| Rest of the Championship thread 11:07 - Aug 10 with 68813 views | Hunterhoop |
Toyed with this idea last season. Shall we have a thread to discuss, comment on, cover the rest of the league? A place to discuss other teams’ results, performances, financial implosions, etc?
For example, last night, anyone catch either of the first two games? I didn’t. But somewhat surprised/worried Blackburn scored 4 given how they are meant to struggle. Was it Derby being utter sh*te?
Sounds like Preston are continuing in the same vein of being incredibly dull.
Clive, what do you think? Worth making a sticky? Might reduce the number of threads to manage. |  | | |  |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 21:39 - Nov 26 with 3165 views | loftboy |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 21:29 - Nov 26 by Northernr |
Another big night for Plymouth on the road. |
Hull and Oxford lost as well. |  |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 21:40 - Nov 26 with 3151 views | stevec |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 21:29 - Nov 26 by Northernr |
Another big night for Plymouth on the road. |
There’s a few of our competitors taking a heavy hit to their goal difference tonight.
Shame we’ve got a game too. |  | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 21:45 - Nov 26 with 3107 views | Northernr |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 21:40 - Nov 26 by stevec |
There’s a few of our competitors taking a heavy hit to their goal difference tonight.
Shame we’ve got a game too. |
Sets out home draw with Plymouth in context again though. They did an hour with ten men and stoppage time with nine against us and got a draw. And we didn't have many injuries at that point. |  | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:01 - Nov 26 with 2972 views | derbyhoop |
The results tonight couldn't have gone much better, PNE excepted.
All we have to do is conjure a couple of wins  |  |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:24 - Nov 26 with 2833 views | Lblock |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:01 - Nov 26 by derbyhoop |
The results tonight couldn't have gone much better, PNE excepted.
All we have to do is conjure a couple of wins |
Ah….. I’ve found a tiny flaw in your post… |  |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:28 - Nov 26 with 2812 views | Loyalitat |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:01 - Nov 26 by derbyhoop |
The results tonight couldn't have gone much better, PNE excepted.
All we have to do is conjure a couple of wins |
Tonight's sequence of results involving teams towards the bottom of the table, further highlights the crass decision to allow Celar to take Saturday's penalty. Deserved or not, we could have won that game if that penalty were scored with Cardiff next. |  | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:42 - Nov 26 with 2760 views | ManinBlack |
Plymouth's woeful form continues away from Home Park and Loftus Road where they pick up all their points. They are 6 points above us from picking up those extra points at their place with stoppage time goals. Rarely we score after 90 minutes to get bonus points as the Stoke game demonstrated. |  | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:55 - Nov 26 with 2725 views | kensalriser |
Feels like the bar is getting lower all the time. We have to win a game sooner or later don't we? |  |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 23:00 - Nov 26 with 2703 views | Northernr |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:55 - Nov 26 by kensalriser |
Feels like the bar is getting lower all the time. We have to win a game sooner or later don't we? |
There’s some rotten teams for sure. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 23:11 - Nov 26 with 2673 views | kensalriser |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 23:00 - Nov 26 by Northernr |
There’s some rotten teams for sure. |
Well, a point per game usually puts you in or right next to the drop zone, at the moment it's 17th. | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 07:37 - Nov 27 with 2389 views | derbyhoop |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 23:11 - Nov 26 by kensalriser |
Well, a point per game usually puts you in or right next to the drop zone, at the moment it's 17th. |
To get to safety we will need minimum 39 points from 31 remaining games. | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 07:57 - Nov 27 with 2328 views | dmm |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 07:37 - Nov 27 by derbyhoop |
To get to safety we will need minimum 39 points from 31 remaining games. |
The average points needed for 21st place over the last 10 seasons is 47 points, so maybe another 36 points will see us safe. But, that we're already looking longingly at finishing as the 4th worst team in the Championship shows just how much of a shit show we are at the moment. |  | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 08:29 - Nov 27 with 2239 views | stevec |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 22:28 - Nov 26 by Loyalitat |
Tonight's sequence of results involving teams towards the bottom of the table, further highlights the crass decision to allow Celar to take Saturday's penalty. Deserved or not, we could have won that game if that penalty were scored with Cardiff next. |
I have a theory that Celars penalty miss actually gained us a point.
If we’d equalised that early Stoke would have had the best part of an hour to rampage all over us. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 17:03 - Nov 27 with 2016 views | stevec |
Hull clearly don’t like being dragged into the bottom 3. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 17:26 - Nov 27 with 1947 views | EastR |
Cause for optimism in these dark days
There are six teams in the league who have lost more games than us this season, including tonight's opponents. | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 23:36 - Nov 27 with 1765 views | eastside_r |
Hull have sacked their manager. |  | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 23:41 - Nov 27 with 1733 views | ManinBlack |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 23:36 - Nov 27 by eastside_r |
Hull have sacked their manager. |
Hardly surprising. They haven't won any league game since their success at Loftus Road. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 12:33 - Nov 28 with 1528 views | Hunterhoop |
Who do we think will be involved in the relegation fight come March/April then?
I suspect it’ll be the following:
Portsmouth
Plymouth
Oxford
Us
Derby
Preston
At a push, maybe Stoke.
I think the top two will drop. I think the 3rd spot will probably between us and Oxford.
If we stay up would love to see Preston drop. Bored and tired of them. Sod’s Law if we go down they’ll come with us! | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 13:16 - Nov 28 with 1465 views | kensalriser |
Current bottom seven plus whichever other team gets dragged in late on, Stoke or Wednesday, maybe Derby. Don't see Luton or Cov in any real danger.
As ever there'll be extravagant claims about how many points will be needed to stay up, although the pace is slower than usual right now and there's some desperately poor form in that bottom seven (Hull, 2 points from six, Oxford 3). | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 14:12 - Nov 28 with 1373 views | Hunterhoop |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 13:16 - Nov 28 by kensalriser |
Current bottom seven plus whichever other team gets dragged in late on, Stoke or Wednesday, maybe Derby. Don't see Luton or Cov in any real danger.
As ever there'll be extravagant claims about how many points will be needed to stay up, although the pace is slower than usual right now and there's some desperately poor form in that bottom seven (Hull, 2 points from six, Oxford 3). |
Well, I disagree. Last year there was just logic in forecasting a high amount needed to survive.
This year? Looking at the league, it would not surprise me if it could be a year where you stay up on a low total like 44. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 14:24 - Nov 28 with 1344 views | Hunterhoop |
Over the last 10 years you needed the following to stay up (ignoring GD)
2023/24 - 51 points
2022/23 - 45 (although Cardiff were 21st on 49)
2021/22 - 38 !! (although Reading were 21st on 41)
2020/21 - 44
2019/20 - 49
2018/19 - 41 (although Millwall were 21st on 44)
2017/18 - 42
2016/17 - 52 (although Forest were 21st and stayed up on GD (2 goals) on 51 points.
2015/16 - 41 (although Rotherham were 21st and stayed up on 49)
2014/15 - 42 (although Rotherham were 21st and stayed up on 46)
So over the last decade, you have only needed to reach 50 points twice, one of which was last year, so last season was undeniably the correct year to worry about the survival target. 7/10 years you would have stayed up with under 46 points, so less than a point per game.
Basically, usually you have to be very sh*t to get relegated. It’s quite an achievement. | | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 14:38 - Nov 28 with 1302 views | TheChef |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 14:24 - Nov 28 by Hunterhoop |
Over the last 10 years you needed the following to stay up (ignoring GD)
2023/24 - 51 points
2022/23 - 45 (although Cardiff were 21st on 49)
2021/22 - 38 !! (although Reading were 21st on 41)
2020/21 - 44
2019/20 - 49
2018/19 - 41 (although Millwall were 21st on 44)
2017/18 - 42
2016/17 - 52 (although Forest were 21st and stayed up on GD (2 goals) on 51 points.
2015/16 - 41 (although Rotherham were 21st and stayed up on 49)
2014/15 - 42 (although Rotherham were 21st and stayed up on 46)
So over the last decade, you have only needed to reach 50 points twice, one of which was last year, so last season was undeniably the correct year to worry about the survival target. 7/10 years you would have stayed up with under 46 points, so less than a point per game.
Basically, usually you have to be very sh*t to get relegated. It’s quite an achievement. |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 15:00 - Nov 28 with 1211 views | derbyhoop |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 14:24 - Nov 28 by Hunterhoop |
Over the last 10 years you needed the following to stay up (ignoring GD)
2023/24 - 51 points
2022/23 - 45 (although Cardiff were 21st on 49)
2021/22 - 38 !! (although Reading were 21st on 41)
2020/21 - 44
2019/20 - 49
2018/19 - 41 (although Millwall were 21st on 44)
2017/18 - 42
2016/17 - 52 (although Forest were 21st and stayed up on GD (2 goals) on 51 points.
2015/16 - 41 (although Rotherham were 21st and stayed up on 49)
2014/15 - 42 (although Rotherham were 21st and stayed up on 46)
So over the last decade, you have only needed to reach 50 points twice, one of which was last year, so last season was undeniably the correct year to worry about the survival target. 7/10 years you would have stayed up with under 46 points, so less than a point per game.
Basically, usually you have to be very sh*t to get relegated. It’s quite an achievement. |
Averages out at 45. I'd rather see us get 50+ though | |
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| Rest of the Championship thread on 15:20 - Nov 28 with 1157 views | TomMorgz7 |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 13:16 - Nov 28 by kensalriser |
Current bottom seven plus whichever other team gets dragged in late on, Stoke or Wednesday, maybe Derby. Don't see Luton or Cov in any real danger.
As ever there'll be extravagant claims about how many points will be needed to stay up, although the pace is slower than usual right now and there's some desperately poor form in that bottom seven (Hull, 2 points from six, Oxford 3). |
I'd agree with Luton, and usually would with Cov... but Lampard is not a manager I'd want to be giving the reigns to in their position. He's like Parker and spends as much as possible to succeed, and even then doesn't look comfortable. I'm v interested to see how that goes with them, but I'd expect them to be down here for the foreseeable. |  | | |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 15:45 - Nov 28 with 1077 views | kensalriser |
| Rest of the Championship thread on 14:24 - Nov 28 by Hunterhoop |
Over the last 10 years you needed the following to stay up (ignoring GD)
2023/24 - 51 points
2022/23 - 45 (although Cardiff were 21st on 49)
2021/22 - 38 !! (although Reading were 21st on 41)
2020/21 - 44
2019/20 - 49
2018/19 - 41 (although Millwall were 21st on 44)
2017/18 - 42
2016/17 - 52 (although Forest were 21st and stayed up on GD (2 goals) on 51 points.
2015/16 - 41 (although Rotherham were 21st and stayed up on 49)
2014/15 - 42 (although Rotherham were 21st and stayed up on 46)
So over the last decade, you have only needed to reach 50 points twice, one of which was last year, so last season was undeniably the correct year to worry about the survival target. 7/10 years you would have stayed up with under 46 points, so less than a point per game.
Basically, usually you have to be very sh*t to get relegated. It’s quite an achievement. |
I bored myself banging on about this last season, but those stats are misleading without taking into account points deductions (as deductions cannot be relied on).
So 22/23 50 points would have been needed, in 21/22 it would have been 47. 50 as a target is perfectly reasonable, but last season people were bandying around totals in the high 50s.
This year the pace is well off, which isn't surprising given the number of teams involved in the attritional mid to lower table slug fest.
You do need to be poor to go down, we can agree on that. Look how often we've survived! [Post edited 28 Nov 15:48]
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