| Linford Christie Stadium. 18:04 - Aug 9 with 148540 views | ted_hendrix |
That's where our new ground will be. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:24 - Jul 21 with 2774 views | QPRConor2000 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:08 - Jul 21 by joe90 |
We need to stop dreaming about:
A: Building a stadium that will generate money outside of match day
B: Significant redevelopment of Loftus Road
What we need from a new ground is reduced overheads and increased match day revenue. Those two points are both possible.
The main issue is finding a location. Ideally we want to stay in and around the W12 area. That seems like a pipe dream at the moment.
The less attractive and sadly most likely option is moving to a new location on the western outskirts of London. My fear is that we do that and build a Madejski style stadium in a soulless area. I love QPR but I don’t know if I love them that much. Being in W12 and what that adds to the match day experience and the identity of the club is all part of what I love about going to QPR. Take that away and what have you got? [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 11:27]
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From the last update on LCS, they are now seriously considering redoing the athletics track, building a new lido, a new stand and new changing facilities, but there is no room for QPR, btw this is from March 2023, so very recent.
I do wonder if the club have already accepted that we are not going to get that site, and have withdrawn their interest.
https://www.shepherdsbushw12.com/#!pages/shepherdsbushw12:info:ldrslinfordchrist |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:51 - Jul 21 with 2671 views | Rs_Holy |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:24 - Jul 21 by QPRConor2000 |
From the last update on LCS, they are now seriously considering redoing the athletics track, building a new lido, a new stand and new changing facilities, but there is no room for QPR, btw this is from March 2023, so very recent.
I do wonder if the club have already accepted that we are not going to get that site, and have withdrawn their interest.
https://www.shepherdsbushw12.com/#!pages/shepherdsbushw12:info:ldrslinfordchrist |
Yep... seems H&F see us as the black sheep of the of the football club family...
Looking at Google maps and scratching around for suitable bits of land as close to Hammersmith as poss ... it’s quite tricky finding something that ticks all the boxes.
And then you scan back, and Wormwood Scrubs slaps you in the face... Its MASSIVE compared to everything else nearby. It would accommodate the Wembley Stadium footprint several times over, and yet H&F deem it unsuitable for a 25,000ish football stadium. Even Little Wormwood Scrubs is a big enough chunk of land (used predominantly only for picnics and dog walking). Stick the stadium in the top left-hand corner next to the industrial units and well away from the flats on Sutton Way. You could even retain a big enough open space to accommodate the dog walking/ picnic loving fraternity....
I think if H&F were receptive to a move for QPR they could find a way…. I’m not holding my breath. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:52 - Jul 21 with 2665 views | QPRConor2000 |
I wonder if the club has looked at the Old Ski Slope in Hillingdon?
Its right next to the A40 and you have two tube stations nearby so there is easy access to get there. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:02 - Jul 21 with 2606 views | Hoopsie |
Has the club explore any sites in Ealing or Brent? These boroughs might be keen to work with QPR as been shown with Ealing being quite supportive of us on Warren Farm.
Hammersmith and Fulham having 3 big clubs in a borough is quite unique in London. At this moment in time, we appear to be the “third” club.
Perhaps even Hounslow as we have Heston there, but that would make us west of Brentford. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:14 - Jul 21 with 2564 views | BostonR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:24 - Jul 21 by QPRConor2000 |
From the last update on LCS, they are now seriously considering redoing the athletics track, building a new lido, a new stand and new changing facilities, but there is no room for QPR, btw this is from March 2023, so very recent.
I do wonder if the club have already accepted that we are not going to get that site, and have withdrawn their interest.
https://www.shepherdsbushw12.com/#!pages/shepherdsbushw12:info:ldrslinfordchrist |
It's incredible when you listen to some of these local groups. Where on earth do they think they are going to get the substantial funding to re-build, refurbish and install an outside swimming pool? Certainly not from H&F who like most local authorities have very little investment funds.
I have been involved in global real-estate re-investment for over 40yrs and generally money-talks. Clearly, any plans have to align with the local development plan and R's are clearly in that proposal.
At a very basic level, either H&F are asking too much financially from the Board or the Board have neither shown their hand or may have refused to engage with H&F on those terms. Ruben's comment that they are hard to work with, would suggest H&F are asking too much from the Board.
What is not in doubt is that the R's Board are incredibly wealthy and this type of re-investment would not jolt them financially.
I think that we may turn to Hounslow who appear to have supported the development of the training ground at every step. Either H&F engage (and quickly) or the Board will walk and that is what I would advise them to do. Let's see how long H&F would take to re-engage. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:31 - Jul 21 with 2484 views | joe90 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:24 - Jul 21 by QPRConor2000 |
From the last update on LCS, they are now seriously considering redoing the athletics track, building a new lido, a new stand and new changing facilities, but there is no room for QPR, btw this is from March 2023, so very recent.
I do wonder if the club have already accepted that we are not going to get that site, and have withdrawn their interest.
https://www.shepherdsbushw12.com/#!pages/shepherdsbushw12:info:ldrslinfordchrist |
I can see why that is a more attractive proposal than building a new football stadium. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:36 - Jul 21 with 2459 views | QPRConor2000 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:14 - Jul 21 by BostonR |
It's incredible when you listen to some of these local groups. Where on earth do they think they are going to get the substantial funding to re-build, refurbish and install an outside swimming pool? Certainly not from H&F who like most local authorities have very little investment funds.
I have been involved in global real-estate re-investment for over 40yrs and generally money-talks. Clearly, any plans have to align with the local development plan and R's are clearly in that proposal.
At a very basic level, either H&F are asking too much financially from the Board or the Board have neither shown their hand or may have refused to engage with H&F on those terms. Ruben's comment that they are hard to work with, would suggest H&F are asking too much from the Board.
What is not in doubt is that the R's Board are incredibly wealthy and this type of re-investment would not jolt them financially.
I think that we may turn to Hounslow who appear to have supported the development of the training ground at every step. Either H&F engage (and quickly) or the Board will walk and that is what I would advise them to do. Let's see how long H&F would take to re-engage. |
I personally think the chances of us moving outside the borough are only increasing by the day.
I personally think a move to Ealing, Hillingdon, Acton or Hounslow is probably our best bet now.
I just think the club need to start being more transparent with the conversations they have had with the council, I will be submitting a FOI request shortly asking them to disclose any meetings they have had between them and the council and the minutes from those meetings.
I think the club needs to start actively putting out deadlines now or we will only be stuck in limbo. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:37 - Jul 21 with 2459 views | kernowhoop |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:52 - Jul 21 by QPRConor2000 |
I wonder if the club has looked at the Old Ski Slope in Hillingdon?
Its right next to the A40 and you have two tube stations nearby so there is easy access to get there. |
When we win the toss, we opt to play down towards the new loft end in the second half? | | | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:40 - Jul 21 with 2452 views | DannyPaddox |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:52 - Jul 21 by QPRConor2000 |
I wonder if the club has looked at the Old Ski Slope in Hillingdon?
Its right next to the A40 and you have two tube stations nearby so there is easy access to get there. |
Snow-Plough Lane? |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:48 - Jul 21 with 2290 views | QPRConor2000 |
Has anyone actually wrote to the council with a FOI request or simply to write to the club requesting that they start putting deadlines down to the council. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:54 - Jul 21 with 2239 views | izlingtonhoop |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:40 - Jul 21 by DannyPaddox |
Snow-Plough Lane? |
Don't know why someone down arrowed that.
It certainly gave me a lift... [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 12:55]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:17 - Jul 21 with 2163 views | izlingtonhoop |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:40 - Jul 21 by DannyPaddox |
Snow-Plough Lane? |
How about Mad J Stadium?
Once we've got rid of the ski. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:46 - Jul 21 with 2053 views | RangersDave |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:52 - Jul 21 by QPRConor2000 |
I wonder if the club has looked at the Old Ski Slope in Hillingdon?
Its right next to the A40 and you have two tube stations nearby so there is easy access to get there. |
pitch would be sloping mate! |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:56 - Jul 21 with 2022 views | toboboly |
Would it be worth converting the School Lower into luxury boxes, the whole downstairs. We don't use it often and then suddenly you get a huge amount of corporate space/exec boxes which would bring loads of cash in and could be doubled as this much vaunted meeting space when games aren't on? |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:22 - Jul 21 with 1953 views | Lanhoop |
Have to agree with the position that there's not enough demand for event/conference facilities any more. I used to get multiple invites to multiple conferences every week pre-covid, now they are very rare. Apart from the biggest events everything is a now a webcast or zoom meeting. Last year, I did some work for a company that organises conferences and they were really struggling and having to save money and become more digital in their strategy.
Also, with the demand for commercial space down to 30% of what it was pre-covid and office space being converted to residential across most suburbs you'd have to be brave or crazy to invest in offices too.
Depending on the location, onsite retail and residential space are probably more complex to include but more likely to offer sensible investment opportunity.
Whatever happens and, wherever and whenever, it feels like it won't be in H&C. I think Brent or Ealing would be ok, Hillingdon or Hounslow feels like too much of a move for me. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:23 - Jul 21 with 4696 views | CamberleyR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:56 - Jul 21 by toboboly |
Would it be worth converting the School Lower into luxury boxes, the whole downstairs. We don't use it often and then suddenly you get a huge amount of corporate space/exec boxes which would bring loads of cash in and could be doubled as this much vaunted meeting space when games aren't on? |
Maybe leave the school lower as is and have a double decker row of boxes above. I think you'd get a better view of the game than at pitch level. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 19:55 - Jul 21 with 4497 views | QPRConor2000 |
I personally would look at remodelling the School End into a single tiered stand within the existing boundaries
You could do it by removing the concrete terracing units and the concourse in the upper tier, but you keep the lower tier concourse, the floodlights and the roof
In its place you would build a semi permanent seating structure internally, I think you could end up getting 3000 seats if we went down this route.
Furthermore, you could also add the option of making it flexible too as you would link up the Ellerslie Road and the SA road entrances and exits so you could ether split the stand down the middle or by a third, depending on away fans demand.
I think its worth perhaps considering. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 20:03 - Jul 21 with 4485 views | Sonofpugwash |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 19:55 - Jul 21 by QPRConor2000 |
I personally would look at remodelling the School End into a single tiered stand within the existing boundaries
You could do it by removing the concrete terracing units and the concourse in the upper tier, but you keep the lower tier concourse, the floodlights and the roof
In its place you would build a semi permanent seating structure internally, I think you could end up getting 3000 seats if we went down this route.
Furthermore, you could also add the option of making it flexible too as you would link up the Ellerslie Road and the SA road entrances and exits so you could ether split the stand down the middle or by a third, depending on away fans demand.
I think its worth perhaps considering. |
Where would the exits be? |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:10 - Jul 21 with 4438 views | QPRConor2000 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 20:03 - Jul 21 by Sonofpugwash |
Where would the exits be? |
The exits would be the ones on Ellerslie Road, as the staircase that leads up to the upper tier would no longer be there, as well as the existing lower tier exit on SA Road, next to the club shop. [Post edited 21 Jul 2023 21:11]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:55 - Jul 21 with 4348 views | Hoopsie |
With reference to my previous post of QPR being the third club in L&F, under the H&F Local Plan planning guidelines - Appendix 3 - Open Space Hierarchy - outdoor sporting facilities :
OS40 Chelsea FC, Stamford Bridge
OS41 Fulham FC, Stevenage Road
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OS45 Queens Park Rangers FC, Loftus Road
- end of list*
The Hurlingham Club Grounds, Parsons Green Club and Queens Club ( these occupy the triple … lines) are ranked higher in terms of importance to the council than Loftus Road
* Loftus Road is last entry in the list of Open Space Hierarchy. Interestingly, the first ranked open space is Wormwood Scrubs which is designated a Metropolitan Open Land, which is actually the site of the Linford Christie Stadium (plus open ground to the east). The whole of Wormwood Scrubs Park is also under the Old Oak & Park Royal Development Corporation Area, if I am reading the planning maps correctly.
From the council statement, “On Wormwood Scrubs, now in the Old Oak and Park Royal Development Corporation, there is also a designated local nature reserve. The NPPF (national planning policy framework) allows for communities to identify green areas of particular local significance and value for designation as Local Green Space”
Pertaining to Linford Christie, the Council will be “seeking improvements to existing open space and the facilities within them, such as Linford Christie Stadium, where appropriate and when development proposals impact upon provision”
It does not specifically states a new 30,000 stadium for LC for example but is rather open to development that abide by its general provisions to “reduce open space deficiency and will protect and enhance the quality of, and access, to existing open space”.
What does it all means? I don’t really know except that the council is not supportive of a redevelopment of LR (new 20,000+ stadium with increase heights and massing so on and so forth) as the area is proposed for residential led development with the retaining of significant open space for community use in a regeneration area (white city)
And with regards to LCS, the council is not specific about what development (athletic track, 20-30k stadium etc) but set out general provisions to guide them on merits of any development plans put forth. Being a metropolitan open land (MOL) I think the council will have final say on the suitability of the proposals?
As with Old Oak, I suppose the club expects the Council to gift the site to them (for free or a pittance?) and so in funding the stadium and surrounding works (a new athletic track?) with most of their own money thinking the club gift the council a much improved public leisure space? I am just guessing but it could be something bigger that broke down communication on both sides. | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:30 - Jul 21 with 4291 views | QPR_Jim |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:55 - Jul 21 by Hoopsie |
With reference to my previous post of QPR being the third club in L&F, under the H&F Local Plan planning guidelines - Appendix 3 - Open Space Hierarchy - outdoor sporting facilities :
OS40 Chelsea FC, Stamford Bridge
OS41 Fulham FC, Stevenage Road
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OS45 Queens Park Rangers FC, Loftus Road
- end of list*
The Hurlingham Club Grounds, Parsons Green Club and Queens Club ( these occupy the triple … lines) are ranked higher in terms of importance to the council than Loftus Road
* Loftus Road is last entry in the list of Open Space Hierarchy. Interestingly, the first ranked open space is Wormwood Scrubs which is designated a Metropolitan Open Land, which is actually the site of the Linford Christie Stadium (plus open ground to the east). The whole of Wormwood Scrubs Park is also under the Old Oak & Park Royal Development Corporation Area, if I am reading the planning maps correctly.
From the council statement, “On Wormwood Scrubs, now in the Old Oak and Park Royal Development Corporation, there is also a designated local nature reserve. The NPPF (national planning policy framework) allows for communities to identify green areas of particular local significance and value for designation as Local Green Space”
Pertaining to Linford Christie, the Council will be “seeking improvements to existing open space and the facilities within them, such as Linford Christie Stadium, where appropriate and when development proposals impact upon provision”
It does not specifically states a new 30,000 stadium for LC for example but is rather open to development that abide by its general provisions to “reduce open space deficiency and will protect and enhance the quality of, and access, to existing open space”.
What does it all means? I don’t really know except that the council is not supportive of a redevelopment of LR (new 20,000+ stadium with increase heights and massing so on and so forth) as the area is proposed for residential led development with the retaining of significant open space for community use in a regeneration area (white city)
And with regards to LCS, the council is not specific about what development (athletic track, 20-30k stadium etc) but set out general provisions to guide them on merits of any development plans put forth. Being a metropolitan open land (MOL) I think the council will have final say on the suitability of the proposals?
As with Old Oak, I suppose the club expects the Council to gift the site to them (for free or a pittance?) and so in funding the stadium and surrounding works (a new athletic track?) with most of their own money thinking the club gift the council a much improved public leisure space? I am just guessing but it could be something bigger that broke down communication on both sides. |
The last bit about ownership I think that's what the key issue is at the Linford Christie Stadium.
Club would want a long lease like the warren farm set up where they build the stadium for private use tailored to QPR and provide some community use (although at LC there would be limited space for much else)
I think it was reported that the council wanted QPR as a tenant which means some council built stadium, probably with a running track, certainly adding a rent to our FFP calculations. Completely unviable to anyone with a working knowledge of how FFP works and how we need control to generate non-matchday revenues etc so obviously what the council are trying to force. Hence the council framing the long lease with QPR giving some community function as giving land away to rich owners rather than securing the future of a community asset. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 02:04 - Jul 22 with 4185 views | Hoopsie |
I really hope the owners do a “Heston” on the stadium, suddenly they bought the land some where close by to LR out of no where. I think a lot of us were taken by surprise after a decade slog with no end result on Warren Farm, then Heston happened. We own and not a lease that would be WF.
My wishful thinking. 💭 | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:25 - Jul 22 with 3944 views | BostonR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:30 - Jul 21 by QPR_Jim |
The last bit about ownership I think that's what the key issue is at the Linford Christie Stadium.
Club would want a long lease like the warren farm set up where they build the stadium for private use tailored to QPR and provide some community use (although at LC there would be limited space for much else)
I think it was reported that the council wanted QPR as a tenant which means some council built stadium, probably with a running track, certainly adding a rent to our FFP calculations. Completely unviable to anyone with a working knowledge of how FFP works and how we need control to generate non-matchday revenues etc so obviously what the council are trying to force. Hence the council framing the long lease with QPR giving some community function as giving land away to rich owners rather than securing the future of a community asset. |
Herein lies the conundrum for H&F. They do not have the capital to invest in re-building and managing a new LCS and the associated facilities. The owners do and I suspect the council do not like that position. As with most public services, councillors and their officers like to be in charge, particularly planning officers.
To speculate, I would wager that the club has produced proof of funds (confidentially) as well as top-level proposals on development, design, environmental support and local amenities. The Council have obviously not privately reacted nor consulted with interested parties hence Rubén’s frustration.
What I find hard to understand is that whole area is currently one huge development that includes HS2, new high-end residential units and now the proposed massive redevelopment of the gas works in Ladbroke Grove. The timing for a LCS is perfect.
So, in summary I would say H&F are certainly not working with the club, the club has probably slapped money on the table but I cannot work out why it has stalled. Certainly both sides have signed confidentiality agreements hence the silence.
You cannot blame Ruben if he walks away and I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s talking to Hounslow about a prospective development in that borough. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:47 - Jul 22 with 3796 views | HaslingtonR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:55 - Jul 21 by Hoopsie |
With reference to my previous post of QPR being the third club in L&F, under the H&F Local Plan planning guidelines - Appendix 3 - Open Space Hierarchy - outdoor sporting facilities :
OS40 Chelsea FC, Stamford Bridge
OS41 Fulham FC, Stevenage Road
…
…
…
OS45 Queens Park Rangers FC, Loftus Road
- end of list*
The Hurlingham Club Grounds, Parsons Green Club and Queens Club ( these occupy the triple … lines) are ranked higher in terms of importance to the council than Loftus Road
* Loftus Road is last entry in the list of Open Space Hierarchy. Interestingly, the first ranked open space is Wormwood Scrubs which is designated a Metropolitan Open Land, which is actually the site of the Linford Christie Stadium (plus open ground to the east). The whole of Wormwood Scrubs Park is also under the Old Oak & Park Royal Development Corporation Area, if I am reading the planning maps correctly.
From the council statement, “On Wormwood Scrubs, now in the Old Oak and Park Royal Development Corporation, there is also a designated local nature reserve. The NPPF (national planning policy framework) allows for communities to identify green areas of particular local significance and value for designation as Local Green Space”
Pertaining to Linford Christie, the Council will be “seeking improvements to existing open space and the facilities within them, such as Linford Christie Stadium, where appropriate and when development proposals impact upon provision”
It does not specifically states a new 30,000 stadium for LC for example but is rather open to development that abide by its general provisions to “reduce open space deficiency and will protect and enhance the quality of, and access, to existing open space”.
What does it all means? I don’t really know except that the council is not supportive of a redevelopment of LR (new 20,000+ stadium with increase heights and massing so on and so forth) as the area is proposed for residential led development with the retaining of significant open space for community use in a regeneration area (white city)
And with regards to LCS, the council is not specific about what development (athletic track, 20-30k stadium etc) but set out general provisions to guide them on merits of any development plans put forth. Being a metropolitan open land (MOL) I think the council will have final say on the suitability of the proposals?
As with Old Oak, I suppose the club expects the Council to gift the site to them (for free or a pittance?) and so in funding the stadium and surrounding works (a new athletic track?) with most of their own money thinking the club gift the council a much improved public leisure space? I am just guessing but it could be something bigger that broke down communication on both sides. |
Alphabetical order? | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:27 - Jul 22 with 3718 views | Hoopsie |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:47 - Jul 22 by HaslingtonR |
Alphabetical order? |
Good pick, you are quite right | |
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