| The French need to take responsibility now. 17:57 - Nov 24 with 3151 views | saint68 |
On hearing that at least 30 people being trafficked from France have perished the French authorities need to be held accountable for these deaths..
Macron has used these illegal crossings as a form of punishment on the UK..it now needs to completely stop..and the French need to stop playing politics with innocent people's lives |  |
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 22:42 - Nov 24 with 2350 views | oeuf |
The French don't give a shit, they just want the migrants off their land. They're just sitting back and letting it happen. | | | |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 12:36 - Nov 25 with 2222 views | saint68 |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 22:42 - Nov 24 by oeuf |
The French don't give a shit, they just want the migrants off their land. They're just sitting back and letting it happen. |
French police sitting in their vehicles flashing the headlights and waving goodbye to the dinghys..farcical.. but not surprising. | |
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:02 - Nov 25 with 2200 views | PaleRider |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 12:36 - Nov 25 by saint68 |
French police sitting in their vehicles flashing the headlights and waving goodbye to the dinghys..farcical.. but not surprising. |
This is multi layered and the responsibility lies as follows (in order):
1) The people smugglers. These are organised gangs and the authorities across the EU and the UK need to be acting swiftly to close them down - they must know who they are;
2) The French authorities. They have blood on their hands from the way they treat migrants to police watching them leave. Plus the pathetic excuses - they could patrol the beaches much more effectively if they used tech appropriately - have they not heard of drones? Why aren't they using military capabilities? Macron has played a despicable game and needs to be held to account;
3) The UK government. We should dial down the rhetoric but also encourage the EU to set up assessment centres for asylum claims to the UK. Setting them up in Calais or Dunkirk is too late - they also need to be further back in the chain, say in Germany, Italy, Belgium etc. We also need to process asylum claims more quickly;
4) The people crossing. What sort of person thinks it's ok to take a child on a small, over-crowded boat to cross the Channel at any time of year - let alone in winter? The resources they are wasting with no regard to the safety of lifeboatmen, border force officials etc. is also really selfish. | | | |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:16 - Nov 25 with 2194 views | DorsetIan |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:02 - Nov 25 by PaleRider |
This is multi layered and the responsibility lies as follows (in order):
1) The people smugglers. These are organised gangs and the authorities across the EU and the UK need to be acting swiftly to close them down - they must know who they are;
2) The French authorities. They have blood on their hands from the way they treat migrants to police watching them leave. Plus the pathetic excuses - they could patrol the beaches much more effectively if they used tech appropriately - have they not heard of drones? Why aren't they using military capabilities? Macron has played a despicable game and needs to be held to account;
3) The UK government. We should dial down the rhetoric but also encourage the EU to set up assessment centres for asylum claims to the UK. Setting them up in Calais or Dunkirk is too late - they also need to be further back in the chain, say in Germany, Italy, Belgium etc. We also need to process asylum claims more quickly;
4) The people crossing. What sort of person thinks it's ok to take a child on a small, over-crowded boat to cross the Channel at any time of year - let alone in winter? The resources they are wasting with no regard to the safety of lifeboatmen, border force officials etc. is also really selfish. |
There's really no place for a balanced assessment like this on this forum. What on earth has got into you. | |
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:27 - Nov 25 with 2190 views | solent_toffee |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:16 - Nov 25 by DorsetIan |
There's really no place for a balanced assessment like this on this forum. What on earth has got into you. |
I agree with everything other than your last point. What are the supposed to do with their children, just leave them? They are absolutely desperate in a way that we could never comprehend. The places they’ve come from, the journey they’ve had and their current situation, completely grim stuff. | | | |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:47 - Nov 25 with 2173 views | Bicester_North |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:27 - Nov 25 by solent_toffee |
I agree with everything other than your last point. What are the supposed to do with their children, just leave them? They are absolutely desperate in a way that we could never comprehend. The places they’ve come from, the journey they’ve had and their current situation, completely grim stuff. |
Europe isn’t that bad surely? | |
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:50 - Nov 25 with 2169 views | Saintsforeverj |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:02 - Nov 25 by PaleRider |
This is multi layered and the responsibility lies as follows (in order):
1) The people smugglers. These are organised gangs and the authorities across the EU and the UK need to be acting swiftly to close them down - they must know who they are;
2) The French authorities. They have blood on their hands from the way they treat migrants to police watching them leave. Plus the pathetic excuses - they could patrol the beaches much more effectively if they used tech appropriately - have they not heard of drones? Why aren't they using military capabilities? Macron has played a despicable game and needs to be held to account;
3) The UK government. We should dial down the rhetoric but also encourage the EU to set up assessment centres for asylum claims to the UK. Setting them up in Calais or Dunkirk is too late - they also need to be further back in the chain, say in Germany, Italy, Belgium etc. We also need to process asylum claims more quickly;
4) The people crossing. What sort of person thinks it's ok to take a child on a small, over-crowded boat to cross the Channel at any time of year - let alone in winter? The resources they are wasting with no regard to the safety of lifeboatmen, border force officials etc. is also really selfish. |
Completely agree with all your points. Why an earth are kids in particular, allowed to travel freely on a dinghy to their likely death from a safe, "respectable" EU country? It's just terrible that the immigrants who are already in a safe country, risk their kids lives to cross the Channel and it's a disgrace that the French authorities let them. Macron certainly does have blood on his hands.
And the question has to be asked, why do the immigrants want to leave an already safe country, and risk their likely death to come to the UK? Because we put them up in the top class hotels? Because we have more jobs? Can't they just stay in France, where they are at least safe from torture and war etc? [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 13:51]
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:53 - Nov 25 with 2158 views | Saintsforeverj |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:27 - Nov 25 by solent_toffee |
I agree with everything other than your last point. What are the supposed to do with their children, just leave them? They are absolutely desperate in a way that we could never comprehend. The places they’ve come from, the journey they’ve had and their current situation, completely grim stuff. |
You can understand people fleeing war and torture. But why not stay in France? Why risk death to leave an already safe country? Is the UK worth the life of their kids to get here? [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 13:54]
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 14:04 - Nov 25 with 2141 views | solent_toffee |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:50 - Nov 25 by Saintsforeverj |
Completely agree with all your points. Why an earth are kids in particular, allowed to travel freely on a dinghy to their likely death from a safe, "respectable" EU country? It's just terrible that the immigrants who are already in a safe country, risk their kids lives to cross the Channel and it's a disgrace that the French authorities let them. Macron certainly does have blood on his hands.
And the question has to be asked, why do the immigrants want to leave an already safe country, and risk their likely death to come to the UK? Because we put them up in the top class hotels? Because we have more jobs? Can't they just stay in France, where they are at least safe from torture and war etc? [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 13:51]
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I’m not sure that word gets around the camps in Calais that they get put in top class hotels.
The EU and France are completely shite, there’s no getting away from that, but do we just a blind eye and pretend that these people don’t exist?
I’ve no idea why they would ‘choose’ to come to Britain, maybe the language, maybe a more familiar culture, a reputation for being a safe country. I honestly don’t know.
As the other post states an asylum screening process in Calais would be a start, repatriation for families already here and an exit strategy for those who aren’t accepted. Proper global support at the countries of origin, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan etc. This is the tip of the iceberg though. There are 20 something million displaced people worldwide. This isn’t going to go away because Priti Patel comes out with a couple of angry sou bites. | | | |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 14:07 - Nov 25 with 2134 views | kingslandstand1 |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:53 - Nov 25 by Saintsforeverj |
You can understand people fleeing war and torture. But why not stay in France? Why risk death to leave an already safe country? Is the UK worth the life of their kids to get here? [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 13:54]
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Because the French won't give them free benefits, housing etc and then take years to refuse them the asylum they seek, and even then we'll carry on looking after them
And how come the press can go over th Dunkirk and openly interview one of the trafficers in a full 2 page interview, but the authorities can do bu66er all about them (interview in the Mail on Monday)
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 14:08 - Nov 25 with 2133 views | Bicester_North |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 14:04 - Nov 25 by solent_toffee |
I’m not sure that word gets around the camps in Calais that they get put in top class hotels.
The EU and France are completely shite, there’s no getting away from that, but do we just a blind eye and pretend that these people don’t exist?
I’ve no idea why they would ‘choose’ to come to Britain, maybe the language, maybe a more familiar culture, a reputation for being a safe country. I honestly don’t know.
As the other post states an asylum screening process in Calais would be a start, repatriation for families already here and an exit strategy for those who aren’t accepted. Proper global support at the countries of origin, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan etc. This is the tip of the iceberg though. There are 20 something million displaced people worldwide. This isn’t going to go away because Priti Patel comes out with a couple of angry sou bites. |
Why wouldn’t word get around in the age of mobile phones?
Perhaps someone needs to find out the answer as to why they risk the kids lives to get from mainland Europe, which we are often told Is much better than shitty little Britain. It shouldn’t be that hard to find out. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 14:09]
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 14:11 - Nov 25 with 2128 views | Saintsforeverj |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 14:04 - Nov 25 by solent_toffee |
I’m not sure that word gets around the camps in Calais that they get put in top class hotels.
The EU and France are completely shite, there’s no getting away from that, but do we just a blind eye and pretend that these people don’t exist?
I’ve no idea why they would ‘choose’ to come to Britain, maybe the language, maybe a more familiar culture, a reputation for being a safe country. I honestly don’t know.
As the other post states an asylum screening process in Calais would be a start, repatriation for families already here and an exit strategy for those who aren’t accepted. Proper global support at the countries of origin, Yemen, Syria, Afghanistan etc. This is the tip of the iceberg though. There are 20 something million displaced people worldwide. This isn’t going to go away because Priti Patel comes out with a couple of angry sou bites. |
I think every country has a responsibility to do something about this problem. The French are a disgrace, let's be honest. Anyone can understand starving people fleeing countries at war and where there are risks of torture. They are going to try to leave without a doubt, as staying means they risk death anyway.
But, once they reach the EU, they are safe from those things. Shouldn't all these countries come to an agreement about how many they each take? The French and the EU are seemingly happy for our small islands to have them all. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 14:14]
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 15:29 - Nov 25 with 2090 views | City_boy |
We need to stop making it too attractive, with all the benefits etc.
If most are fleeing war zones and terror etc, why are they not happy with France or any other European country they have passed through in transit. Surely that is better than some of the places they are fleeing.
It's Simple - our benefits, medical and housing is too attractive.
If they are genuine asylum seekers, they should go through the proper process. As for the ones that have destroyed their documents to avoid being returned. They should simply be put in a holding centre until we know where they have come from and do relevant checks.
Many of these are economic migrants.
Even Denmark, a very liberal country is starting to send some back as situations improve in their home countries. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 15:31]
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 15:50 - Nov 25 with 2069 views | DorsetIan |
I am very sure that it is not helping the situation to have a moron like Priti Patel in charge at the Home Office. Hardly the person to come up with imaginative, intelligent solutions.
And, for what it's worth, trying to deter people by making the conditions on arrival ever harsher hasn't worked so far, and is unlikely to work in the future. If people want to come here, and having made it all the way to Calais already, they are hardly likely to be put off by the Booking.com star rating of their likely accommodation. | |
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 15:54 - Nov 25 with 2063 views | Saintsforeverj |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 15:50 - Nov 25 by DorsetIan |
I am very sure that it is not helping the situation to have a moron like Priti Patel in charge at the Home Office. Hardly the person to come up with imaginative, intelligent solutions.
And, for what it's worth, trying to deter people by making the conditions on arrival ever harsher hasn't worked so far, and is unlikely to work in the future. If people want to come here, and having made it all the way to Calais already, they are hardly likely to be put off by the Booking.com star rating of their likely accommodation. |
Priti Patel or not, the French (and the EU) are disgraceful. Digraceful for waving off children on a small boat to their likely death, disgraceful for not stopping them and disgraceful for not being part of an agreement to share the load and sort the problem out. To have an attitude of "let Britain have them all", waving them goodbye is just dreadful. And, knowing that they will be coming from a camp to a fully heated hotel with hotel food, probably doesn't help to dissuade them to make the deathly journey across the Channel. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 16:00]
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 16:18 - Nov 25 with 2040 views | Poirot |
The french are 100% responsible for the deaths and the illegal migrant trail.
Hotels right across our country full of thousands of illegal immigrants, who want things that even the people born here cant get ! How can numerous countries not have secure borders to stop any of this happening. Until we make it clear as day that none of the illegal immigrants will get free housing, free money it wont stop.
These people are not refugees when they travel through numerous countries. A refugee seeks refuge to the nearest safe country. Thats not us thousands of miles away ! |  | | |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 19:42 - Nov 25 with 1953 views | oeuf |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 13:02 - Nov 25 by PaleRider |
This is multi layered and the responsibility lies as follows (in order):
1) The people smugglers. These are organised gangs and the authorities across the EU and the UK need to be acting swiftly to close them down - they must know who they are;
2) The French authorities. They have blood on their hands from the way they treat migrants to police watching them leave. Plus the pathetic excuses - they could patrol the beaches much more effectively if they used tech appropriately - have they not heard of drones? Why aren't they using military capabilities? Macron has played a despicable game and needs to be held to account;
3) The UK government. We should dial down the rhetoric but also encourage the EU to set up assessment centres for asylum claims to the UK. Setting them up in Calais or Dunkirk is too late - they also need to be further back in the chain, say in Germany, Italy, Belgium etc. We also need to process asylum claims more quickly;
4) The people crossing. What sort of person thinks it's ok to take a child on a small, over-crowded boat to cross the Channel at any time of year - let alone in winter? The resources they are wasting with no regard to the safety of lifeboatmen, border force officials etc. is also really selfish. |
That's all correct, but overlooks that people seek out the UK as a destination rather than being satisfied with the first safe place they arrive at. Harsh as it is to say in the aftermath of an awful tragedy, but greed and economic migration is a huge factor in this. The people smugglers are facilitating what people want. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 19:43]
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 21:22 - Nov 25 with 1901 views | Saintsforeverj |
Having watched the news, seeing freezing kids in tents in Calais, just shows what the French are like, doesn't it. This is why they want to get here. Ofcourse they would rather come to the UK and be looked after than sleep in tents by a railway track. And Macron tonight blaming the British, as his authorities watch families sail to their death. Macron has blood on his hands.
Plans being suggested this evening that we will have to put British police on French beaches to sort this, because the French won't do it. And even then, they probably won't let us on their shores. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 21:28]
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 06:56 - Nov 26 with 1821 views | saint68 |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 21:22 - Nov 25 by Saintsforeverj |
Having watched the news, seeing freezing kids in tents in Calais, just shows what the French are like, doesn't it. This is why they want to get here. Ofcourse they would rather come to the UK and be looked after than sleep in tents by a railway track. And Macron tonight blaming the British, as his authorities watch families sail to their death. Macron has blood on his hands.
Plans being suggested this evening that we will have to put British police on French beaches to sort this, because the French won't do it. And even then, they probably won't let us on their shores. [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 21:28]
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Macron as per usual is blaming the UK and squaring the issue on UK immigration policy, not at all surprised as he's the most anti British French Premier in decades.
For the safety of those attempting the crossing, all dinghys should be destroyed on the French beaches by appropriate policing.its a comparatively small section of shore being used , and the French authorities are already aware of most set off points. | |
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 07:09 - Nov 26 with 1819 views | saint68 |
Pritti not welcome to French emergency meeting on Sunday, apparently Macron didn't like his tweet... | |
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 07:47 - Nov 26 with 1804 views | City_boy |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 07:09 - Nov 26 by saint68 |
Pritti not welcome to French emergency meeting on Sunday, apparently Macron didn't like his tweet... |
It's not been confirmed yet that we have been removed from meeting, but probably best if we were going to send Priti Patel. I speak as a Tory, but she is all mouth and no action. She has had months to sort this and the Insulate Britain protests. | | | |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 07:57 - Nov 26 with 1792 views | City_boy |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 07:47 - Nov 26 by City_boy |
It's not been confirmed yet that we have been removed from meeting, but probably best if we were going to send Priti Patel. I speak as a Tory, but she is all mouth and no action. She has had months to sort this and the Insulate Britain protests. |
French interior minister has now cancelled meeting because he got upset about Boris' letter blaming French.
The sooner Macron loses the next election the better. | | | |
| The French need to take responsibility now. on 08:09 - Nov 26 with 1782 views | JaySaint |
The wonderful France/EU using human lives as brexit bargaining chips, as French authorities sit and watch these people depart their beaches
disgraceful, yes? | |
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| The French need to take responsibility now. on 09:02 - Nov 26 with 1757 views | PaleRider |
The joke that sums up the French:
Why are the roads in France all lined with trees? So the Germans could march in the shade.
The sad thing is that this is a solvable problem - it appears no one really wants to solve it. The EU's immigration policy has been a shambles for years, the French play politics with people's lives (even the Byelorussians treat migrants better than the French) and Boris and his cronies try and use stick rather than carrot, together with inflammatory language.
Plus the migrants themselves need to share some responsibility. After all it is them that pay the smugglers, them that believe they have a right to settle in the UK, them that get on the dinghies. It's one thing to want to reach safety and leave a horrific war torn country, it's quite another to pay smugglers thousands to leave the EU to come to the UK. | | | |
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