| Red Cards Today 15:03 - Jan 24 with 5702 views | Huw57 |
Go on then, which, in your opinion, were right or wrong.
Kyle Bartley's - Not a red.
Gylfi Sigurdsson's - Not a red. [Post edited 24 Jan 2015 15:04]
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| Red Cards Today on 19:30 - Jan 24 with 1572 views | Gowerjack |
Both correct.
No question at all. |  |
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| Red Cards Today on 19:39 - Jan 24 with 1554 views | jacksinceever |
| Red Cards Today on 15:56 - Jan 24 by grabsplatter |
No, Gylfi was stupid & got what he deserved - just as jjs has been equally stupid previously.
The only thing I'd say in Gylfis defence is that he hasn't done it before - I'd still fine him for a lack of discipline though.
JJS has previous & could have seen a red for a stray arm a couple of times last season but got away with it |
The worst part about Gylfi's sending off is that at that stage in a cup match, whatever Blackburn had done from there (gone on to score, wasted time, whatever) would have made no difference to the outcome of the game. It was already lost.
So a needless ban for Gylfi which will now affect us at a point that matters in one of the future games.
I felt both were a bit jobsworth, but within the confines of a red. therefore they won't be rescinded IMO. |  | | |
| Red Cards Today on 19:47 - Jan 24 with 1549 views | jack_lord |
The bit I don't understand is that the player wasn't in a goal scoring position (or whatever they call it) and both players were challenging. If it were a foul and worthy of a card then give a yellow. There were a number of challenges on other players that escaped a foul or when they were penalised no card was produced.
My rose tinted Swans spectacles say that Siggy was a yellow but thay may have been in frustration of what I had watched. |  |
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| Red Cards Today on 19:51 - Jan 24 with 1541 views | skippyjack |
| Red Cards Today on 19:47 - Jan 24 by jack_lord |
The bit I don't understand is that the player wasn't in a goal scoring position (or whatever they call it) and both players were challenging. If it were a foul and worthy of a card then give a yellow. There were a number of challenges on other players that escaped a foul or when they were penalised no card was produced.
My rose tinted Swans spectacles say that Siggy was a yellow but thay may have been in frustration of what I had watched. |
You've got to watch it from a Blackburn perspective.. and they're both reds.. not a Swansea perspective.. |  |
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| Red Cards Today on 20:06 - Jan 24 with 1521 views | jack247 |
| Red Cards Today on 19:47 - Jan 24 by jack_lord |
The bit I don't understand is that the player wasn't in a goal scoring position (or whatever they call it) and both players were challenging. If it were a foul and worthy of a card then give a yellow. There were a number of challenges on other players that escaped a foul or when they were penalised no card was produced.
My rose tinted Swans spectacles say that Siggy was a yellow but thay may have been in frustration of what I had watched. |
Doesn't have to be in a shooting position, he has to have a clear run on goal. Doesn't matter how far out.
The Siggy one looked a borderline yellow/red to me and we all know what tends to happen to us when refs have 50/50 calls to make. As someone implied earlier, regardless of what colour the card should have been, the game was over and there was no need to lunge in. Out for the next 3 games now. Iresponsible. |  | | |
| Red Cards Today on 20:19 - Jan 24 with 1514 views | trampie |
Its all relative, like most things in life.
Would the Swans players sent off this season been sent off if they were Man Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea players every time in the same situation at the same stage of the match ?
Looking at one incident in isolation is missing the point, would players from those clubs been sent off after 5 mins like Bartley was ?, Bartley was goal side and he was pushed from behind, to say oh i can see why he was sent off is to miss the point, with Swansea its every time all of the time with lots of other teams most of the time in the same situation they would not have players sent off. [Post edited 24 Jan 2015 20:23]
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| Red Cards Today on 20:48 - Jan 24 with 1492 views | STEVE1 |
| Red Cards Today on 19:51 - Jan 24 by skippyjack |
You've got to watch it from a Blackburn perspective.. and they're both reds.. not a Swansea perspective.. |
If your looking at it from a Blackburn perspective their manger actually stated in the after match interview he did not think it was a foul by Bartley and it should not have been a red. | | | |
| Red Cards Today on 20:48 - Jan 24 with 1492 views | Flashberryjack |
| Red Cards Today on 15:33 - Jan 24 by Trundle10 |
If Bartley was playing for Man UTD at OT then no way would that have been even a caution |
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I've no problem with Bartley being sent off ......but that happens all the time with the ref taking no action .
The Siggy tackle was stupid, but not dangerous, also see this every week with only a yellow card given. |  |
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| Red Cards Today on 20:59 - Jan 24 with 1484 views | STEVE1 |
| Red Cards Today on 20:48 - Jan 24 by Flashberryjack |
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I've no problem with Bartley being sent off ......but that happens all the time with the ref taking no action .
The Siggy tackle was stupid, but not dangerous, also see this every week with only a yellow card given. |
I think the siggy tackle would have had a yellow 9 times out of ten we just get no luck pointless appealing as it is opinion I cannot see it being overturned. | | | |
| Red Cards Today on 21:11 - Jan 24 with 1473 views | Flashberryjack |
| Red Cards Today on 20:59 - Jan 24 by STEVE1 |
I think the siggy tackle would have had a yellow 9 times out of ten we just get no luck pointless appealing as it is opinion I cannot see it being overturned. |
I don't know the answer, but I wonder what the ratio of yellow and red cards given to us for the amount of fouls we commit, comparable to others in this league.
The amount of cards we are picking up would suggest we are nothing more than a bunch cloggers | |
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| Red Cards Today on 22:22 - Jan 24 with 1441 views | jackbazza |
absolutly 2 red cards......Bartley slowed down to get the man...........Siggy was 2 weeks too late with his tackle |  |
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| Red Cards Today on 22:51 - Jan 24 with 1420 views | Private_Partz |
| Red Cards Today on 15:32 - Jan 24 by 3swan |
Bartley - no should have been a yellow
Sigurdsson - yes, look at the intent on his face as he dived in |
Strange how we see things differently. The camera angle showed Siggy's face and to me it seemed he was stretching in to get the ball when he had no chance and caught the player on the knee. The look on his face did not suggest malice to me and as soon as he had mistimed his effort I thought he recognised what a clumsy tackle he had made. I have seen free kicks given without any action when our players have been tackled in a similar manner.
Bartley was different as it was an outstretched arm and he was last man. Unfortunately the other player was not blameless either but once the free kick is given the red card was inevitable. |  |
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| Red Cards Today on 23:14 - Jan 24 with 1405 views | JackFish |
Both borderline IMO, once the foul is given against Bartley then it's probably a red, but not convinced it's a foul. Siggy's is late and from behind, not sure what he's thinking but it didn't look malicious. If either of those two challenges had come from Blackburn they wouldn't have been sent off. |  | | |
| Red Cards Today on 23:19 - Jan 24 with 1400 views | skippyjack |
| Red Cards Today on 20:48 - Jan 24 by STEVE1 |
If your looking at it from a Blackburn perspective their manger actually stated in the after match interview he did not think it was a foul by Bartley and it should not have been a red. |
He's obviously correct..(f*ck me..any jobs going?.. I am concerned by society in general..when I can actually come to the correct conclusion.. | |
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| Red Cards Today on 01:36 - Jan 25 with 1270 views | JJJack |
| Red Cards Today on 20:48 - Jan 24 by STEVE1 |
If your looking at it from a Blackburn perspective their manger actually stated in the after match interview he did not think it was a foul by Bartley and it should not have been a red. |
Good post. If the Blackburn boss doesn't even think it was a foul then that tells you everything. As Trampie correctly says, just look how often we get reds in relation to other teams and particularly early reds....Taylor 1st min of a play off Semi FFS!, that Spanish CB against Palace under Sousa 13th min I think and now today. I cannot remember the last player to see red against us and cannot remember ANY instance of an early red for an oppo player. It's really twisting my guts because it's increasingly obvious that we just don't get the rub of the green from officials |  | | |
| Red Cards Today on 01:39 - Jan 25 with 1269 views | dameedna |
Bartley the carthorse
Siggurdsson the donkey
How many Premiership teams get two sent off against lower league opposition?
Not a good team at the moment we are missing some composure and ability |  | | |
| Red Cards Today on 01:43 - Jan 25 with 1266 views | TNT |
Game has gone soft!
Both yellow.
11v11 until the end of the game, best team wins. | |
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| Red Cards Today on 07:36 - Jan 25 with 1250 views | somersetsimon |
| Red Cards Today on 20:48 - Jan 24 by STEVE1 |
If your looking at it from a Blackburn perspective their manger actually stated in the after match interview he did not think it was a foul by Bartley and it should not have been a red. |
Yes, Bartley has his arm across him, but it didn't look like he was grabbing his shirt or pulling him. It looked like it was a push from King that sent them both to the floor. Nobody would have been surprised if the referee had given a free-kick the other way or given nothing. |  | | |
| Red Cards Today on 14:01 - Jan 25 with 1202 views | somersetsimon |
Looking at it again, it's never a red. He doesn't dive in and his studs aren't up. It's a foul from behind, but I can't see how you'd ever call it dangerous or serious foul play. | | | |
| Red Cards Today on 14:11 - Jan 25 with 1195 views | blaine_scfc |
You can see why the Bartley one was given, he should of dealt with that a lot better, he seemed to slow down and let the lad back in.
Siggys a yellow in my opinion, we won't win an appeal if we try though. |  | | |
| Red Cards Today on 14:34 - Jan 25 with 1175 views | Private_Partz |
A Bristol City player just did and identical tackle to Siggy's on a WH player. In fact it was much more aggressive and he did not even receive a booking. [Post edited 25 Jan 2015 14:39]
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| Red Cards Today on 14:38 - Jan 25 with 1167 views | trampie |
| Red Cards Today on 14:11 - Jan 25 by blaine_scfc |
You can see why the Bartley one was given, he should of dealt with that a lot better, he seemed to slow down and let the lad back in.
Siggys a yellow in my opinion, we won't win an appeal if we try though. |
Match of the day showed that at the time that Bartley and the Blackburn forward collided the referee in all likelihood was unable to see the incident at the time of the collision as there was players in the way, they had a good camera angle right behind the ref and at the moment of the players coming together it looked like the ref would have been unsighted.
Which makes it all the more incredible that the ref sent the Swansea player off and after only 5 mins (the time should not make a difference but often does). | |
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| Red Cards Today on 14:42 - Jan 25 with 1162 views | Private_Partz |
| Red Cards Today on 14:38 - Jan 25 by trampie |
Match of the day showed that at the time that Bartley and the Blackburn forward collided the referee in all likelihood was unable to see the incident at the time of the collision as there was players in the way, they had a good camera angle right behind the ref and at the moment of the players coming together it looked like the ref would have been unsighted.
Which makes it all the more incredible that the ref sent the Swansea player off and after only 5 mins (the time should not make a difference but often does). |
Early on in the games sensible refs have a chat with the player. We seem to get precious little of this.
The result of this turned the whole game in my opinion and we more than likely would have got a result.
Edit: Lee Mason is the ref at Bristol and has been. Very lenient. I almost wish we had had him at Blackburn but I bet the outcome would have be the same. It seems Gary is right and refs love to wave red cards at us. [Post edited 25 Jan 2015 14:53]
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| Red Cards Today on 15:23 - Jan 25 with 1141 views | somersetsimon |
| Red Cards Today on 14:42 - Jan 25 by Private_Partz |
Early on in the games sensible refs have a chat with the player. We seem to get precious little of this.
The result of this turned the whole game in my opinion and we more than likely would have got a result.
Edit: Lee Mason is the ref at Bristol and has been. Very lenient. I almost wish we had had him at Blackburn but I bet the outcome would have be the same. It seems Gary is right and refs love to wave red cards at us. [Post edited 25 Jan 2015 14:53]
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"It seems Gary is right and refs love to wave red cards at us."
I checked the figures and, despite committing less fouls than our opponents, we have had 8 players sent off and our opponents have had none sent off. | | | |
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