| General Election Thread 17:46 - May 22 with 218101 views | loftboy |
This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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| General Election Thread on 10:19 - Jun 15 with 1236 views | dmm |
| General Election Thread on 10:07 - Jun 15 by essextaxiboy |
I heard on the radio yesterday that the Greens would introduce a frequent flyer levy allowing you one levy free flight a year . The next one would would carry a levy of 25 quid and go up from there up to a maximum of a £585 levy on each flight . |
It's long overdue. Aviation is the fastest-growing source of CO2 emissions, and it’s the wealthiest driving this trend. In the UK, around 15% of people take 70% of all flights, and they are the wealthy.
We simply can't allow rich people to keep on living like that. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 10:19 - Jun 15 with 1235 views | loftboy |
| General Election Thread on 10:07 - Jun 15 by essextaxiboy |
I heard on the radio yesterday that the Greens would introduce a frequent flyer levy allowing you one levy free flight a year . The next one would would carry a levy of 25 quid and go up from there up to a maximum of a £585 levy on each flight . |
Would that be return or one way? Total Bollocks really, you get premier league teams flying internally when train could do the same trip, politicians off on their jollies and rich people jetting off in their private planes, but let’s hammer a family that dare to have two holidays a year. | |
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| General Election Thread on 10:30 - Jun 15 with 1224 views | essextaxiboy |
| General Election Thread on 10:19 - Jun 15 by loftboy |
Would that be return or one way? Total Bollocks really, you get premier league teams flying internally when train could do the same trip, politicians off on their jollies and rich people jetting off in their private planes, but let’s hammer a family that dare to have two holidays a year. |
It was on LBC
Ferrari asked him if it was a return and he said no , so 100 quid on a four person holiday . |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 10:46 - Jun 15 with 1191 views | stevec |
| General Election Thread on 09:38 - Jun 15 by dmm |
I know! Isn't it great? A party with proper left wing policies like taxing the mega wealthy, providing for the most vulnerable, taking the climate crisis seriously and being prepared to change our outdated electoral system so we have a real representative political system instead of one in name only.
Thanks for pointing this out. |
The Greens are effectively Momentum these days having largely been kicked out of the Labour Party.
No harm really, a nice place for the Idealists to dance around the Maypole. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 11:05 - Jun 15 with 1151 views | hubble |
| General Election Thread on 09:38 - Jun 15 by dmm |
I know! Isn't it great? A party with proper left wing policies like taxing the mega wealthy, providing for the most vulnerable, taking the climate crisis seriously and being prepared to change our outdated electoral system so we have a real representative political system instead of one in name only.
Thanks for pointing this out. |
It's certainly quasi-Marxist.
Lots of things they're going to force us to do, in the fortunately unlikely event they get into power. However what concerns me most about the Greens is how they have been infiltrated by all sorts of other radical causes. That recent clip of the newly elected Islamic 'Green' councillor and his followers chanting 'Alluhah Akbar" was chilling.
And then you have their obsessive allegiance to the radical trans activist movement, which has even led to them expelling their own female members who have dared to speak out about the Green Party's support of this, over actual women's rights. Part of this saga played out in public, and is reported here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67546751
The Greens seem to have abandoned the path of reason and sensible environmentalism in favour of radical extremism. This reflects the 'hard left' side of the Labour Party, who are equally scary in their ideological zeal.
Before climate change became coopted by the 'powers that would be' (the WEF and their ilk, including most Western govts.) as a trojan horse for new ways to control the masses, I liked the Greens and supported much of their common sense environmentalism, but that has been lost now in a mishmash of things that seem closer to cultism than anything approaching common sense.
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| General Election Thread on 11:20 - Jun 15 with 1120 views | loftboy |
| General Election Thread on 10:19 - Jun 15 by dmm |
It's long overdue. Aviation is the fastest-growing source of CO2 emissions, and it’s the wealthiest driving this trend. In the UK, around 15% of people take 70% of all flights, and they are the wealthy.
We simply can't allow rich people to keep on living like that. |
But even one hundred quid on a flight to multi millionaires is nothing, the only people this will affect is the hard working people who save up all year for one or two holidays in the sun for a bit of rest and chill time round the pool. | |
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| General Election Thread on 11:39 - Jun 15 with 1073 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| General Election Thread on 11:05 - Jun 15 by hubble |
It's certainly quasi-Marxist.
Lots of things they're going to force us to do, in the fortunately unlikely event they get into power. However what concerns me most about the Greens is how they have been infiltrated by all sorts of other radical causes. That recent clip of the newly elected Islamic 'Green' councillor and his followers chanting 'Alluhah Akbar" was chilling.
And then you have their obsessive allegiance to the radical trans activist movement, which has even led to them expelling their own female members who have dared to speak out about the Green Party's support of this, over actual women's rights. Part of this saga played out in public, and is reported here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67546751
The Greens seem to have abandoned the path of reason and sensible environmentalism in favour of radical extremism. This reflects the 'hard left' side of the Labour Party, who are equally scary in their ideological zeal.
Before climate change became coopted by the 'powers that would be' (the WEF and their ilk, including most Western govts.) as a trojan horse for new ways to control the masses, I liked the Greens and supported much of their common sense environmentalism, but that has been lost now in a mishmash of things that seem closer to cultism than anything approaching common sense.
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Assuming all this is true (it isn't) can you blame people for turning to radical causes? [Post edited 15 Jun 11:41]
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| General Election Thread on 11:45 - Jun 15 with 1063 views | dmm |
| General Election Thread on 11:05 - Jun 15 by hubble |
It's certainly quasi-Marxist.
Lots of things they're going to force us to do, in the fortunately unlikely event they get into power. However what concerns me most about the Greens is how they have been infiltrated by all sorts of other radical causes. That recent clip of the newly elected Islamic 'Green' councillor and his followers chanting 'Alluhah Akbar" was chilling.
And then you have their obsessive allegiance to the radical trans activist movement, which has even led to them expelling their own female members who have dared to speak out about the Green Party's support of this, over actual women's rights. Part of this saga played out in public, and is reported here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67546751
The Greens seem to have abandoned the path of reason and sensible environmentalism in favour of radical extremism. This reflects the 'hard left' side of the Labour Party, who are equally scary in their ideological zeal.
Before climate change became coopted by the 'powers that would be' (the WEF and their ilk, including most Western govts.) as a trojan horse for new ways to control the masses, I liked the Greens and supported much of their common sense environmentalism, but that has been lost now in a mishmash of things that seem closer to cultism than anything approaching common sense.
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What would the Greens force you to do?
I know little of the Green councillor you mention. Is he a 'radical'? I don't know, but doubt it. However, I do know the term "Alluhah Akbar" is one that is used by most Muslims in all sorts of ways such as the birth of a child, completing a fast, or getting a wage rise. There's actually no reason at all to feel chilled by it.
The Greens believe in the right of self-identification for trans and non-binary people. They also believe in standing up against misogyny and violence against women and girls. Like many others, you have a different view to them but as a relatively new issue, the trans debate has yet to be bottomed out and needs a lot more research and discussion.
And Climate Change... Wouldn't it be common sense to listen to and follow the actual science? When 99% of scientists in all climate related fields tell us we're in an existential crisis, wouldn't taking immediate and effective action to prevent a global catastrophe be the only thing to do? Those who are anti-science or believe in Climate pseudo-science or have some kind of conspiratorial theory about this issue are the ones tending toward cultism. | | | |
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| General Election Thread on 12:09 - Jun 15 with 1018 views | dmm |
| General Election Thread on 11:20 - Jun 15 by loftboy |
But even one hundred quid on a flight to multi millionaires is nothing, the only people this will affect is the hard working people who save up all year for one or two holidays in the sun for a bit of rest and chill time round the pool. |
I get your point and personally would like to see far tougher measures on the most frequent flyers, particularly those that use private planes as they are the worst polluters.
The way a frequent flyer levy would work is the first flight you take, departing flight that is, would have no tax, the second one would have a relatively low rate, say £10, the third £20, fourth £40, fifth £80 - it either doubles or goes up in large increments. So for most, an annual holiday abroad wouldn't be massively affected.
However, everyone who can fly (and remember there is a significant number of people in the world who will never be able to afford to fly) needs to be prepared to reduce the flights they take because of the climate crisis. The choice between taking a flight anytime you want and having a liveable world isn't difficult, is it? | | | |
| General Election Thread on 12:10 - Jun 15 with 1015 views | essextaxiboy |
| General Election Thread on 09:38 - Jun 15 by dmm |
I know! Isn't it great? A party with proper left wing policies like taxing the mega wealthy, providing for the most vulnerable, taking the climate crisis seriously and being prepared to change our outdated electoral system so we have a real representative political system instead of one in name only.
Thanks for pointing this out. |
Under PR UKIP would have got around 60 seats in 2015 . Their vote share was bigger than the SNP and Lib Dems combined who ended up with 64 combined seats .
Its not only smaller left wing parties that would benefit from a change . I dont want Farage anywhere near Parliament. [Post edited 15 Jun 12:11]
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| General Election Thread on 12:16 - Jun 15 with 1006 views | essextaxiboy |
| General Election Thread on 12:09 - Jun 15 by dmm |
I get your point and personally would like to see far tougher measures on the most frequent flyers, particularly those that use private planes as they are the worst polluters.
The way a frequent flyer levy would work is the first flight you take, departing flight that is, would have no tax, the second one would have a relatively low rate, say £10, the third £20, fourth £40, fifth £80 - it either doubles or goes up in large increments. So for most, an annual holiday abroad wouldn't be massively affected.
However, everyone who can fly (and remember there is a significant number of people in the world who will never be able to afford to fly) needs to be prepared to reduce the flights they take because of the climate crisis. The choice between taking a flight anytime you want and having a liveable world isn't difficult, is it? |
I may have mis heard but I thought he said the maximum levy would apply over 10 flight per year .
I am not wealthy but I have a son living and working in Zurich who still holds his ST and flies back for a few games a year and we go out for the Christmas markets . I have a seriously ill relative in Madrid who we visit every 2 or 3 months .One sunshine holiday in September .
That s few quid for just an ordinary family | | | |
| General Election Thread on 12:35 - Jun 15 with 970 views | Northernr |
| General Election Thread on 12:09 - Jun 15 by dmm |
I get your point and personally would like to see far tougher measures on the most frequent flyers, particularly those that use private planes as they are the worst polluters.
The way a frequent flyer levy would work is the first flight you take, departing flight that is, would have no tax, the second one would have a relatively low rate, say £10, the third £20, fourth £40, fifth £80 - it either doubles or goes up in large increments. So for most, an annual holiday abroad wouldn't be massively affected.
However, everyone who can fly (and remember there is a significant number of people in the world who will never be able to afford to fly) needs to be prepared to reduce the flights they take because of the climate crisis. The choice between taking a flight anytime you want and having a liveable world isn't difficult, is it? |
Me too. I think it's ridiculous the amount of flights there are between destinations in a small country like ours. It's scandalous that Premier league football clubs fly everywhere - Leicester fly for Norwich away for goodness sake.
But this comes back to something I said earlier. Things are complicated and nuanced, but people want to pretend there are easy answers. We don't want Johnny Foreigner - fine. But we also can't answer how we'd staff care homes, hospitals, hospitality, farms etc.
It's easy to say we'd ban domestic flights, heavily levy frequent flyers etc. But what does the alternative look like? The trains from London to Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen etc are slow, over crowded, unaffordable and unreliable. The planes are frequent, cheap, quick, and have capacity. If it's £30 on EasyJet or £130 on LNER, what you gonna do?
In France you can turn around and say we're banning domestic flights quite easily because they've invested and built a viable, affordable, fast alternative. Their rail system is absolutely unbelievable, and you can just glide around the whole country at super high speed, luxurious comfort, in a train with a fcking panoramic bar carriage in it. Frequent, cheap, fast, smooth. A beautiful experience. Here you cram yourself into an overcrowded, 30 year old, diesel Avanti Voyager service running under electric cables - when it runs at all - and it costs you £200+ to get to Preston.
You build the alternative infrastructure, then you hammer people who choose not to use it. As I understand it the Greens also oppose HS2.
So no internal flights, fine I'm with you, you've got my vote. But also we don't want HS2? That's not a serious policy from serious people.
I actually don't think I've heard anybody mention trains once in this election campaign really. And it's such an easy fcking win because they're so extortionate and so crap atm that you can't help but improve them whatever you do, apart from doing nothing of course.
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| General Election Thread on 12:35 - Jun 15 with 967 views | FDC |
Sometimes I wonder how the country got into such a mess. Then i see people are describing a piddling increase in taxation in order to fix public services as Marxism. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 12:43 - Jun 15 with 1640 views | Northernr |
| General Election Thread on 12:35 - Jun 15 by FDC |
Sometimes I wonder how the country got into such a mess. Then i see people are describing a piddling increase in taxation in order to fix public services as Marxism. |
As I said higher up I think watching them all pretend they're going to improve crumbling public services while also reducing taxes is just economics for a fcking bottom set year 7 maths class. It's not a serious debate. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 12:43 - Jun 15 with 1633 views | Paddyhoops |
| General Election Thread on 07:42 - Jun 15 by StreathamRanger |
My mum's care home in Wimbledon is staffed almost entirely by immigrants. It treats it's staff well and pays above market rate but still mainly staffed by young men and women from Indian subcontinent. They are hard working, kind and patient and work with some very challenging behaviour from the residents with dementia (including my mum). I'm very grateful that they decided to come and work in the UK despite the frosty reception they receive from many people. If we only allowed skilled labour in then the care system would be totally screwed. No way the 'native' British could or would even want to fill all the vacancies in care homes. |
Very similar situation in my case with my mother in law who herself came here in the 50s. She was
A lovely German lady with a wicked sense of humour.
She was looked after in various care homes by people who had come from abroad.
In most cases brilliantly.
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| General Election Thread on 12:52 - Jun 15 with 1588 views | hubble |
| General Election Thread on 11:39 - Jun 15 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Assuming all this is true (it isn't) can you blame people for turning to radical causes? [Post edited 15 Jun 11:41]
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What do you mean "Assuming all this is true (it isn't)..."
It is!
I've already linked to what happened when the Green party ejected women who they deem "Gender critical" and to be honest, that's the tip of the iceberg in regard to that issue within the Green party as well as much of the Labour party. Although I am not surprised to find that so many men are oblivious to this. Women's rights are so under threat that women have even formed their own political party to defend their rights.
As for the Green muslim councillor who along with his comrades chanted Allahu Akbar" upon his recent election, that is also a fact. I have tried to find a video source that you will find acceptable, but (perhaps unsurprisingly) the favoured BBC/Guardian channels don't seem to carry it, so here it is from the much-despised Daily Mail. Nevertheless, it happened:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-3182303/Video-Green-Party-councillo [Post edited 15 Jun 13:27]
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| General Election Thread on 12:55 - Jun 15 with 1590 views | dmm |
| General Election Thread on 12:10 - Jun 15 by essextaxiboy |
Under PR UKIP would have got around 60 seats in 2015 . Their vote share was bigger than the SNP and Lib Dems combined who ended up with 64 combined seats .
Its not only smaller left wing parties that would benefit from a change . I dont want Farage anywhere near Parliament. [Post edited 15 Jun 12:11]
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I understand your point and, as you'd expect, I wouldn't want Farage or his ilk anywhere near Parliament either.
But, the possibility of having someone like Farage in Parliament is the trade off when having a proper democratic representation under PR. The challenge would be to win the argument against people like him whether that be inside or outside the HoC. I would be prepared to accept this and polls show today the majority of the public wants PR too. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 12:59 - Jun 15 with 1580 views | dmm |
| General Election Thread on 12:16 - Jun 15 by essextaxiboy |
I may have mis heard but I thought he said the maximum levy would apply over 10 flight per year .
I am not wealthy but I have a son living and working in Zurich who still holds his ST and flies back for a few games a year and we go out for the Christmas markets . I have a seriously ill relative in Madrid who we visit every 2 or 3 months .One sunshine holiday in September .
That s few quid for just an ordinary family |
I have a son and his family in Graz, Austria and a son and his family in New Jersey, US. So I know the personal problems. But, as said, is the choice between flying whenever you want and having a liveable planet such a difficult one to make? | | | |
| General Election Thread on 13:07 - Jun 15 with 1550 views | dmm |
| General Election Thread on 12:35 - Jun 15 by Northernr |
Me too. I think it's ridiculous the amount of flights there are between destinations in a small country like ours. It's scandalous that Premier league football clubs fly everywhere - Leicester fly for Norwich away for goodness sake.
But this comes back to something I said earlier. Things are complicated and nuanced, but people want to pretend there are easy answers. We don't want Johnny Foreigner - fine. But we also can't answer how we'd staff care homes, hospitals, hospitality, farms etc.
It's easy to say we'd ban domestic flights, heavily levy frequent flyers etc. But what does the alternative look like? The trains from London to Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen etc are slow, over crowded, unaffordable and unreliable. The planes are frequent, cheap, quick, and have capacity. If it's £30 on EasyJet or £130 on LNER, what you gonna do?
In France you can turn around and say we're banning domestic flights quite easily because they've invested and built a viable, affordable, fast alternative. Their rail system is absolutely unbelievable, and you can just glide around the whole country at super high speed, luxurious comfort, in a train with a fcking panoramic bar carriage in it. Frequent, cheap, fast, smooth. A beautiful experience. Here you cram yourself into an overcrowded, 30 year old, diesel Avanti Voyager service running under electric cables - when it runs at all - and it costs you £200+ to get to Preston.
You build the alternative infrastructure, then you hammer people who choose not to use it. As I understand it the Greens also oppose HS2.
So no internal flights, fine I'm with you, you've got my vote. But also we don't want HS2? That's not a serious policy from serious people.
I actually don't think I've heard anybody mention trains once in this election campaign really. And it's such an easy fcking win because they're so extortionate and so crap atm that you can't help but improve them whatever you do, apart from doing nothing of course.
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You are right, of course, Clive. These issues are complex and debating them on social media is almost pointless. But the climate crisis is such an important issue I will always give it a go.
Trains are the way to go but you're right about the shocking state of the train network in the UK. You'll know first hand with all the travel you do. That said, this past week I traveled to and from Glasgow by train and it was fine.
The answer clearly is to start building a new nationalised train network tomorrow. It would take many years but, as I keep saying, is the choice of flying whenever you want and having a liveable planet a difficult one to take? | | | |
| General Election Thread on 13:17 - Jun 15 with 1524 views | FDC |
Regarding the Green Party and HS2:
I spent a brieft period as a member in 2008 or so, and there is a wide spectrum of members, from ecosocilaists to NIMBY-preservationist types. The Green Party has a uniquely decentralised model, which is admirable in manner ways, but does mean messaging can be muddled. As I understand it the opposition to HS2 is specific to a short section that passes through some particularly ancient forest or something, and is a concession to that fragment of the party. Under a different Party structure I suspect the support for HS2 would be less ambiguous, as it is clearly a net benefit and exactly the kind of infrastructure project a progressive country that takes climate change seriously should be doing. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 13:18 - Jun 15 with 1518 views | hubble |
| General Election Thread on 11:45 - Jun 15 by dmm |
What would the Greens force you to do?
I know little of the Green councillor you mention. Is he a 'radical'? I don't know, but doubt it. However, I do know the term "Alluhah Akbar" is one that is used by most Muslims in all sorts of ways such as the birth of a child, completing a fast, or getting a wage rise. There's actually no reason at all to feel chilled by it.
The Greens believe in the right of self-identification for trans and non-binary people. They also believe in standing up against misogyny and violence against women and girls. Like many others, you have a different view to them but as a relatively new issue, the trans debate has yet to be bottomed out and needs a lot more research and discussion.
And Climate Change... Wouldn't it be common sense to listen to and follow the actual science? When 99% of scientists in all climate related fields tell us we're in an existential crisis, wouldn't taking immediate and effective action to prevent a global catastrophe be the only thing to do? Those who are anti-science or believe in Climate pseudo-science or have some kind of conspiratorial theory about this issue are the ones tending toward cultism. |
The fact you "know little of the Green councillor" is very telling. The middle class Greens seem to have their head in the sand around all sorts of elements of what the modern Green party stands for. I have posted a link to the video above. Do you think he's geniunely standing for Green issues? Try to remove your blinkers and have a think about what is going on here.
Regarding the "right of self-identification for trans and non-binary people" - you equally seem oblivious that this is actually threatening the very thing you say the Greens stand for in your very next sentence: "They also believe in standing up against misogyny and violence against women and girls."
The fact that you are apparently unable to see, or are unaware, of how so much of the trans movement is actually misogynistic (it's being driven by men, regardless of how they 'identify') and comes freighted with a huge amount of violence towards women. If you actually followed this, or even talked to women who feel threatened on so many levels by the trans movement, I doubt you'd be so blase about it. But since I assume you do care about women's rights, I suggest you look into this - again - if possible - without prejudice.
There is a very wide demographic of women (from hard-left lesbians to middle-class Daily Mail mums) who are all in agreement about the threat to women's rights, the encroachment of men (self-identifying men) into women and girls spaces, and far worse, including violence, threats and rape. With respect, I suggest you wise up on this issue.
Regarding climate change, I am not surprised you have rolled out the old 99% of scientists agree cliche and your reaction to anything that might divert from what I consider your blinkered cultism to be 'conspiratorial' as opposed to what it actually is, which is sceptical. But here's the interesting thing: I am absolutely for cleaning up the environment, for removing plastics at every level, for the end of toxic waste, for better farming practices and for so many other things you also believe in. But what I am not for is a completely pie in the sky idea that you can do anything significant by reducing the amount of CO2 that we produce. There NO proof this will do anything, because it is not provable. Our planet is not some kind of mechanical thing that you can fix by tweaking the carburettor, it is far, far more complex than that and all that the Net Zero policy really promises to do is to threaten our energy security (more on that below) and cost ordinary people a hell of a lot.
And then there's the issue that, again, you seem oblivious to how this has been entirely co-opted by the 'powers that would be' (who still love to travel to Davos in their private jets where they entertain Greta and the rest), because, well as I said... it's just another means to tax, control us, limit our freedom of movement.... and more... but as I say, you appear to oblivious to this. Because, well... 99% (it's nowhere near that consensus in reality, btw). And also just to add, climate change is entirely natural (there is no 'right or wrong climate, it just changes over time and has done forever, and there have been far more extreme changes, even in the recent past - look at what happened in the recent ice ages) and then it seems that you (and the whole CO2 lobby) are discounting the fact that the planet exists in its own homeostasis. It is supreme human arrogance to assume we can tweak it with net zero.
I would just like to go on to say how potentially dangerous I think the Green and Labour party energy policies are in terms of energy security, by looking at what's happened in New Zealand, where I shall quote from a recent article:
"Sir Keir Starmer is standing by a pledge to ban new drilling in the North Sea, despite New Zealand abandoning a similar policy amid blackout fears.
Labour’s manifesto, due out on Thursday, will feature a pledge to block all new licensing for oil and gas as one of its key energy policies.
The party “will not be issuing licences to explore new [oil and gas] fields as we accelerate to clean power”, a Labour spokesman confirmed on Tuesday.
It follows last weekend’s announcement that New Zealand’s government was lifting a ban on new oil and gas exploration.
The ban was announced by former prime minister Jacinda Ardern in 2018. “The world has moved on from fossil fuels,” Ardern proclaimed at the time.
New Zealand’s trailblazing policy, which was the first of its kind, became a key inspiration for the Labour Party’s own plan.
However, some in the party are now questioning the commitment after New Zealand resources minister Shane Jones last weekend denounced its own ban as a disaster – and revoked it.
It followed three years of rising energy prices that have left 110,000 households unable to warm their homes, 19pc of households struggling with bills and 40,000 of them having their power cut off due to unpaid bills, according to Consumer NZ.
Since April the situation has further deteriorated: Transpower, the equivalent of our National Grid, warned that the nation was at high risk of blackouts.
New Zealand’s shift to renewables meant it no longer had the generating power to keep the lights on during the cold spells that mark the Antipodean winter, said Transpower, as it begged consumers to cut their electricity consumption."
Full article: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/06/12/jacinda-ardern-new-zealand-black [Post edited 15 Jun 13:24]
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| General Election Thread on 13:22 - Jun 15 with 1520 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Careful what you wish for regarding PR. The small parties are usually extreme/hard left or right and getting only a few seats can give them a disproportionate amount of power when it comes to supporting larger parties forming a government.
Across Europe we have countries that now have extremist parties in or close to power. Will France be next? 16% of 16 to 24 year old in Germany voted AdF.
However, in the UK we have a system that ensures stability and we should be thankful we have that despite all its faults.
Oh, and the Europeans have historically always loved a man in a silly military uniform with loads of medals. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 13:29 - Jun 15 with 1499 views | FDC |
| General Election Thread on 12:43 - Jun 15 by Northernr |
As I said higher up I think watching them all pretend they're going to improve crumbling public services while also reducing taxes is just economics for a fcking bottom set year 7 maths class. It's not a serious debate. |
Starmer has made it very clear that he will simply grow the economy. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 13:30 - Jun 15 with 1485 views | hubble |
Missed out this from above quoted article:
" The threat to New Zealand’s energy security comes despite the fact that geologists have discovered billions of cubic metres of natural gas in the seabeds around the country.
Sean Rush, a leading New Zealand barrister specialising in petroleum licensing law and climate litigation, called the oil and gas ban “economic vandalism at its worst in exchange for virtue signalling at its finest”.
Rush warned Labour off a copycat policy, saying: “There will be no benefits to UK energy security by banning new exploration drilling. You will simply disown an industry in which the UK has been world-leading.”
Jones said last week: “Natural gas is critical to keeping our lights on and our economy running, especially during peak electricity demand and when generation dips because of more intermittent sources like wind, solar and hydro.”
Such warnings are echoed by energy experts in the UK, where over 75pc of total energy consumed still comes from oil and gas.
Half comes from UK waters – but it too will drop off a cliff if Labour implements a ban on new drilling, warns the industry.
Offshore Energies UK (OEUK), a trade body, says there are about 280 active oil and gas fields in UK waters – of which 180 are due to shut down by 2030.
Without new ones to replace them, UK gas production is predicted to more than halve by the end of the decade.
Jenny Stanning, director of external affairs at OEUK, says exploration is essential to simply slowing the decline in output.
“The New Zealand experience shows how important it is for countries to carefully manage energy transition and energy security. We will need oil and gas for decades to come so it makes sense to back our own industry rather than ramping up imports from abroad.” | |
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| General Election Thread on 13:45 - Jun 15 with 1456 views | stinkydad |
| General Election Thread on 12:35 - Jun 15 by FDC |
Sometimes I wonder how the country got into such a mess. Then i see people are describing a piddling increase in taxation in order to fix public services as Marxism. |
Personally, I'd happily pay more tax if it meant real improvements to health & social services, public transport etc.. I just don't trust anyone to be able to deliver those things. |  | | |
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