| FFP Calculations 18:09 - Jul 25 with 10983 views | QPRConor2000 |
Just reading through our spend for the last three years and interestingly, after the 23/24 season is up, the 20/21 losses are removed, as FFP is a 3 year rolling period, and that is where the bulk of our spending has been.
So potentially we could have some room to spend next season.
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| FFP Calculations on 18:42 - Jul 25 with 6700 views | QPR_John |
BBC Radio Berkshire currently have a feature on Reading re their problems. It seems they incurred debts of £146M over the last five years. We must have upset somebody to get a £20M fine. I know rules changed but our punishment seems somewhat vindictive. | | | |
| FFP Calculations on 19:09 - Jul 25 with 6626 views | loftboy |
| FFP Calculations on 18:42 - Jul 25 by QPR_John |
BBC Radio Berkshire currently have a feature on Reading re their problems. It seems they incurred debts of £146M over the last five years. We must have upset somebody to get a £20M fine. I know rules changed but our punishment seems somewhat vindictive. |
It was because of our fine that the rules were changed to embargo’s and points deductions. |  |
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| FFP Calculations on 20:24 - Jul 25 with 6371 views | QPR_John |
| FFP Calculations on 19:09 - Jul 25 by loftboy |
It was because of our fine that the rules were changed to embargo’s and points deductions. |
That’s my point. A vindictive punishment that the FL realised. [Post edited 25 Jul 2023 20:24]
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| FFP Calculations on 20:30 - Jul 25 with 6350 views | numptydumpty |
| FFP Calculations on 20:24 - Jul 25 by QPR_John |
That’s my point. A vindictive punishment that the FL realised. [Post edited 25 Jul 2023 20:24]
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Why can't it then be contested retrospectively as overly harsh ??
I guess hiring lawyers to contest a ruling years after a decision to see that it could be reduced in severity does not work in the same way that the criminal justice system can operate.
Ie the new evidence could be the way these fines etc are now administered.
Guessing that's never an option otherwise the club could have explored that by now.
Just a random thought !!! |  |
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| FFP Calculations on 21:13 - Jul 25 with 6141 views | Sakura |
Yep- and nothing potential about it. (Just a typo from you on the season as I think you meant to refer to 21/22)
£24.7m head room into next seasons budget is a fact.
Last month on the Johansen leaving thread (Page 4) I highlighted what you are saying here. NorthernR categorically told me that "This is not true"
But he was wrong he just misunderstood the late reporting periods confusing things
But it is absolutely true to say our budget for the 24/25 season won't be affected by the big loss season of 21/22
Because the three seasons relevant to the accounts will be:
-22/23
-23/24
-24/25
The big loss year will be too far away and not included
If we make it through this season we can really increase the investment in the squad next summer. Maybe tie down more key players like Field if we are lucky for longer [Post edited 25 Jul 2023 21:13]
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| FFP Calculations on 21:51 - Jul 25 with 6027 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Agreed, Conor. I think Simon and Clive agree with you as well, if I recall correctly?
Enjoying your posts recently, particularly your work on FOI for a new ground. Great to see such enthusiasm. Meant to post thanks earlier. |  |
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| FFP Calculations on 22:00 - Jul 25 with 5992 views | BostonR |
| FFP Calculations on 20:30 - Jul 25 by numptydumpty |
Why can't it then be contested retrospectively as overly harsh ??
I guess hiring lawyers to contest a ruling years after a decision to see that it could be reduced in severity does not work in the same way that the criminal justice system can operate.
Ie the new evidence could be the way these fines etc are now administered.
Guessing that's never an option otherwise the club could have explored that by now.
Just a random thought !!! |
If my memory is correct our CEO did attempt to re-negotiate the penalty a few seasons ago. As I understand it the bulk of Championship clubs were not interested especially that understanding Chairman Steve Gibson.
Essentially, we are politely told to FO!.
Maybe someone can verify this? |  | | |
| FFP Calculations on 22:11 - Jul 25 with 5955 views | Northernr |
| FFP Calculations on 21:51 - Jul 25 by BrianMcCarthy |
Agreed, Conor. I think Simon and Clive agree with you as well, if I recall correctly?
Enjoying your posts recently, particularly your work on FOI for a new ground. Great to see such enthusiasm. Meant to post thanks earlier. |
We do agree, contrary to what anonymous troll boy says above in his never ending obsessive quest to call out absolutely everything I say.
However is a very big ask to get from a £25m loss to a 4-6m loss inside three seasons without a significant sale and without destroying your team and getting it relegated, particularly how last season went.
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| FFP Calculations on 22:22 - Jul 25 with 5884 views | Northernr |
| FFP Calculations on 22:00 - Jul 25 by BostonR |
If my memory is correct our CEO did attempt to re-negotiate the penalty a few seasons ago. As I understand it the bulk of Championship clubs were not interested especially that understanding Chairman Steve Gibson.
Essentially, we are politely told to FO!.
Maybe someone can verify this? |
It was Ridsdale and Preston, but otherwise correct. | | | |
| FFP Calculations on 23:53 - Jul 25 with 5683 views | PunteR |
| FFP Calculations on 20:30 - Jul 25 by numptydumpty |
Why can't it then be contested retrospectively as overly harsh ??
I guess hiring lawyers to contest a ruling years after a decision to see that it could be reduced in severity does not work in the same way that the criminal justice system can operate.
Ie the new evidence could be the way these fines etc are now administered.
Guessing that's never an option otherwise the club could have explored that by now.
Just a random thought !!! |
My random guess is it gets written off against tax anyway. Its just another expense. |  |
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| FFP Calculations on 10:16 - Jul 26 with 5319 views | Sakura |
| FFP Calculations on 22:11 - Jul 25 by Northernr |
We do agree, contrary to what anonymous troll boy says above in his never ending obsessive quest to call out absolutely everything I say.
However is a very big ask to get from a £25m loss to a 4-6m loss inside three seasons without a significant sale and without destroying your team and getting it relegated, particularly how last season went.
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Firstly it's not trolling because it's earnest criticism. If you respond to earnest criticism with name calling that’s a reflection on you
Page 4 on that Johansen thread you quoted my statement, "Then after this season the £25m loss of 21/22 drops off."
My sentence following this was, "The new tv deal kicks in and we have a load of head room to spend much more" and I went on to list other reasons we have to be optimistic for our budget next summer
You stated directly in response, "This is not true"
You went on to describe the reporting periods. I had believed from your previous articles you didn't quite understand how close we were to be past the heavy FFP issue and in that thread you made it clear you didn't understand it
My point and the point Connor is making here. Was next summer we don't need to worry about that loss in our budget. You said that was "not true" last month. But now you realise it is true
Also something else worth correcting is highlighted in Simon D article where he points out Swiss Ramble's estimate of £4m of Estimated disallowable costs and so our Loss for P&S he estimates at -£19,991,000
So rather than using the rounded up figure of a £25m loss we should be using £20m when referring to the loss that year [Post edited 26 Jul 2023 10:17]
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| FFP Calculations on 10:21 - Jul 26 with 5325 views | Northernr |
| FFP Calculations on 10:16 - Jul 26 by Sakura |
Firstly it's not trolling because it's earnest criticism. If you respond to earnest criticism with name calling that’s a reflection on you
Page 4 on that Johansen thread you quoted my statement, "Then after this season the £25m loss of 21/22 drops off."
My sentence following this was, "The new tv deal kicks in and we have a load of head room to spend much more" and I went on to list other reasons we have to be optimistic for our budget next summer
You stated directly in response, "This is not true"
You went on to describe the reporting periods. I had believed from your previous articles you didn't quite understand how close we were to be past the heavy FFP issue and in that thread you made it clear you didn't understand it
My point and the point Connor is making here. Was next summer we don't need to worry about that loss in our budget. You said that was "not true" last month. But now you realise it is true
Also something else worth correcting is highlighted in Simon D article where he points out Swiss Ramble's estimate of £4m of Estimated disallowable costs and so our Loss for P&S he estimates at -£19,991,000
So rather than using the rounded up figure of a £25m loss we should be using £20m when referring to the loss that year [Post edited 26 Jul 2023 10:17]
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This is the third time this week, and it's just plain weird. | | | |
| FFP Calculations on 10:28 - Jul 26 with 5274 views | Sakura |
| FFP Calculations on 10:21 - Jul 26 by Northernr |
This is the third time this week, and it's just plain weird. |
If there is something wrong with what I said here then fine correct me. But you can’t because you are wrong and this is your childish response to that
This is earnest criticism from me. Nothing more
Look up the definition of earnest and you will understand
Your reporting on the FFP related issues facing this club has been atrocious. It needed to be corrected
I care about the club. I don’t care about you I care about correcting your inaccurate reporting on an issue that’s very important for the club I love [Post edited 26 Jul 2023 10:29]
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| FFP Calculations on 10:50 - Jul 26 with 5206 views | Northernr |
| FFP Calculations on 10:28 - Jul 26 by Sakura |
If there is something wrong with what I said here then fine correct me. But you can’t because you are wrong and this is your childish response to that
This is earnest criticism from me. Nothing more
Look up the definition of earnest and you will understand
Your reporting on the FFP related issues facing this club has been atrocious. It needed to be corrected
I care about the club. I don’t care about you I care about correcting your inaccurate reporting on an issue that’s very important for the club I love [Post edited 26 Jul 2023 10:29]
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It's odd behaviour. Take a step back and look at it. It's weird. Three times in a week "NorthernR, NorthernR, NorthernR". I'm not gonna shag you mate.
Going on what you describe as a "poxy website" with "atrocious reporting", populated mostly by people you seem to hate, registering anonymous accounts to pursue the guy that runs it around and troll him. Calling up posts, sometimes from years ago, to prove whatever point it is you're trying to prove and achieve whatever it is you're trying to achieve. Is it to make me quit? Is that it, you're going to try and pound away until I think this just isn't worth it and close the thing? It's fcking tempting I'll give you that, 20 years of graft and my reward is an anonymous internet crypto bro following me around the gaff.
We can all pick out posts from weeks and months ago and do some big "ah ha" gotcha, of everybody on the board. How about the day Neil Critchley was at Loftus Road signing his contract, as I reported on here repeatedly, that you nevertheless spent on posts that Les Ferdinand was going to make Paul Hall the manager to "further his agenda on black coaches". Pretty atrocious itself that one. Or your posts about a potential £15m transfer budget this summer - maybe we're keeping the powder dry until deadline day. Or your posts demanding that anybody saying anything remotely negative about the team this year return to the board and be more positive next week when Lewis Wing signs.
But instead I'll just say that this season is going to be hard enough. It's going to be hard enough for me, doing every game again, a match preview, a match report, history, oppo interview, over and over again, week after week, on top of a day job, for this team this season, now potentially with Dominic fcking Gape in midfield. If you think I'm going to do that while at the same time coming onto my own message board to hear from some anonymous troll what a cnt I am, then let this be the final warning that you've got another think coming.
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| FFP Calculations on 10:54 - Jul 26 with 5161 views | Llanranger |
| FFP Calculations on 18:42 - Jul 25 by QPR_John |
BBC Radio Berkshire currently have a feature on Reading re their problems. It seems they incurred debts of £146M over the last five years. We must have upset somebody to get a £20M fine. I know rules changed but our punishment seems somewhat vindictive. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66291076
Grim reading (see what I did there). Those calling for a change of owners might want to think about how any alternatives might work out. | | | |
| FFP Calculations on 11:01 - Jul 26 with 5117 views | wombat |
| FFP Calculations on 10:50 - Jul 26 by Northernr |
It's odd behaviour. Take a step back and look at it. It's weird. Three times in a week "NorthernR, NorthernR, NorthernR". I'm not gonna shag you mate.
Going on what you describe as a "poxy website" with "atrocious reporting", populated mostly by people you seem to hate, registering anonymous accounts to pursue the guy that runs it around and troll him. Calling up posts, sometimes from years ago, to prove whatever point it is you're trying to prove and achieve whatever it is you're trying to achieve. Is it to make me quit? Is that it, you're going to try and pound away until I think this just isn't worth it and close the thing? It's fcking tempting I'll give you that, 20 years of graft and my reward is an anonymous internet crypto bro following me around the gaff.
We can all pick out posts from weeks and months ago and do some big "ah ha" gotcha, of everybody on the board. How about the day Neil Critchley was at Loftus Road signing his contract, as I reported on here repeatedly, that you nevertheless spent on posts that Les Ferdinand was going to make Paul Hall the manager to "further his agenda on black coaches". Pretty atrocious itself that one. Or your posts about a potential £15m transfer budget this summer - maybe we're keeping the powder dry until deadline day. Or your posts demanding that anybody saying anything remotely negative about the team this year return to the board and be more positive next week when Lewis Wing signs.
But instead I'll just say that this season is going to be hard enough. It's going to be hard enough for me, doing every game again, a match preview, a match report, history, oppo interview, over and over again, week after week, on top of a day job, for this team this season, now potentially with Dominic fcking Gape in midfield. If you think I'm going to do that while at the same time coming onto my own message board to hear from some anonymous troll what a cnt I am, then let this be the final warning that you've got another think coming.
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think he wants a special cuddle clive ,
I wonder if hes got a Red sofa ? |  |
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| FFP Calculations on 11:07 - Jul 26 with 5073 views | Silverfoxqpr |
| FFP Calculations on 10:21 - Jul 26 by Northernr |
This is the third time this week, and it's just plain weird. |
Weird sh1t happens when you move to Sarf Lundun Clive, I should know mate. |  | | |
| FFP Calculations on 11:09 - Jul 26 with 5048 views | colinallcars |
What we need is a system of accelerated capital allowances aligned with stock appreciation relief offset against short term fluctuations in the investment cycle.
Right, I'm off to the Crown & Sceptre. |  | | |
| FFP Calculations on 11:19 - Jul 26 with 4966 views | Mick_S |
| FFP Calculations on 11:09 - Jul 26 by colinallcars |
What we need is a system of accelerated capital allowances aligned with stock appreciation relief offset against short term fluctuations in the investment cycle.
Right, I'm off to the Crown & Sceptre. |
That’ll be £7.00 sir. |  |
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| FFP Calculations on 12:26 - Jul 26 with 4786 views | Sakura |
| FFP Calculations on 10:50 - Jul 26 by Northernr |
It's odd behaviour. Take a step back and look at it. It's weird. Three times in a week "NorthernR, NorthernR, NorthernR". I'm not gonna shag you mate.
Going on what you describe as a "poxy website" with "atrocious reporting", populated mostly by people you seem to hate, registering anonymous accounts to pursue the guy that runs it around and troll him. Calling up posts, sometimes from years ago, to prove whatever point it is you're trying to prove and achieve whatever it is you're trying to achieve. Is it to make me quit? Is that it, you're going to try and pound away until I think this just isn't worth it and close the thing? It's fcking tempting I'll give you that, 20 years of graft and my reward is an anonymous internet crypto bro following me around the gaff.
We can all pick out posts from weeks and months ago and do some big "ah ha" gotcha, of everybody on the board. How about the day Neil Critchley was at Loftus Road signing his contract, as I reported on here repeatedly, that you nevertheless spent on posts that Les Ferdinand was going to make Paul Hall the manager to "further his agenda on black coaches". Pretty atrocious itself that one. Or your posts about a potential £15m transfer budget this summer - maybe we're keeping the powder dry until deadline day. Or your posts demanding that anybody saying anything remotely negative about the team this year return to the board and be more positive next week when Lewis Wing signs.
But instead I'll just say that this season is going to be hard enough. It's going to be hard enough for me, doing every game again, a match preview, a match report, history, oppo interview, over and over again, week after week, on top of a day job, for this team this season, now potentially with Dominic fcking Gape in midfield. If you think I'm going to do that while at the same time coming onto my own message board to hear from some anonymous troll what a cnt I am, then let this be the final warning that you've got another think coming.
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You are resorting to personal insults and to quote Thatcher, "I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single argument left"
Anything else you want to discuss or challenge that aren't on this thread then go ahead and bring them up where they have the context needed for me to explain my reasoning. So again I'm not interested in rising to your distraction tactics
You are doing that because we are talking here about a topic you have been wrong on. The FFP issues. I have explained why you were wrong. I have backed that up with what you said just last month
Although you won't admit it the positive thing now is you realise that you were wrong and that will mean your future articles reflect that and don't exaggerate the issues faced beyond this season | | | |
| FFP Calculations on 12:39 - Jul 26 with 4737 views | sprocket |
| FFP Calculations on 12:26 - Jul 26 by Sakura |
You are resorting to personal insults and to quote Thatcher, "I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single argument left"
Anything else you want to discuss or challenge that aren't on this thread then go ahead and bring them up where they have the context needed for me to explain my reasoning. So again I'm not interested in rising to your distraction tactics
You are doing that because we are talking here about a topic you have been wrong on. The FFP issues. I have explained why you were wrong. I have backed that up with what you said just last month
Although you won't admit it the positive thing now is you realise that you were wrong and that will mean your future articles reflect that and don't exaggerate the issues faced beyond this season |
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| FFP Calculations on 12:42 - Jul 26 with 4700 views | Welsh_Ranger |
| FFP Calculations on 12:26 - Jul 26 by Sakura |
You are resorting to personal insults and to quote Thatcher, "I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single argument left"
Anything else you want to discuss or challenge that aren't on this thread then go ahead and bring them up where they have the context needed for me to explain my reasoning. So again I'm not interested in rising to your distraction tactics
You are doing that because we are talking here about a topic you have been wrong on. The FFP issues. I have explained why you were wrong. I have backed that up with what you said just last month
Although you won't admit it the positive thing now is you realise that you were wrong and that will mean your future articles reflect that and don't exaggerate the issues faced beyond this season |
The issues are their for all to see. Irrespective of the FFP calculations and I haven't looked into if anyone is wrong or not. Its been documented on many an occasion that our owners are funding this club to a tune of 2mil a month.
We need to be selling to survive and sadly we for whatever reason aren't able to do this or produce players that people want to buy. | | | |
| FFP Calculations on 12:49 - Jul 26 with 4664 views | Lblock |
| FFP Calculations on 10:28 - Jul 26 by Sakura |
If there is something wrong with what I said here then fine correct me. But you can’t because you are wrong and this is your childish response to that
This is earnest criticism from me. Nothing more
Look up the definition of earnest and you will understand
Your reporting on the FFP related issues facing this club has been atrocious. It needed to be corrected
I care about the club. I don’t care about you I care about correcting your inaccurate reporting on an issue that’s very important for the club I love [Post edited 26 Jul 2023 10:29]
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Be careful of the earnest criticism....
If Eric did that too much then he ended up getting a double slap in the chops back.
Bit rich swinging your handbag when you've failed to answer questions yourself in the past but hey hoh.
I'll never fully understand the internet.
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| FFP Calculations on 12:57 - Jul 26 with 4640 views | stantheman10 |
| FFP Calculations on 12:39 - Jul 26 by sprocket |
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Why a ban? As this is a forum surely the person in question has a right to their opinion and comment unless it's abusive | | | |
| FFP Calculations on 13:06 - Jul 26 with 4587 views | westberksr |
| FFP Calculations on 12:26 - Jul 26 by Sakura |
You are resorting to personal insults and to quote Thatcher, "I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single argument left"
Anything else you want to discuss or challenge that aren't on this thread then go ahead and bring them up where they have the context needed for me to explain my reasoning. So again I'm not interested in rising to your distraction tactics
You are doing that because we are talking here about a topic you have been wrong on. The FFP issues. I have explained why you were wrong. I have backed that up with what you said just last month
Although you won't admit it the positive thing now is you realise that you were wrong and that will mean your future articles reflect that and don't exaggerate the issues faced beyond this season |
farking hell; Clive didn't personally ruin the club.... or did he?
maybe just let it go as there is enough other shite to discuss. do we really need to worry about next summer's budget when it might well be irrelevant if we are in the division below!
general question; who has the time for these petty vendettas? |  | | |
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