| Should we go to war 14:48 - Dec 22 with 1319 views | Boundy |
Heavens forbid it ever came to it but we now have more civil servants than squaddies ,
"The Civil Service, cut back drastically during David Cameron’s time as prime minister, is now four times the size of the British Armed Forces for the first time. Britain has a public payroll of 543,000 full-time mandarins and 137,000 regular troops",
Vlad must be rubbing his hands in anticipation.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/soldiers-quit-in-thousands-despite-labour-
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| Should we go to war on 15:54 - Dec 22 with 824 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
If we don't go to war we will certainly end up in the same economic problems as France. |  |
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| Should we go to war on 16:11 - Dec 22 with 812 views | builthjack |
There are far too many pen pushers in this country.
Don’t start me on Government workers working from home.
Get them back in the office doing a full 40 hours. |  |
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| Should we go to war on 16:22 - Dec 22 with 797 views | union_jack |
| Should we go to war on 16:11 - Dec 22 by builthjack |
There are far too many pen pushers in this country.
Don’t start me on Government workers working from home.
Get them back in the office doing a full 40 hours. |
Well they say the pen is mightier than the sword.
Add in some steel reinforced bowler hats and Putin will run a mile. |  |
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| Should we go to war on 16:42 - Dec 22 with 777 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Should we go to war on 16:11 - Dec 22 by builthjack |
There are far too many pen pushers in this country.
Don’t start me on Government workers working from home.
Get them back in the office doing a full 40 hours. |
Working from home isn't a problem, it's the "non jobs" that are the problem.
Managers.senior staff don't get canned, they get moved sideways as the"higher ups look after each other.
There are far too many pen pushers though, The number of them where I work is crazy, we have 4 team leeaders, a supervisor a manager and a senior manager for about 40 actuall workers. We also have 2 planners and an admin/secretary. | | | |
| Should we go to war on 16:45 - Dec 22 with 771 views | onehunglow |
| Should we go to war on 16:22 - Dec 22 by union_jack |
Well they say the pen is mightier than the sword.
Add in some steel reinforced bowler hats and Putin will run a mile. |
Pens!
Yikes,most can’t use one properly .
It’s all typing now ,mun | |
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| Should we go to war on 17:57 - Dec 22 with 743 views | union_jack |
| Should we go to war on 16:45 - Dec 22 by onehunglow |
Pens!
Yikes,most can’t use one properly .
It’s all typing now ,mun |
The keyboard is mightier than the sword just doesn’t have the same ring about it😂 | |
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| Should we go to war on 18:09 - Dec 22 with 732 views | onehunglow |
| Should we go to war on 17:57 - Dec 22 by union_jack |
The keyboard is mightier than the sword just doesn’t have the same ring about it😂 |
Keyboard warrior harder than a pen pusher | |
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| Should we go to war on 18:24 - Dec 22 with 721 views | Kilkennyjack |
Even your hero Churchill was against war, so it is a very strange question to even ask …..shirley ?
The next war , if it happens, will render numbers of squaddies almost insignificant as a nuclear exchange will kill as many as you might want to put in uniform - its a zero outcome game..
The only hope we have is in a technological advantage where enemy systems can be blocked, and our drone technology can get the better of our enemies. So the logic of your arguement supports more people defending us from behind their desks than ever before.
It probably makes India and China very likely to prevail.
It will not be won by more plucky squaddies cos its not 1939 anymore, is it ? |  |
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| Should we go to war on 18:28 - Dec 22 with 718 views | builthjack |
| Should we go to war on 16:42 - Dec 22 by SullutaCreturned |
Working from home isn't a problem, it's the "non jobs" that are the problem.
Managers.senior staff don't get canned, they get moved sideways as the"higher ups look after each other.
There are far too many pen pushers though, The number of them where I work is crazy, we have 4 team leeaders, a supervisor a manager and a senior manager for about 40 actuall workers. We also have 2 planners and an admin/secretary. |
Most Govt workers that I know who are working from home now seem to manage to walk the dog, do the shopping, take a walk etc most days. In work time.
They don’t mind admitting it.
They couldn’t do that before COVID.
It’s us taxpayers who are funding it. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Should we go to war on 18:37 - Dec 22 with 707 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Should we go to war on 16:22 - Dec 22 by union_jack |
Well they say the pen is mightier than the sword.
Add in some steel reinforced bowler hats and Putin will run a mile. |
Buying and manufacturing weapons, kit, and logistical support are quite important in conflict.
As are international relations.
Do you think Putin fears our UK military ? | |
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| Should we go to war on 18:40 - Dec 22 with 704 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Should we go to war on 18:28 - Dec 22 by builthjack |
Most Govt workers that I know who are working from home now seem to manage to walk the dog, do the shopping, take a walk etc most days. In work time.
They don’t mind admitting it.
They couldn’t do that before COVID.
It’s us taxpayers who are funding it. |
When you say in work time, do you know if they are doing things during lunch break or maybe they are working flexi time?
My wife works from home, she walks the dogs during her lunch but she works on longer if she's late back. Her boss has said she's more productive at home than in the office. Though she does admit others in her office say they skive.
I think it works both ways, Admiral have a lot of people working from home and they do alright with it.
On the OP, I kinda agree with Kilky on this, if there is another proper war a lot of it will be fought by people on computers, people controlling drones/UAV's etc but as we see in Ukraine, there is still a need for boots on the ground. We'll still need infantry, pilots and sailors. The key thing will be getting that balance right and according to the military experts, right now our armed forces are too far below strength to be effective.
If it goes nuclear then nothing will matter | | | |
| Should we go to war on 19:07 - Dec 22 with 682 views | Scotia |
| Should we go to war on 18:28 - Dec 22 by builthjack |
Most Govt workers that I know who are working from home now seem to manage to walk the dog, do the shopping, take a walk etc most days. In work time.
They don’t mind admitting it.
They couldn’t do that before COVID.
It’s us taxpayers who are funding it. |
I manage people who work from home. I know exactly when they're online or not and I know exactly how productive they are.
We're busier than before COVID and no longer need an office, that saves £500k a year. | | | |
| Should we go to war on 19:09 - Dec 22 with 679 views | union_jack |
| Should we go to war on 18:28 - Dec 22 by builthjack |
Most Govt workers that I know who are working from home now seem to manage to walk the dog, do the shopping, take a walk etc most days. In work time.
They don’t mind admitting it.
They couldn’t do that before COVID.
It’s us taxpayers who are funding it. |
The last I heard from WG workers was that they can work whatever hours they like so long as they do the required amount per day. So if you want to go play squash at 4-00 in the afternoon or go for a walk (not a typo!) at noon then you can. Just work the 7:24 you’re paid to do. Most do more than the contracted hours.
The ones I worked with were some of the best and in many cases brightest individuals I know. No shirking but each had their own ways of getting the job done. They get a tough deal by the public who don’t see what goes on. Ineffectiveness of the WG is not due to staff but to government policy. | |
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| Should we go to war on 19:14 - Dec 22 with 672 views | raynor94 |
| Should we go to war on 19:07 - Dec 22 by Scotia |
I manage people who work from home. I know exactly when they're online or not and I know exactly how productive they are.
We're busier than before COVID and no longer need an office, that saves £500k a year. |
There's plenty that know how to make it look like they are working online when they aren't 😉 |  |
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| Should we go to war on 19:32 - Dec 22 with 642 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Should we go to war on 19:14 - Dec 22 by raynor94 |
There's plenty that know how to make it look like they are working online when they aren't 😉 |
How do you know then ? | |
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| Should we go to war on 19:56 - Dec 22 with 613 views | Plankton |
| Should we go to war on 19:32 - Dec 22 by Kilkennyjack |
How do you know then ? |
Why are you all vilifying workers?
Stop believing in the Musks, Zuckerbergs and Bezos of this world.
These twots would have you work for nothing in gutters if that could make a bigger pile for themselves.
Most people take pride in their jobs whether they work from home or not
You'll always have skivers, regardless. | | | |
| Should we go to war on 20:07 - Dec 22 with 592 views | builthjack |
| Should we go to war on 19:14 - Dec 22 by raynor94 |
There's plenty that know how to make it look like they are working online when they aren't 😉 |
I am told by them that they stay logged on and pop out for a while.
No wonder the country is in such a state.
I agree that lots put a proper shift in. But lots definitely don’t. | |
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| Should we go to war on 20:17 - Dec 22 with 583 views | Scotia |
| Should we go to war on 19:14 - Dec 22 by raynor94 |
There's plenty that know how to make it look like they are working online when they aren't 😉 |
I don't doubt that for a second, but if you can actually measure what they're doing there's no hiding place. | | | |
| Should we go to war on 21:16 - Dec 22 with 553 views | Boundy |
| Should we go to war on 18:24 - Dec 22 by Kilkennyjack |
Even your hero Churchill was against war, so it is a very strange question to even ask …..shirley ?
The next war , if it happens, will render numbers of squaddies almost insignificant as a nuclear exchange will kill as many as you might want to put in uniform - its a zero outcome game..
The only hope we have is in a technological advantage where enemy systems can be blocked, and our drone technology can get the better of our enemies. So the logic of your arguement supports more people defending us from behind their desks than ever before.
It probably makes India and China very likely to prevail.
It will not be won by more plucky squaddies cos its not 1939 anymore, is it ? |
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| Should we go to war on 22:04 - Dec 22 with 519 views | swan65split |
War?! itll be the dads army lot driving at the dront......younger generation have no will for it....not for long anyway. |  | | |
| Should we go to war on 22:24 - Dec 22 with 495 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
The Russians two and a half years in cannot even take the whole of the Donbas. There is a doubt that they ever will. Their army and equipment had been filleted by Ukrainian and western kit.
They badly need a n off ramp and the West must understand they are desperate to t end the war they started but could not finish. |  |
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| Should we go to war on 22:26 - Dec 22 with 491 views | union_jack |
| Should we go to war on 22:24 - Dec 22 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The Russians two and a half years in cannot even take the whole of the Donbas. There is a doubt that they ever will. Their army and equipment had been filleted by Ukrainian and western kit.
They badly need a n off ramp and the West must understand they are desperate to t end the war they started but could not finish. |
Have you not been listening to a word Contro has been saying???
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| Should we go to war on 22:41 - Dec 22 with 480 views | controversial_jack |
| Should we go to war on 22:26 - Dec 22 by union_jack |
Have you not been listening to a word Contro has been saying???
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I don't think he's been listening to anything | | | |
| Should we go to war on 00:21 - Dec 23 with 450 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Should we go to war on 21:16 - Dec 22 by Boundy |
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Good that you agree.
Peace is so much better for the young. | |
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| Should we go to war on 01:11 - Dec 23 with 439 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Should we go to war on 22:04 - Dec 22 by swan65split |
War?! itll be the dads army lot driving at the dront......younger generation have no will for it....not for long anyway. |
And their right.
Tired old rich men sending other peoples children to be slaughtered is nothing much to be proud of. | |
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