| HS2 19:11 - Sep 23 with 1613 views | Gwyn737 |
Looks like the Manchester leg is being scrapped, on top of it not ending in Euston or Birmingham New Street.
So we’ll have a train running from QPR to just outside Birmingham City centre, with the time made up lost by having to get to these stations.
It’s going to cost 2 Liz Truss budgets. [Post edited 23 Sep 2023 19:16]
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| HS2 on 19:14 - Sep 23 with 1602 views | SullutaCreturned |
What an absolute disaster this thing has been. How these politicians can get away with it is criminal.
So much money wasted o something that very many people seemed to agree was always a white elephant.
All those people who wanted to shave 30 mins off their travelling, if it was for business they could have saved the time of the entire journey and the expense by having the meeting online. | | | |
| HS2 on 19:51 - Sep 23 with 1572 views | Boundy |
| HS2 on 19:14 - Sep 23 by SullutaCreturned |
What an absolute disaster this thing has been. How these politicians can get away with it is criminal.
So much money wasted o something that very many people seemed to agree was always a white elephant.
All those people who wanted to shave 30 mins off their travelling, if it was for business they could have saved the time of the entire journey and the expense by having the meeting online. |
Sinch when did common sense override wasting taxpayers money.Yet another (but not required) promised project consigned to the dustbin we call the UK | |
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| HS2 on 19:59 - Sep 23 with 1566 views | RhonddaSwans |
Well I expect the Rhondda leg of electric tracks being placed to be scrapped at some point.
We were still running pacers up here when we had a train service.
While England is getting ultra electric trains?
What a joke.
HS2 was a vanity project. | |
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| HS2 on 21:00 - Sep 23 with 1535 views | majorraglan |
It’s been a huge waste so far. Before a single shovel had been put in to the ground, consultants fees had cost the taxpayer £600m. The 10 year old plan for Euston saw £100m shelled out before they came to the conclusion the plan would need to be redesigned. The cost of redeveloping Euston has gone up from £2.6bn to £4.2bn and the whole project from an initial estimate of £20bn it’s now coming in at £106bn.
As of March this year, HS2 has cost £21.4bn.
I’m not a Drakers fan, but people get hot under the collar when it comes to sides with WG but seemingly very little is said when it’s Westminster wasting much much larger amounts of money. | | | |
| HS2 on 21:09 - Sep 23 with 1533 views | SullutaCreturned |
| HS2 on 21:00 - Sep 23 by majorraglan |
It’s been a huge waste so far. Before a single shovel had been put in to the ground, consultants fees had cost the taxpayer £600m. The 10 year old plan for Euston saw £100m shelled out before they came to the conclusion the plan would need to be redesigned. The cost of redeveloping Euston has gone up from £2.6bn to £4.2bn and the whole project from an initial estimate of £20bn it’s now coming in at £106bn.
As of March this year, HS2 has cost £21.4bn.
I’m not a Drakers fan, but people get hot under the collar when it comes to sides with WG but seemingly very little is said when it’s Westminster wasting much much larger amounts of money. |
hang on now, Major, this thread is about Westminster waste, things do get said. it's just that living in Wales we complain about things Welsh that affect us every day.
There have always been things said about UK government, we had some right ding dongs over Blairs government back in the day. | | | |
| HS2 on 23:19 - Sep 23 with 1493 views | Dr_Winston |
The whole thing is just as pointless and wasteful as electrifying the rail line from Bristol to Cardiff.
Countless millions spent to shave mere minutes off a journey time. |  |
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| HS2 on 08:10 - Sep 24 with 1446 views | controversial_jack |
If Drakeford had done this, there would be uproar and petitions everywhere | | | |
| HS2 on 08:22 - Sep 24 with 1445 views | Gwyn737 |
| HS2 on 08:10 - Sep 24 by controversial_jack |
If Drakeford had done this, there would be uproar and petitions everywhere |
We’re talking very different sums of money here.
Should the redesigned and limited project come in at the expected £60b pounds, it’ll be approaching the entire Senedd budget for three years. | | | |
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| HS2 on 14:37 - Sep 24 with 1372 views | controversial_jack |
| HS2 on 08:22 - Sep 24 by Gwyn737 |
We’re talking very different sums of money here.
Should the redesigned and limited project come in at the expected £60b pounds, it’ll be approaching the entire Senedd budget for three years. |
If my arithmetic is correct, £60 billion is 2000 times greater than what Wales has spent on the speed limit | | | |
| HS2 on 22:44 - Sep 24 with 1310 views | Kilkennyjack |
HS2 is the great welsh train robbery.
A so-called England and Wales investment is factually an England only investment.
England gets HS2, whatever version.
Scotlands gets up to £10 billion.
The north of Ireland gets £1.3 billion.
Cymru gets nothing, robbed of £5billion.
This is the union for you.
Working against the welsh national interests. |  |
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| HS2 on 10:37 - Sep 25 with 1280 views | Treforys_Jack |
I'm certainly no expert, but can someone explain why trains in Europe are so much cheaper, faster, cleaner and more reliable. Anyone here in the industry? |  | | |
| HS2 on 16:12 - Sep 25 with 1228 views | controversial_jack |
| HS2 on 10:37 - Sep 25 by Treforys_Jack |
I'm certainly no expert, but can someone explain why trains in Europe are so much cheaper, faster, cleaner and more reliable. Anyone here in the industry? |
Probably because they are modern forward looking countries and we aren’t | | | |
| HS2 on 17:29 - Sep 25 with 1219 views | Kilkennyjack |
| HS2 on 16:12 - Sep 25 by controversial_jack |
Probably because they are modern forward looking countries and we aren’t |
Very true.
World beating muscular unionism was a load of old cobblers, after all ……. 🇬🇧 💩 | |
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| HS2 on 20:43 - Sep 25 with 1173 views | SullutaCreturned |
Yes, privatisations over the last 50 years or so have seen the Uk's family silver sold off to foreign concerns which has seen the Uk robbed off investment, robbed of wealth and it hasn't helpe that we have put complete steaming eejits in charge of so many things, including Downing street too...yes Bojo, I'm talking about you. | | | |
| HS2 on 10:41 - Sep 26 with 1127 views | controversial_jack |
| HS2 on 20:43 - Sep 25 by SullutaCreturned |
Yes, privatisations over the last 50 years or so have seen the Uk's family silver sold off to foreign concerns which has seen the Uk robbed off investment, robbed of wealth and it hasn't helpe that we have put complete steaming eejits in charge of so many things, including Downing street too...yes Bojo, I'm talking about you. |
The voters believed in the myth of neo liberalism promoted by Thatcher, and still haven't completely seen through it. Yet, Drakeford is some kind of monster. | | | |
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