| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart 14:28 - Feb 25 with 7338 views | STID2017 |
I copied this list of another thread and wondered how accurate it is, bearing in mind this method has been used to illustrate that Brad Bobbly was better for us than Russell Martin is , and that Michael Laudrup is a poor league manager than, well most, it would seem ?
Please note I have added numbers in reverse order and one anonymous manager's win rate :
League points per game:-
11 - Clement 1.11
10 - Laudrup 1.13
9 - Martin 1.22
8 - Guidolin 1.26
7 - Monk 1.31
6 - Potter 1.41
5 - Anonymous 1.45
4 - Sousa 1.50
3 - Rodgers 1.53
2 - Cooper 1.63
1 - Martinez 1.73
As I say it has been used as a fair way to compare success or otherwise of Martin, Bobbly and Laudrup based on League points achieved under their tenure.
So would appreciate posters thoughts on if it is to be considered an accurate and fair measure or not ? |  |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:01 - Feb 27 with 796 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 00:57 - Feb 27 by STID2017 |
"The ''fact'' was in response to what you wrote which was those stats show Laudrup was a poor league manager... which he was."
Hmm - reading that it clearly says that ( although you should have added IMHO ) "...Laudrup was a poor league manager - which he was"
You have said he was an overrated manager before, but there you said he was a poor manager, but now you deny it ?
Not sure why - both are your opinions which you are entitled to.
Neither are fact though, merely subjective opinions. |
Yep that is a fact.
Not sure where the confusion is with that? Where have I denied saying he was a poor league manager? I haven't denied it, he was/is.
It is a fact, he has among the worst league record of any manager in our recent history. |  |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:10 - Feb 27 with 765 views | STID2017 |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:01 - Feb 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yep that is a fact.
Not sure where the confusion is with that? Where have I denied saying he was a poor league manager? I haven't denied it, he was/is.
It is a fact, he has among the worst league record of any manager in our recent history. |
At 00.48 you posted the following:
"Because he averaged 1.13 points in the league, one of the worst league records of any manager in recent history.
Most of those points were gained in the honeymoon period before Xmas.
That is just simply a fact.
I didn't say he was a poor manager, I said he was an overrated manager because he certainly is not a ''great manager''. His league record and career as a whole show this to be the case."
Now you say " I didn't say he was a poor manager"
Confusion reigns ! | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:13 - Feb 27 with 760 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:10 - Feb 27 by STID2017 |
At 00.48 you posted the following:
"Because he averaged 1.13 points in the league, one of the worst league records of any manager in recent history.
Most of those points were gained in the honeymoon period before Xmas.
That is just simply a fact.
I didn't say he was a poor manager, I said he was an overrated manager because he certainly is not a ''great manager''. His league record and career as a whole show this to be the case."
Now you say " I didn't say he was a poor manager"
Confusion reigns ! |
Confusion for you yes, clearly.
I have no idea what relevance what you have just quoted is.
Where have I said he is a poor manager there? Point it out to me, I have read it twice now and don't see it.
Underline it, put an arrow to it, make it bold, or just use a quotation mark showing me that sentence will do.
Cheers in advance. | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:21 - Feb 27 with 754 views | STID2017 |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:13 - Feb 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
Confusion for you yes, clearly.
I have no idea what relevance what you have just quoted is.
Where have I said he is a poor manager there? Point it out to me, I have read it twice now and don't see it.
Underline it, put an arrow to it, make it bold, or just use a quotation mark showing me that sentence will do.
Cheers in advance. |
So after catching you out you edited it to try and me look like the one who is mistaken
You know you said it, I know you said I.
If you haven't got the courage of your convictions to stand by what you wrote originally then that's fine
Your are not only an arrogant coward but now you have shown yourself to be a liar | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:23 - Feb 27 with 752 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:21 - Feb 27 by STID2017 |
So after catching you out you edited it to try and me look like the one who is mistaken
You know you said it, I know you said I.
If you haven't got the courage of your convictions to stand by what you wrote originally then that's fine
Your are not only an arrogant coward but now you have shown yourself to be a liar |
What? 
What post are you accusing me of editing? Show me.
What is the time stamp of the post you are referring to?
It's ok to admit you got it wrong you know... | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:29 - Feb 27 with 742 views | STID2017 |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:23 - Feb 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
What?
What post are you accusing me of editing? Show me.
What is the time stamp of the post you are referring to?
It's ok to admit you got it wrong you know... |
Don't lie pal
As I have posted you are a duplicitous liar and a fraud and not worthy of being called a fan
I wonder if you have ever been to a Swans game or is that all a lie too ? | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:34 - Feb 27 with 737 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:33 - Feb 27 by STID2017 |
Your a liar pal and everyone I'll know it tomorrow |
You have been caught out.
You have forgotten that you responded to my post and included the very sentence.  | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:53 - Feb 27 with 725 views | Badlands |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 14:44 - Feb 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
The thread that used this was a discussion around whether someone was “great”.
You claimed Laudrup was a “great” manager, the above was to show that in order to be a “great” manager then you can’t have one of the worst league records in the clubs modern history with one of the clubs best ever teams at your disposal.
You aren’t necessarily great if you have an excellent league record, but you are certainly not great if you don’t.
So that chart is perfectly reasonable to disprove greatness.
You would have to decide what your debate is before trying to put forward some absolute methodology.
But yours was just Laudrup being a “great” manager wasn’t it? |
Poor league result while in 3 competitions and 6 weeks with between 6 - 11 first team players unavailable.
League Cup and darlings of Europe too with great football. |  |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 02:03 - Feb 27 with 716 views | STID2017 |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 01:53 - Feb 27 by Badlands |
Poor league result while in 3 competitions and 6 weeks with between 6 - 11 first team players unavailable.
League Cup and darlings of Europe too with great football. |
Good point
What he doesn't edit his answers
Hot form for being a duplicitous liar who edits his posts then tries to deny saying things.
Done it to two posters in the last 24 hours
Said Laudrup was a poor manager then denied it
Obviously realised it was a stupid remark and he would get pelters
Pity mun | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 02:05 - Feb 27 with 714 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 02:03 - Feb 27 by STID2017 |
Good point
What he doesn't edit his answers
Hot form for being a duplicitous liar who edits his posts then tries to deny saying things.
Done it to two posters in the last 24 hours
Said Laudrup was a poor manager then denied it
Obviously realised it was a stupid remark and he would get pelters
Pity mun |
I didn’t edit that at all, you replied to the post several times giving the correct quote. I said poor “league” manager, not “poor manager”.
You have tripped yourself up there.
Show us the exact post you are talking about then, we can check the time stamps. Very easy to prove either way. | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 02:06 - Feb 27 with 713 views | STID2017 |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 02:05 - Feb 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
I didn’t edit that at all, you replied to the post several times giving the correct quote. I said poor “league” manager, not “poor manager”.
You have tripped yourself up there.
Show us the exact post you are talking about then, we can check the time stamps. Very easy to prove either way. |
You are a duplicitous liar pa
l he ho | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 02:11 - Feb 27 with 711 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 02:06 - Feb 27 by STID2017 |
You are a duplicitous liar pa
l he ho |
You have to be drunk, or extremely frustrated. Either one. 
You have already proven yourself wrong with your replies to the original comment, poor “league” manager.
The post hasn’t even been edited | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 02:45 - Feb 27 with 699 views | Dr_Parnassus |
The sound of the penny dropping is a wonderful sound.
Apology accepted by the way...
So that is me living in Aberdare you lied about, and now claiming I edited a post that hasn't even been edited that you have lied about.
Let that sink in.
Bet you wish you never started this campaign... | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 02:57 - Feb 27 with 690 views | STID2017 |
You denied saying he was a poor manager, stating that you had said he was an overrated manager.
In fact you had said he was a poor league manager.
So you were splitting hairs to try and stop yourself looking ridiculous.
You may not have edited the post but you certainly denied using poor at first, then realised you had so changed the direction of the post.
This still makes you duplicitous and a liar, just in a different way
You do have form for editing posts to mid quote.
Your were caught out by the poster from Cardiff earlier
Whatever line of business you are in, be it in Western Australia or West Wales, I am glad I am not one of your customers. | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 03:00 - Feb 27 with 689 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 02:57 - Feb 27 by STID2017 |
You denied saying he was a poor manager, stating that you had said he was an overrated manager.
In fact you had said he was a poor league manager.
So you were splitting hairs to try and stop yourself looking ridiculous.
You may not have edited the post but you certainly denied using poor at first, then realised you had so changed the direction of the post.
This still makes you duplicitous and a liar, just in a different way
You do have form for editing posts to mid quote.
Your were caught out by the poster from Cardiff earlier
Whatever line of business you are in, be it in Western Australia or West Wales, I am glad I am not one of your customers. |
Splitting hairs?
You just accused me of editing a post which hasn't even been edited and went on a tirade of abuse off the back of it
You now admit you lied. 
Where did I deny using the word ''poor''? Don't go from one lie into another, that is easily provable too.  | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 03:07 - Feb 27 with 679 views | STID2017 |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 03:00 - Feb 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
Splitting hairs?
You just accused me of editing a post which hasn't even been edited and went on a tirade of abuse off the back of it
You now admit you lied.
Where did I deny using the word ''poor''? Don't go from one lie into another, that is easily provable too. |
Because he averaged 1.13 points in the league, one of the worst league records of any manager in recent history.
Most of those points were gained in the honeymoon period before Xmas.
That is just simply a fact.
I didn't say he was a poor manager, I said he was an overrated manager because he certainly is not a ''great manager''. His league record and career as a whole show this to be the case.
Posted by you at 00.48 | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 03:11 - Feb 27 with 670 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 03:07 - Feb 27 by STID2017 |
Because he averaged 1.13 points in the league, one of the worst league records of any manager in recent history.
Most of those points were gained in the honeymoon period before Xmas.
That is just simply a fact.
I didn't say he was a poor manager, I said he was an overrated manager because he certainly is not a ''great manager''. His league record and career as a whole show this to be the case.
Posted by you at 00.48 |
Indeed, what point are you making? Where have I denied using the word ''poor''?
I fully stand by it.
I said I didn't say he was ''a poor manager''. He is a good Cup manager, and he is an okay to average manager overall. For us he was a poor league manager.
Which bit is confusing you? This has not changed from discussions we had dozens of hours ago. | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 03:13 - Feb 27 with 668 views | STID2017 |
Last paragraph clearly stated " I didn't say he was a poor manager, I said he was an overrated manager"
What you actually said was he was a poor league manager, but didnt even admit to that at the time | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 03:24 - Feb 27 with 664 views | STID2017 |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 03:13 - Feb 27 by STID2017 |
Last paragraph clearly stated " I didn't say he was a poor manager, I said he was an overrated manager"
What you actually said was he was a poor league manager, but didnt even admit to that at the time |
As covered before you called him a poor league manager.
To call him a poor manager or poor league manager, either is utter claptrap
You said you didn't call him a poor manager, you called him an overrated manager. Wher as you had called him a poor league manager
Splitting hairs as I said earlier | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 03:38 - Feb 27 with 661 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 03:13 - Feb 27 by STID2017 |
Last paragraph clearly stated " I didn't say he was a poor manager, I said he was an overrated manager"
What you actually said was he was a poor league manager, but didnt even admit to that at the time |
Yep, stand by it.
Which bit are you protesting exactly? I never once said he was a ''poor manager'', I have re-iterated time and time again though that with us, he was a ''poor league manager''.
I have confirmed I said poor league manager time and time again, what do you mean I didn't admit it?
What is confusing you here? You are having an absolute mare, take a breath for God's sake | |
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| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 04:14 - Feb 27 with 652 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Points Per Game Manager Comparison Chart on 03:24 - Feb 27 by STID2017 |
As covered before you called him a poor league manager.
To call him a poor manager or poor league manager, either is utter claptrap
You said you didn't call him a poor manager, you called him an overrated manager. Wher as you had called him a poor league manager
Splitting hairs as I said earlier |
I did call him a poor league manager yes, it is not ''utter claptrap'', he is one of the worst performing league managers in recent history with an average of 1.13 points per game. Similar to the worst of all on that list which is Paul Clement at 1.11.
A fact.
There is no splitting hairs at all, it is a very important distinction to make.
For us he was a poor league manager, a good cup manager and an average overall manager.
Which bit are you disputing now? [Post edited 27 Feb 2022 4:15]
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Your lie doesn’t even stack up. 
