| Eze interview in the indie on 17:16 - Jan 9 with 2308 views | smegma |
| Eze interview in the indie on 13:28 - Jan 9 by sdm19994 |
Harris letting him go at millwall, deary me. |
Maybe Harris thought he was lazy. He'd feel at home on here. |  | |  |
| Eze interview in the indie on 17:23 - Jan 9 with 2299 views | NorthantsHoop |
Fantastic to see Ebere enjoying his football and what a joy to watch him play it is. All the best to him whatever path he chooses for his future, as he deserves to make it to the very top. Though it would be great if we could hold onto him until the summer. [Post edited 9 Jan 2020 17:24]
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| Eze interview in the indie on 18:33 - Jan 9 with 2245 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Eze interview in the indie on 17:16 - Jan 9 by smegma |
Maybe Harris thought he was lazy. He'd feel at home on here. |
I think we can drop that one now, Smeg.
It must be a year since anyone questioned Eze's workrate. Every one on here is a huge fan. |  |
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| Eze interview in the indie on 18:35 - Jan 9 with 2239 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Lovely article, if a bit short. I'm getting spoiled by the length of features on LFW and The Athletic.
I had no idea how many clubs turned him down. Bizarre. | |
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| Eze interview in the indie on 19:07 - Jan 9 with 2172 views | danehoop |
| Eze interview in the indie on 18:35 - Jan 9 by BrianMcCarthy |
Lovely article, if a bit short. I'm getting spoiled by the length of features on LFW and The Athletic.
I had no idea how many clubs turned him down. Bizarre. |
Brian,
agree it seems odd. Looks like he was recognised as being a decent talent by many clubs, but not what they were necessary looking for in there own systems or where they perhaps had a more developed (or expensive) option already.
We seem to be gaining a reputation as good location to develop and nurture a lot of this young talent with clear pathways into the first team. You would expect that would start to approve quality of the intake that we are now getting compared to 5 years ago. Smegma is probably better placed to say whether that is now manifesting in the youth/development sides that he sees. |  |
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| Eze interview in the indie on 19:12 - Jan 9 with 2162 views | PunteR |
| Eze interview in the indie on 19:07 - Jan 9 by danehoop |
Brian,
agree it seems odd. Looks like he was recognised as being a decent talent by many clubs, but not what they were necessary looking for in there own systems or where they perhaps had a more developed (or expensive) option already.
We seem to be gaining a reputation as good location to develop and nurture a lot of this young talent with clear pathways into the first team. You would expect that would start to approve quality of the intake that we are now getting compared to 5 years ago. Smegma is probably better placed to say whether that is now manifesting in the youth/development sides that he sees. |
Chris Ramsey must be the difference. |  |
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| Eze interview in the indie on 19:13 - Jan 9 with 2160 views | ngbqpr |
My experience of academies is that too often they have a list of tick boxes in a player's development. They need to be hitting 8 or 9 out of 10 of them to be retained as they progress through the year groups. I've often thought if a player is hitting 6 or 7 of them but is truly exceptional at 2 or 3 (especially if those 2 or 3 are technical), they should be persevered with.
Otherwise you risk "a team of James Milners", as a friend of mine said of one of our local academies. I have a lot of time for MIlner, every team needs a Milner, and he would always tick 8 boxes out of 10, but to paraphrase Olly, you can't have a whole team of piano shifters. |  |
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| Eze interview in the indie on 20:05 - Jan 9 with 2107 views | Hunterhoop |
| Eze interview in the indie on 18:33 - Jan 9 by BrianMcCarthy |
I think we can drop that one now, Smeg.
It must be a year since anyone questioned Eze's workrate. Every one on here is a huge fan. |
Not the case in the ground yet, Bri. Still some ST holders near me who want him to work harder and criticise him for his output and work rate.
They’re better, but it’s still there and a bad performance or two and it bubbles up very audibly.
I think the bloke is on a different level to his peers and part of the criticism comes from expectations based on what he can do and has done, rather than how he compares to the other 19 outfield players on the pitch. He’s usually the best footballer on the pitch by some way, even when not at his best. He draws two men, often instructed to double up I would suggest, freeing space for everyone else to look better.
Well done, Chris Ramsey, Paul Hall, Warburton and the club in general. He’s a credit to himself and us. |  | | |
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| Eze interview in the indie on 20:14 - Jan 9 with 2094 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Eze interview in the indie on 19:07 - Jan 9 by danehoop |
Brian,
agree it seems odd. Looks like he was recognised as being a decent talent by many clubs, but not what they were necessary looking for in there own systems or where they perhaps had a more developed (or expensive) option already.
We seem to be gaining a reputation as good location to develop and nurture a lot of this young talent with clear pathways into the first team. You would expect that would start to approve quality of the intake that we are now getting compared to 5 years ago. Smegma is probably better placed to say whether that is now manifesting in the youth/development sides that he sees. |
More or less what I was thinking, Dane. Excellent post.
It may well be, for instance, that the clubs he trialled with after Millwall liked him but had enough players committed in his position(s). Budget is a big thing after all. And to take him on, you have to cut a lad that you've known and worked with for a while. Calculations are made, only time ever tells if they are miscalculations.
Also, as Smegma says, he has improved under our coaching. Also, when he went to those trials, he was unattached and, you would imagine, lacking touch and sharpness no matter how hard he clearly worked to get back into the game.
Still, it's amazing now that no-one saw what we all have seen since he waltzed into our hearts.
They may also have thought that he was a player you have to build a team around. I disagree with this assessment of Eze, I also disagree with the article's (unquoted) assertion that Warburton has built this team around him - it's not true and it does the team, the manager and Eze a disservice. Eze now plays in a structure, albeit a fluid one, and albeit with licence to roam when we attack. His work-rate is excellent, his tackling is clean, his defensive positioning is getting better every month and then, when we win the ball, well.... once free to express... a scale rule and a protractor were never much use to Monet. | |
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| Eze interview in the indie on 21:38 - Jan 9 with 2005 views | BlackCrowe |
| Eze interview in the indie on 15:29 - Jan 9 by LongsufferingR |
They don't have to run. Just stand behind him at a corner. |
Pretty sure you can't have sharp objects on or near the pitch, but i could be wrong.
No thanks needed. |  |
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| Eze interview in the indie on 22:39 - Jan 9 with 1937 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Eze interview in the indie on 20:05 - Jan 9 by Hunterhoop |
Not the case in the ground yet, Bri. Still some ST holders near me who want him to work harder and criticise him for his output and work rate.
They’re better, but it’s still there and a bad performance or two and it bubbles up very audibly.
I think the bloke is on a different level to his peers and part of the criticism comes from expectations based on what he can do and has done, rather than how he compares to the other 19 outfield players on the pitch. He’s usually the best footballer on the pitch by some way, even when not at his best. He draws two men, often instructed to double up I would suggest, freeing space for everyone else to look better.
Well done, Chris Ramsey, Paul Hall, Warburton and the club in general. He’s a credit to himself and us. |
Perfect summation of his talents, Hunter.
I was over at Christmas for the Charlton and Hull games and I thought he looked tired but he was still the best player on the pitch. A different level, as you say.
He had huge support 'round our way. | |
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| Eze interview in the indie on 22:52 - Jan 9 with 1908 views | Loftgirl |
| Eze interview in the indie on 15:19 - Jan 9 by Northernr |
They're where his power lies. That's why he's been getting better and better the longer his hair has grown. |
I thought he lined them up like the bomb aimers in the dam busters. |  | | |
| Eze interview in the indie on 22:54 - Jan 9 with 1900 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Eze interview in the indie on 19:13 - Jan 9 by ngbqpr |
My experience of academies is that too often they have a list of tick boxes in a player's development. They need to be hitting 8 or 9 out of 10 of them to be retained as they progress through the year groups. I've often thought if a player is hitting 6 or 7 of them but is truly exceptional at 2 or 3 (especially if those 2 or 3 are technical), they should be persevered with.
Otherwise you risk "a team of James Milners", as a friend of mine said of one of our local academies. I have a lot of time for MIlner, every team needs a Milner, and he would always tick 8 boxes out of 10, but to paraphrase Olly, you can't have a whole team of piano shifters. |
That's sort of what I was getting at upthread.
Chris Ramsey seems to be a cut above the average academy boss, someone who is able to think for himself and not do the tick-box thing. | | | |
| Eze interview in the indie on 23:10 - Jan 9 with 1877 views | karl |
I'm at risk of making a stupid comment about race due to complete ignorance so please take into consideration I'm a middle aged man who has always lived in a circa 98% white populated area.
I'm sure I read that QPR have the highest percentage/number of BME coaches or employees at high level clubs and does this make a difference tapping into the mentality of these young players at academies thereby understanding what might bring the best out of them?
A young Milner might need a certain type of nurturing whereas these young lads off the London estates are different and Chris Ramsey, and others, are reading into these lads better thereby making it easier to progress them through the system.
It certainly seems that there are a great number of BME youths in the football system and are we seeing some increased value in our youth system these last few years? I can certainly remember some barbed comments on here about Les & Chris preferring certain elements when recruiting staff, haven't heard those comments that much in the last year as I can recall |  | | |
| Eze interview in the indie on 07:15 - Jan 10 with 1741 views | Hunterhoop |
| Eze interview in the indie on 23:10 - Jan 9 by karl |
I'm at risk of making a stupid comment about race due to complete ignorance so please take into consideration I'm a middle aged man who has always lived in a circa 98% white populated area.
I'm sure I read that QPR have the highest percentage/number of BME coaches or employees at high level clubs and does this make a difference tapping into the mentality of these young players at academies thereby understanding what might bring the best out of them?
A young Milner might need a certain type of nurturing whereas these young lads off the London estates are different and Chris Ramsey, and others, are reading into these lads better thereby making it easier to progress them through the system.
It certainly seems that there are a great number of BME youths in the football system and are we seeing some increased value in our youth system these last few years? I can certainly remember some barbed comments on here about Les & Chris preferring certain elements when recruiting staff, haven't heard those comments that much in the last year as I can recall |
Absolutely.
The stick Les got on here where Ramsey was retained as Academy boss after getting the sack as first team boss... And it was worse on social media.
Perhaps he was right and a lot of fans were wrong?
When Les first started in the role he spent the first year telling everyone we had to become the club we used to be (when he played for us) to compete and succeed: find young talent, bring it in, develop, and sell on at a much higher price.
Much easier said than done. Everyone accepts that. But what people missed on those first couple of years, is that sort of strategy takes time. We’ve had some success and some failures to date on it, but we’re on the verge of securing an amount that will keep us financially secure for a couple of seasons, and with ready made replacements standing by.
Consider when he joined how man saleable assists we had which we could make a really big profit under.
Look at the list below, and consider they cost us nothing to sign in most case and all began on very low salaries:
Eze
Chair
BOS (might have been a tiny fee if I recall)
Manning (very small fee)
Masterson
Paul Smyth
Shodipo
Dalling
Kane
Plus a number of prospects in the youth set up..and many more likely to be attracted by the success of the likes of Eze and our coaches).
Causation takes time. Correlation is what people easily (and falsely) judge performance on.
We’re now beginning to see the fruits of the change in strategy 5 years ago.
If we don’t breach FFP this year (which all noises from the club indicate), we’re through that wood and out the other side in a much stronger place to negotiate.
Obviously there have been some failings along the way, and we’d have liked more for those sold in tougher financial situations. But surely the club and our self sufficiency is in a better place now than at any time since Les was playing? Exactly as the bloke said he intended when he arrived. Fair play. | | | |
| Eze interview in the indie on 09:08 - Jan 10 with 1689 views | Northernr |
| Eze interview in the indie on 19:12 - Jan 9 by PunteR |
Chris Ramsey must be the difference. |
Another one supporters tried to drum out of the club... |  | | |
| Eze interview in the indie on 09:19 - Jan 10 with 1665 views | DWQPR |
| Eze interview in the indie on 07:15 - Jan 10 by Hunterhoop |
Absolutely.
The stick Les got on here where Ramsey was retained as Academy boss after getting the sack as first team boss... And it was worse on social media.
Perhaps he was right and a lot of fans were wrong?
When Les first started in the role he spent the first year telling everyone we had to become the club we used to be (when he played for us) to compete and succeed: find young talent, bring it in, develop, and sell on at a much higher price.
Much easier said than done. Everyone accepts that. But what people missed on those first couple of years, is that sort of strategy takes time. We’ve had some success and some failures to date on it, but we’re on the verge of securing an amount that will keep us financially secure for a couple of seasons, and with ready made replacements standing by.
Consider when he joined how man saleable assists we had which we could make a really big profit under.
Look at the list below, and consider they cost us nothing to sign in most case and all began on very low salaries:
Eze
Chair
BOS (might have been a tiny fee if I recall)
Manning (very small fee)
Masterson
Paul Smyth
Shodipo
Dalling
Kane
Plus a number of prospects in the youth set up..and many more likely to be attracted by the success of the likes of Eze and our coaches).
Causation takes time. Correlation is what people easily (and falsely) judge performance on.
We’re now beginning to see the fruits of the change in strategy 5 years ago.
If we don’t breach FFP this year (which all noises from the club indicate), we’re through that wood and out the other side in a much stronger place to negotiate.
Obviously there have been some failings along the way, and we’d have liked more for those sold in tougher financial situations. But surely the club and our self sufficiency is in a better place now than at any time since Les was playing? Exactly as the bloke said he intended when he arrived. Fair play. |
Should also be noted that for the first time in Christ knows whenever we got some serious money for a youth product in Darnell Furlong. | |
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| Eze interview in the indie on 09:24 - Jan 10 with 1655 views | ElHoop |
I definitely thought that he needed to work harder and he could and he did. If he moves on to a big club then he'll have to work harder still - but he can do that too. He's a fantastic talent but I don't think that you ever did him any favours by saying that some aspects of his play couldn't be improved and pointing out those areas. Sir Les himself was a bit all over the place before he went out to Turkey but he came back the better for it and never stopped improving after that.
For me the difference has been Warburton. He's actually managed to join the dots between the footballing side and the financial side of the club. He's both what Hoos needed as a manager and what Sir Les needed, so hopefully he'll be here for years to come as he won't be easily replaced. That doesn't in any way belittle the efforts of Sir Les and his team or those of Hoos, but Warburton has been the final ingredient that we needed in order to move forwards. |  | | |
| Eze interview in the indie on 11:23 - Jan 10 with 1571 views | superhoopdownunder |
Good interview and seems level headed. Eze played well last season but has reached a higher level this season and been much more consistent.
It is much more fun to watch our younger players develop and go through the levels rather than watching the mercenaries from a few years ago. I hope our owners enjoy this approach more as well. | | | |
| Eze interview in the indie on 13:57 - Jan 10 with 1451 views | A40Bosh |
| Eze interview in the indie on 13:21 - Jan 9 by CiderwithRsie |
The bit that stands out to me is that scouts could always see the talent but academy coaches saw him as a luxury.
I'll hazard a guess that the key is in having a youth coach that understands that rough diamonds need careful polishing, knows how to do that, and is willing to put in the effort to bring it out rather than just churn out standard issue players who can do the basics.
TBF the fact that he acknowledges that by the time he got a trial with us he knew he was looking at working in Tesco if he didn't make it may have sharpened his attitude a bit.
I couldn't coach a potato to stay in the ground - maybe some of the coaches on here could comment? |
A good mate of mine is a Head Teacher (Primary) in the suburbs of North West London. One of his ex-pupils is now coming up to approaching 16 and has a strong chance of being given a contract by QPR this summer. The High school have asked my mate if he will be a "mentor" of this ex-pupil because the kid reckons that my mate "gets him" and doesn't like any of the High school management team. The school were getting to the stage where they were stopping his day release to QPR because of his behaviour and inability to abide by any of the school's basic rules. If the school stopped the day release then it would be curtains with QPR for this kid.
My mate has had a couple of meetings with this kid as he remembered him well and what a talent he is and is aware of the unstable family background etc He reminded him of a young Raheem at that age. So my mate is trying to convince the kid that he has only a few short months left where he has to pull his weight some bit and be some bit compliant with the school rules and then he can spend the rest of his life proving he can make it as a footballer which is his only aim.
Schools have to continue to do their bit because unfortunately so many teenagers think they are the next Messi and don't have to worry about getting any GCSEs but the system cannot simply step back and watch 90% of them shoot themselves in the foot and leave them to it and rot [Post edited 10 Jan 2020 13:59]
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| Eze interview in the indie on 14:30 - Jan 10 with 1412 views | rsonist |
Re academies, I think people are extrapolating a bit from it being Harris and Millwall that let him go.
Arsenal, Fulham, Reading, Bristol City and Swansea also passed on him and they're among the most productive and progressive youth systems in the country these days.
Even at Millwall their u18s are meant to be pretty special at the moment (although that's probably just South London being such fertile ground - see Charlton and Palace).
Who knows what made the difference with Eze, but don't think we don't have a very long way to go yet on this front. |  | | |
| Eze interview in the indie on 15:04 - Jan 10 with 1365 views | TacticalR |
The funny thing is that the academy system, which Eze wanted to be part of, couldn't beat the talent out of him. It would have been much easier for him to adapt at Arsenal and become a tiki-taka player (which is what Arsenal are trying to produce), but he didn't want to do that:
'All I could think was if you only you knew in my head how much I want this. It’s probably a bad thing but I didn’t think I needed to change [the type of player I was]. I probably should’ve tried to adapt, not play two different systems in one team, but I just wanted to get on the ball and enjoy myself.'
You might say that he understood his own talent.
This is what Cruyff thought was wrong with the system at Ajax and was rebelling against . |  |
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| Eze interview in the indie on 21:24 - Jan 10 with 1241 views | Hunterhoop |
| Eze interview in the indie on 15:04 - Jan 10 by TacticalR |
The funny thing is that the academy system, which Eze wanted to be part of, couldn't beat the talent out of him. It would have been much easier for him to adapt at Arsenal and become a tiki-taka player (which is what Arsenal are trying to produce), but he didn't want to do that:
'All I could think was if you only you knew in my head how much I want this. It’s probably a bad thing but I didn’t think I needed to change [the type of player I was]. I probably should’ve tried to adapt, not play two different systems in one team, but I just wanted to get on the ball and enjoy myself.'
You might say that he understood his own talent.
This is what Cruyff thought was wrong with the system at Ajax and was rebelling against . |
And boy was it good that Eze did understand his own talent.
At youth level, take the best footballers. Who knows how life turns out, who’s managing the first team and who’s owning the club 3-5 years later! It is fundamentally short termism to recruit and maintain youth players who fit a system at that point in time; keep the best players, develop and work with them.
Frankly you’re better off having 11 great left backs at 16 than 11 average footballers but with all positions covered. | | | |
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