| Unvaccinated NHS staff 13:22 - Jan 25 with 5675 views | CountyJim |
Good point on radio debate let them stay in their positions but should have to wear say a badge so that the vaccinated patients have a choice if they want them anywhere near them
The unvacinated say they have a choice so shouldn't patients that don't want them near them ? |  | | |  |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 18:44 - Jan 26 with 915 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 18:36 - Jan 26 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
They’ve been winning for a long time. Our leaders have been weak for a long time. Their bio weaponry hasn’t changed anything. Our people are strong. We’ve withstood a bio weapon for 2 years now. Who needs nuclear warheads and mutually assured destruction when you can just make people cough a bit? |
If you believe that all Covid does is make people "cough a bit", then I take it that you oppose all of the lockdown measures etc.?
...and if that IS the case. What are your conclusions on what is motivating the people who are imposing lockdown measures etc. |  |
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| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 18:48 - Jan 26 with 914 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 18:44 - Jan 26 by Ajack_Kerouac |
If you believe that all Covid does is make people "cough a bit", then I take it that you oppose all of the lockdown measures etc.?
...and if that IS the case. What are your conclusions on what is motivating the people who are imposing lockdown measures etc. |
Another one who will turn himself inside out to change his argument |  |
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| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 18:58 - Jan 26 with 900 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 16:41 - Jan 26 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
I’ve certainly heard of the lab leak theory, which suggests that a novel strain of coronavirus may have inadvertently escaped. But by using the word “bio weapon” you are suggesting that the virus was engineered to kill and was released intentionally and this pandemic is a deliberate and nefarious attack?
If I were the Chinese I’d want my money back. |
Well it’s killed over 5 million so far. I honestly don’t believe it was released on purpose but it’s not a natural virus. Taking a vaccine with all the same spike proteins from an engineered virus doesn’t make sense to me.
What about the long term damage it could potentially do to the human immune system? Great, you don’t die of Covid but a variant of flu kills you instead.
Not to mention the ever growing lists of life altering side effects, miscarriages, heart problems ? I’m sure we haven’t even started finding out about it’s true potential damage. | |
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| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:13 - Jan 26 with 877 views | majorraglan |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 16:32 - Jan 25 by krunchykarrot |
Im still not getting this, if someone doesnt want the vaccine to protect themselves thats fine by me. If i was unfortunate enough to need emergency medical care i wouldnt give a flying if the specialist had been vacinated or not as im sure a professional doctor would not be wearing the useless face masks that i see people wearing. Anyway i see Drakeford is inviting them to NHS Wales. |
I think there is a bit of misinformation out there about the English NHS staff who aren’t being vaccinated being invited to Wales. He was interviewed on Radio 4 earlier this week and was specifically asked that question, his actual response is clear enough.
He replied “We wouldn’t rule it out but it would depend on what anybody said in an interview when they were applying for a job.
I don’t expect us to go looking for people who have not been vaccinated but if people apply then they would be interviewed in the normal way.
We’d look to see what lay behind their decision. We wouldn’t rule them out but we certainly won’t be going out there looking for them.”
Can’t see any attempt there to encourage people to leave the English NHS. |  | | |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:18 - Jan 26 with 863 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 18:44 - Jan 26 by Ajack_Kerouac |
If you believe that all Covid does is make people "cough a bit", then I take it that you oppose all of the lockdown measures etc.?
...and if that IS the case. What are your conclusions on what is motivating the people who are imposing lockdown measures etc. |
In the overwhelming majority of cases symptoms are mild, many have no symptoms at all. Hardly the stuff of biological warfare. Of course there are those that can be affected severely but in the huge majority of cases it’s those with pre existing conditions or advancing age. And yes the lockdown measures have been draconian, harmful and essentially pointless and I have opposed them every step of the way. I can understand them being over cautious at the beginning but I don’t think the measures applied have been at all proportionate. If it were up to me I would have just told those in the vulnerable group to lockdown, protect the vulnerable as much as possible.
As for the motivations I think politicians have relished the opportunity to stand at the podium day in day out issuing their little diktats. They don’t want to give this power up. It’s their chance to be remembered by history. Most of these decisions have been politically motivated. Drakeford has had to make sure every step of the way he has to go that little bit further than England, that little bit earlier. It’s just a game to that lot. It’s all the motivation they need. | | | |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:18 - Jan 26 with 861 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 18:48 - Jan 26 by Brynmill_Jack |
Another one who will turn himself inside out to change his argument |
Who? Me? What argument have I changed? | | | |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:25 - Jan 26 with 842 views | GoldenBear |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:13 - Jan 26 by majorraglan |
I think there is a bit of misinformation out there about the English NHS staff who aren’t being vaccinated being invited to Wales. He was interviewed on Radio 4 earlier this week and was specifically asked that question, his actual response is clear enough.
He replied “We wouldn’t rule it out but it would depend on what anybody said in an interview when they were applying for a job.
I don’t expect us to go looking for people who have not been vaccinated but if people apply then they would be interviewed in the normal way.
We’d look to see what lay behind their decision. We wouldn’t rule them out but we certainly won’t be going out there looking for them.”
Can’t see any attempt there to encourage people to leave the English NHS. |
More bo!!0x form Dippy.
If theres 10s of thousand being sacked, because they dont want to be vaccinated, who the hell does he think is going to be looking for work in our hospitals. |  | | |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:25 - Jan 26 with 836 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:18 - Jan 26 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
In the overwhelming majority of cases symptoms are mild, many have no symptoms at all. Hardly the stuff of biological warfare. Of course there are those that can be affected severely but in the huge majority of cases it’s those with pre existing conditions or advancing age. And yes the lockdown measures have been draconian, harmful and essentially pointless and I have opposed them every step of the way. I can understand them being over cautious at the beginning but I don’t think the measures applied have been at all proportionate. If it were up to me I would have just told those in the vulnerable group to lockdown, protect the vulnerable as much as possible.
As for the motivations I think politicians have relished the opportunity to stand at the podium day in day out issuing their little diktats. They don’t want to give this power up. It’s their chance to be remembered by history. Most of these decisions have been politically motivated. Drakeford has had to make sure every step of the way he has to go that little bit further than England, that little bit earlier. It’s just a game to that lot. It’s all the motivation they need. |
You do not understand modern biological warfare as the Chinese talked about it before COVID.
It was to weaken and destablilise countries not kill all the people, because the world would not stand for that, because that is a WMD.
They would not have stood for it being released outside of China either this way they can always say it was an accident, whether it was or not.
Which country made Billions of pounds, dollars and Yen etc selling test kits, masks & PPE etc to the rest of the world?
Most of which was junk. | | | |
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| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:27 - Jan 26 with 834 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 16:36 - Jan 26 by Professor |
It would be a remarkably crap bioweapon. And you certainly would not release the sequence to allow a vaccine to be produced or exchange the strain with the US, UK and others if it were. It may be a leak (which is still less likely by a long way than a zoonotic source), but it's no bioweapon. |
Except there is zero evidence of any zoonotic source and masses of evidence of gain of function trials and the patments for them to obtain exactly the changes that took place. | | | |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:28 - Jan 26 with 835 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 18:58 - Jan 26 by Brynmill_Jack |
Well it’s killed over 5 million so far. I honestly don’t believe it was released on purpose but it’s not a natural virus. Taking a vaccine with all the same spike proteins from an engineered virus doesn’t make sense to me.
What about the long term damage it could potentially do to the human immune system? Great, you don’t die of Covid but a variant of flu kills you instead.
Not to mention the ever growing lists of life altering side effects, miscarriages, heart problems ? I’m sure we haven’t even started finding out about it’s true potential damage. |
“ Taking a vaccine with all the same spike proteins from an engineered virus doesn’t make sense to me.”
You have to use a vaccine with the same properties as the virus otherwise the body won’t recognise the actual virus rendering the vaccine pointless this is how vaccines work Jesus Christ this is so basic I’m out. | | | |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 20:19 - Jan 26 with 815 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:28 - Jan 26 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
“ Taking a vaccine with all the same spike proteins from an engineered virus doesn’t make sense to me.”
You have to use a vaccine with the same properties as the virus otherwise the body won’t recognise the actual virus rendering the vaccine pointless this is how vaccines work Jesus Christ this is so basic I’m out. |
So you take the most dangerous part of the vaccine and get your body to make millions of them?
That is not how old fashioned vaccines worked, most of them used dead or very weakened whole viruses. | | | |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 00:19 - Jan 27 with 737 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 16:41 - Jan 26 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
I’ve certainly heard of the lab leak theory, which suggests that a novel strain of coronavirus may have inadvertently escaped. But by using the word “bio weapon” you are suggesting that the virus was engineered to kill and was released intentionally and this pandemic is a deliberate and nefarious attack?
If I were the Chinese I’d want my money back. |
It wasn't the Chinese that funded it.  |  |
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| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 09:06 - Jan 27 with 664 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 00:19 - Jan 27 by Jack_Meoff |
It wasn't the Chinese that funded it. |
Hence the lack of any will by the US authorities to investigate or even countenance the possibility.
Now the vast majority have had their 3 injections and the pharmaceutical companies are hitting zillions in profits the lab leak hypothesis has been given credence in Congress and the authorities are looking into it. How seriously though I couldn’t tell you. | |
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| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 15:08 - Jan 27 with 621 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 09:06 - Jan 27 by Brynmill_Jack |
Hence the lack of any will by the US authorities to investigate or even countenance the possibility.
Now the vast majority have had their 3 injections and the pharmaceutical companies are hitting zillions in profits the lab leak hypothesis has been given credence in Congress and the authorities are looking into it. How seriously though I couldn’t tell you. |
Plus the US didn't admit to the funding, it had to be dug out by the so called "anti vaxxers" because the media have not done their job. | | | |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 18:42 - Jan 27 with 596 views | GoldenBear |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 21:43 - Jan 26 by majorraglan |
Read my post again. The claim made in this thread and another thread was Drakeford was inviting people to the Welsh NHS, he hasn’t and isn’t. What he said on Radio 4 during an interview on a current affairs programme was what I’ve said in my previous post. To summarise, Drakeford said he didn’t expect the Welsh NHS to go looking for people who hadn’t been vaccinated, but if they applied for jobs they’d be interviewed in the normal way - in other words business as normal.
It Healthcare Professionals in England are sacked it stands to reason that they will apply for jobs in Wales, but there’s a big difference between people applying of their own volition and Drakeford and NHS Wales inviting applications from the unvaccinated. If thousands in the English NHS are sacked by the Department of Health, it’s the ex-employees prerogative to seek alternative employment. If they choose to continue working in the NHS they have the right to apply for NHS jobs in Wales - we live in a democratic society where people have choices.
If the unvaccinated apply for jobs in Wales their applications should be considered on merit alongside those who are vaccinated.
For what it’s worth, I don’t agree with compulsory vaccination and I also believe the government in England will back down over the threat to sack workers in pretty much the same way they back tracked on Covid passes to night clubs last year. [Post edited 27 Jan 2022 0:32]
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I agree with your last paragraph.
The threat of losing your job, because you are not vaccinated, is unacceptable, and more worryingly coercive behaviour. This is why I think it is more likely sabre rattling, which I find very distasteful. Shocking infact. | | | |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 18:49 - Jan 27 with 591 views | Catullus |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:25 - Jan 26 by GoldenBear |
More bo!!0x form Dippy.
If theres 10s of thousand being sacked, because they dont want to be vaccinated, who the hell does he think is going to be looking for work in our hospitals. |
Umm, maybe those people who have been sacked by NHS England? Wales is not trying to enforce vaccinations on staff. | |
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| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:19 - Jan 27 with 579 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 18:49 - Jan 27 by Catullus |
Umm, maybe those people who have been sacked by NHS England? Wales is not trying to enforce vaccinations on staff. |
Perhaps then you should look at it from an English perspective. | |
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| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:28 - Jan 27 with 571 views | Catullus |
| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 19:19 - Jan 27 by Brynmill_Jack |
Perhaps then you should look at it from an English perspective. |
Do tell, what perspective is that? | |
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| Unvaccinated NHS staff on 20:52 - Jan 27 with 549 views | GoldenBear |
I see that Dr Steve James is launching a legal challenge against the Governments NHS vaccine mandate. | | | |
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