also liked the fact that for the goal as we pushed and Oxford tried the counter attack, with Key's pace he was in the right position to stop their attack and was then able to quickly turn it into attack so both Key, Ronald and Vipotnik could exploit the space left open with well timed passes, runs and finish looking as if we were in control in what we were doing. Turning defensive situations quickly into attacking with the space created. We seem to create the space with Bianchini goal as well.
For me I want to see the fullbacks hold their defensive positions then being able to counter attacks quickly as the opposition commits forward.
I have seen too many times as the two centrehalves push up making much wanted driving runs through the middle with no cover for their runs. Manning was notorious for it going so high up the pitch leaving no cover even when he was part of a three man defence and one of the other defender was pushing on with the ball.
Will try and get time to watch the whole match. [Post edited 3 Nov 9:45]
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| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:56 - Nov 3 with 828 views | jack247 |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:38 - Nov 3 by RichardO |
Nice to get a win, haven't seem much of the game only the highlights. Did Grimes play a more central role further up the pitch to control the game from there with Franco and Allen? I persnally think the team performs better with Allen starting because we as we look.more effective, able and quicker pushing forward.
I also liked the fact that for the goal as we pushed and Oxford tried the counter attack, with Key's pace he was in the right position to stop their attack and was then able to quickly turn it into attack so both Key, Ronald and Vipotnik could exploit the space left open with well timed passes, runs and finish looking as if we were in control in what we were doing. Turning defensive situations quickly into attacking with the space created. We seem to create the space with Bianchini goal as well.
For me I want to see the fullbacks hold their defensive positions then being able to counter attacks quickly as the opposition commits forward.
I have seen too many times as the two centrehalves push up making much wanted driving runs through the middle with no cover for their runs. Manning was notorious for it going so high up the pitch leaving no cover even when he was part of a three man defence and one of the other defender was pushing on with the ball.
Will try and get time to watch the whole match. [Post edited 3 Nov 9:45]
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Yes, Grimes was generally further up the pitch. He did drop between the centre backs now and then but more often than not, they played out from the back without him.
We played with more zip in midfield and moved the ball quicker. Allen made a difference to our tempo.
The highlights of our first goal started a bit too late. Key actually got turned over while he had players committed forward and they had a decent break on. We were a long way up the pitch, but it looked for a second like Key was either going to get outpaced or bring his man down. He recovered brilliantly though. Once he’d won it back and driven into space, their defence was caught off guard, leading to the ball to Ronald and cross to Vipotnik.
Back to your first point, Allen, Grimes and Franco is a cracking midfield and they all moved and linked well with each other. First half was dominant and that was the main reason IMO | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:58 - Nov 3 with 821 views | onehunglow |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:38 - Nov 3 by RichardO |
Nice to get a win, haven't seem much of the game only the highlights. Did Grimes play a more central role further up the pitch to control the game from there with Franco and Allen? I persnally think the team performs better with Allen starting because we as we look.more effective, able and quicker pushing forward.
I also liked the fact that for the goal as we pushed and Oxford tried the counter attack, with Key's pace he was in the right position to stop their attack and was then able to quickly turn it into attack so both Key, Ronald and Vipotnik could exploit the space left open with well timed passes, runs and finish looking as if we were in control in what we were doing. Turning defensive situations quickly into attacking with the space created. We seem to create the space with Bianchini goal as well.
For me I want to see the fullbacks hold their defensive positions then being able to counter attacks quickly as the opposition commits forward.
I have seen too many times as the two centrehalves push up making much wanted driving runs through the middle with no cover for their runs. Manning was notorious for it going so high up the pitch leaving no cover even when he was part of a three man defence and one of the other defender was pushing on with the ball.
Will try and get time to watch the whole match. [Post edited 3 Nov 9:45]
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Whilst he is way way past his best !Joe yesterday showed how overrated and over reliant we have been with Grimes . It’s been ludicrous .
Joe kept us ticking over just fine doing the basics allowing the younger speedier lads to do their jobs and it worked.
As soon as we bring on the like of Naughton ,we regress . I pick him out as I believe he is another player who shouldn’t have been given another contract to top up his pension . Yet,we are told we have to be parsimonious .
It was encouraging until we almost blew it .Again. It’s why I’m not a Luke Lover .
Pleasing yesterday was a better performance from Tymon .
I’m like a broken of, 33 1/3 I know but we can do so much better than what we have . I am certain a more astute manager would have seen us with at least nine points more . | |
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| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:06 - Nov 3 with 811 views | RichardO |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:58 - Nov 3 by onehunglow |
Whilst he is way way past his best !Joe yesterday showed how overrated and over reliant we have been with Grimes . It’s been ludicrous .
Joe kept us ticking over just fine doing the basics allowing the younger speedier lads to do their jobs and it worked.
As soon as we bring on the like of Naughton ,we regress . I pick him out as I believe he is another player who shouldn’t have been given another contract to top up his pension . Yet,we are told we have to be parsimonious .
It was encouraging until we almost blew it .Again. It’s why I’m not a Luke Lover .
Pleasing yesterday was a better performance from Tymon .
I’m like a broken of, 33 1/3 I know but we can do so much better than what we have . I am certain a more astute manager would have seen us with at least nine points more . |
I had my concerns after the Gillingham game two nil up, comfortable but we went all out attack conceded a late one while still playing all out attack could have conceded another fortunate them not to and score, a third on the full time whistle to make it look a more comfortable win than it was. | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:07 - Nov 3 with 811 views | sons_of_omri |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 14:42 - Nov 2 by Dr_Winston |
Today neatly demonstrated what some of us have been saying for a while. Tactical choices have been as much as, if not a bigger problem for us in recent games than the players. Injury forced Williams to do what he should have done ages ago.
Franco did more in that advanced role in one game than Cooper has in weeks. More intelligent running, more intelligent passing, neatly topped off by that through ball for Bianchini. There is absolutely no reason why he couldn't have been doing that job sooner. We had other midfield options. |
If we could clone Franco twice we’d have the best midfield in the championship bar none. When people continuously laud Grimes (though he was probably at his best yesterday) I wonder what the hell theyre looking at when next to him there’s a proper quality ball winner, ball player and midfield general all in one. | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:10 - Nov 3 with 803 views | sons_of_omri |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 07:47 - Nov 3 by jack247 |
I went yesterday due to my mates wife pulling a late sickie.
We were watching from closer to the pitch than I am at home and I’ll be honest, he didn’t impress me again.
He’s just second to everything and doesn’t physically impose himself. Even for his goal he was fortunate the centre back who was goal side of him couldn’t reach Ronalds cross.
He did make more effort to get involved in the build up which was great to see. I can’t accuse him of being unfit or static, which I have in the past, I just don’t think he reads the play very well and is often out of position or flat footed.
We can put the ‘give him service’ thing to bed too. He had plenty yesterday, though a lot of that is down to him getting more involved and making more runs.
I’ve criticised Bianchini too. Thought he looked good up front. May be an option going forward. |
He was unlucky not to get a second - denied only by a superb reflex save by their keeper. He actually got his first real service yesterday , em read the play and made himself available for a rap in. Can’t you at least be happy about that? | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:44 - Nov 3 with 745 views | union_jack |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 08:25 - Nov 3 by onehunglow |
10 mins,just ten minutes left .
Players were doing just fine |
The problem LW faces though is that if he doesn’t change and a key player picks up a soft tissue injury or something else then he’ll get “why keep them on when ewe were 2-0 up and cruising”. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. Luckily it worked out yesterday.
I do agree that maybe a phased introduction of subs may be a better way but what do I know? |  |
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| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:17 - Nov 3 with 699 views | Whiterockin |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:44 - Nov 3 by union_jack |
The problem LW faces though is that if he doesn’t change and a key player picks up a soft tissue injury or something else then he’ll get “why keep them on when ewe were 2-0 up and cruising”. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. Luckily it worked out yesterday.
I do agree that maybe a phased introduction of subs may be a better way but what do I know? |
With one sub used on 55 minutes and one on 72 minutes there was only one substitution slot left to make any further changes. The first two were "phased" the others there was no phasing option. Dammed if you do Dammed if you don't. With no Fulton on the bench the options were limited to hold the lead. | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:24 - Nov 3 with 685 views | RichardO |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:17 - Nov 3 by Whiterockin |
With one sub used on 55 minutes and one on 72 minutes there was only one substitution slot left to make any further changes. The first two were "phased" the others there was no phasing option. Dammed if you do Dammed if you don't. With no Fulton on the bench the options were limited to hold the lead. |
With Fulton, Cooper out, Franco and Allen not getting a full ninety then we need to have enough options to hold that midfield higher up the park instead of being pushed back.
Any thought as we need two players subbed in the middle each game at the moment so need two players.
Any thoughts? | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:29 - Nov 3 with 675 views | sons_of_omri |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:24 - Nov 3 by RichardO |
With Fulton, Cooper out, Franco and Allen not getting a full ninety then we need to have enough options to hold that midfield higher up the park instead of being pushed back.
Any thought as we need two players subbed in the middle each game at the moment so need two players.
Any thoughts? |
Stop Grimes hiding in between the two centre halves?? | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:33 - Nov 3 with 668 views | Dr_Winston |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:07 - Nov 3 by sons_of_omri |
If we could clone Franco twice we’d have the best midfield in the championship bar none. When people continuously laud Grimes (though he was probably at his best yesterday) I wonder what the hell theyre looking at when next to him there’s a proper quality ball winner, ball player and midfield general all in one. |
He was helped yesterday by having Allen in there as well, a much more intelligent user of the ball than Grimes will ever be. It released MG to do the simple defensive stuff, meant that he wasn't the one responsible for setting the tempo, and made sure that when he played a short pass to another midfielder he didn't automatically get it right back. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:56 - Nov 3 with 615 views | Whiterockin |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:24 - Nov 3 by RichardO |
With Fulton, Cooper out, Franco and Allen not getting a full ninety then we need to have enough options to hold that midfield higher up the park instead of being pushed back.
Any thought as we need two players subbed in the middle each game at the moment so need two players.
Any thoughts? |
We were 2-0 up with 10 minutes to go. We haven't conceded 2 goals in a league match all season. With another game on Tuesday Williams took a calculated risk that paid off. Personally I don't look for problems that are not there. Sometimes we over analyse games. | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:26 - Nov 3 with 559 views | jack247 |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:10 - Nov 3 by sons_of_omri |
He was unlucky not to get a second - denied only by a superb reflex save by their keeper. He actually got his first real service yesterday , em read the play and made himself available for a rap in. Can’t you at least be happy about that? |
I’m happy he scored and I’m happy we won. I don’t rate the player at all though.
He is young, he’s stepping up in quality and he’s probably learning the language as well, so nothing to say he won’t improve, but at the moment he needs to improve nearly every aspect of his game substantially.
The chance he nearly scored from was straight at the keeper from a couple of yards out. Not going to be overly critical on that, because it came at him fast and he did well to get it on target. Either side of the keeper from there and he does score. | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:38 - Nov 3 with 526 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Swansea have to be patient with the new guys and give them time to develop and improve . Piroe started on fire at roughly the same age but all players are different . |  |
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| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:42 - Nov 3 with 503 views | Whiterockin |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:38 - Nov 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Swansea have to be patient with the new guys and give them time to develop and improve . Piroe started on fire at roughly the same age but all players are different . |
There were major issues with Piroe when he first came here. His father needed to have a word, if he didn't have his father with him who knows what would have happened. | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:44 - Nov 3 with 497 views | jack247 |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:38 - Nov 3 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Swansea have to be patient with the new guys and give them time to develop and improve . Piroe started on fire at roughly the same age but all players are different . |
This is a fair comment. I think there’s a lot being expected of a player who doesn’t look like he’s ready for it.
He’s at the stage where he should be coming on for 10 minutes here and there, playing in the cup games and for the under 21s. We don’t have the option of being able to develop him gradually, he’s straight in at the deep end.
I’ll criticise his performances because they affect results, but I can understand he’s in a difficult position. | | | |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 14:06 - Nov 3 with 396 views | Legend83 |
| Oxford United v Swansea City : Match day thread on 12:44 - Nov 3 by jack247 |
This is a fair comment. I think there’s a lot being expected of a player who doesn’t look like he’s ready for it.
He’s at the stage where he should be coming on for 10 minutes here and there, playing in the cup games and for the under 21s. We don’t have the option of being able to develop him gradually, he’s straight in at the deep end.
I’ll criticise his performances because they affect results, but I can understand he’s in a difficult position. |
I don't think we can have it both ways with him though? For me he is never an impact sub as he doesn't have enough in his locker to create something out of nothing.
I think he's got fitter and sharper and now getting involved more / scoring because he's getting a run of games and playing plenty of minutes. | | | |
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