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I'll start by saying, this is not my forum usually. But the artist formally known as Twitter has become an echo chamber of monstrous proportion.
Nourry needs to be removed from his post ASAP before he can do any more damage, there is a vandalism of our club happening and it needs to stop immediately.
But how do we do it? I feel like fans and supporters groups have been weak for a long time now. There were some great folk back when we are in administration that were with QPR 1st.
I've heard rumours of some stuff happening, but it needs to be coordinated and it needs to happen ASAP.
I'd honestly be close to being done with QPR if they sack Marti who is the only bloody good thing about this club right now.
Someone needs to bring this together, protests for protests sake do not work. It needs to have purpose, be targeted and ask the right questions and have the right people involved.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 09:45 - Nov 19 with 3084 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 15:38 - Nov 17 by Mirrorball
I'm a long time lurker first time poster.
I actually think everything is pretty much going to plan. The plan is to buy players, improve them over time and sell for a profit. If we bought well-rounded and Championship-experienced players, it is unlikely that we could then sell them on for a profit.
I can well-imagine that all four of those involved with the purchases this summer were perfectly aware of the limitations of the players they bought. I saw on the West London podcast the criticism of buying Madsen as he is a good technician but doesn't tackle or get involved enough physically. If he did then we either wouldn't have got him or, certainly, wouldn't have got him for the price we paid.
So, when he was identified, I suspect there was discussion along the lines of:
"Marti, we have this player who is technically good but needs coaching on how to put himself about and tackle. Do you reckon you can make that happen?"
"Yep, sure thing but it'll take a good season or so"
"Perfect, let's get him in on a long term contract then and improve him."
I think we are part way through that journey.
In my opinion is that the plan this season was to get a load of "rough diamonds" in and make them into diamonds further down the line. The only caveat would be "but don't get relegated".
Obviously, the don't get relegated bit is looking iffy at the moment but we have a good head coach and I have faith that he will get the best out of these players. We are already seeing signs of improvement in some of the signings but the pressure now is to make those improvements sooner so that we aren't relegated.
If we survive this season and all our signings are better at the end of the season than at the start then that is progress.
Buying "Championship ready" players hasn't worked previously and just saying we want to buy players, improve them and sell them on hasn't been enough. We are on a journey now to actually try to make that happen. It won't happen soon enough to satisfy some but, in my opinion, I have faith that it will happen.
Maybe we tried to change too much too soon but I think we will view the transfer business from this summer very differently on a couple of years time.
Wow I find this truly amazing that anybody can say it's going to plan, having won only one game, playing some poor football and only getting points with backs to the wall defending.
We all know that the club needs to make money and getting prospects in, giving them experience and selling them on is exactly the model that got Brentford promoted, it's been discussed on here till the "cows come home", that market has also shrunk in the last few years and you need top quality players to be bought by a Premiership club to make decent money.
The strategy in the Summer was far too one eyed, only going for players from abroad and not looking at the UK market, we brought in 10 new players and some of them needed to have Championship experience to give us a fighting chance of avoiding relegation.
Not sure if you ever been involved in Project Management but when putting your strategy together you would assess every different factor before making your extensive plans for the next season and number one priority for the owners and the football club is don't get relegated, the transfer strategy was a massive gamble.
Getting Championship players has worked before a certain Mr Warnock did it very successfully, there's nothing wrong in getting some older heads in to work with the younger prospects until they get up to speed.
Trouble is Nourry thought exactly along the lines you have described I presume a massive coincidence, there's plenty of posts on this thread and the Marti out one by Nico and Hunter explaining why Nourry is out of his depth, if he's going to stay then he needs a Director of Football.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:47 - Nov 19 with 2827 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 09:45 - Nov 19 by Blue_Castello
Wow I find this truly amazing that anybody can say it's going to plan, having won only one game, playing some poor football and only getting points with backs to the wall defending.
We all know that the club needs to make money and getting prospects in, giving them experience and selling them on is exactly the model that got Brentford promoted, it's been discussed on here till the "cows come home", that market has also shrunk in the last few years and you need top quality players to be bought by a Premiership club to make decent money.
The strategy in the Summer was far too one eyed, only going for players from abroad and not looking at the UK market, we brought in 10 new players and some of them needed to have Championship experience to give us a fighting chance of avoiding relegation.
Not sure if you ever been involved in Project Management but when putting your strategy together you would assess every different factor before making your extensive plans for the next season and number one priority for the owners and the football club is don't get relegated, the transfer strategy was a massive gamble.
Getting Championship players has worked before a certain Mr Warnock did it very successfully, there's nothing wrong in getting some older heads in to work with the younger prospects until they get up to speed.
Trouble is Nourry thought exactly along the lines you have described I presume a massive coincidence, there's plenty of posts on this thread and the Marti out one by Nico and Hunter explaining why Nourry is out of his depth, if he's going to stay then he needs a Director of Football.
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Your last paragraph indicates you clearly think your opinion is actually fact when it’s not, it’s just your viewpoint. In reality nobody on here knows the full truth and we are all just giving our opinions. You also imply that the poster is in league with Nourry or perhaps you think they are actually Nourry? It’s a different opinion to yours, that’s all.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:49 - Nov 19 with 2808 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:47 - Nov 19 by Ned_Kennedys
Your last paragraph indicates you clearly think your opinion is actually fact when it’s not, it’s just your viewpoint. In reality nobody on here knows the full truth and we are all just giving our opinions. You also imply that the poster is in league with Nourry or perhaps you think they are actually Nourry? It’s a different opinion to yours, that’s all.
Nourys love child!
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 12:16 - Nov 19 with 2732 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 09:45 - Nov 19 by Blue_Castello
Wow I find this truly amazing that anybody can say it's going to plan, having won only one game, playing some poor football and only getting points with backs to the wall defending.
We all know that the club needs to make money and getting prospects in, giving them experience and selling them on is exactly the model that got Brentford promoted, it's been discussed on here till the "cows come home", that market has also shrunk in the last few years and you need top quality players to be bought by a Premiership club to make decent money.
The strategy in the Summer was far too one eyed, only going for players from abroad and not looking at the UK market, we brought in 10 new players and some of them needed to have Championship experience to give us a fighting chance of avoiding relegation.
Not sure if you ever been involved in Project Management but when putting your strategy together you would assess every different factor before making your extensive plans for the next season and number one priority for the owners and the football club is don't get relegated, the transfer strategy was a massive gamble.
Getting Championship players has worked before a certain Mr Warnock did it very successfully, there's nothing wrong in getting some older heads in to work with the younger prospects until they get up to speed.
Trouble is Nourry thought exactly along the lines you have described I presume a massive coincidence, there's plenty of posts on this thread and the Marti out one by Nico and Hunter explaining why Nourry is out of his depth, if he's going to stay then he needs a Director of Football.
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It's not a bad plan to be fair, that's the principles I want the club to adhere to.
Nourry has just done it badly, possibly in a tyrannical way, and by excluding fans and stakeholders from the process.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 12:22 - Nov 19 with 2705 views
Also quite contradictory as he has just done what he is accusing Blue Castello of. He doesn’t know for sure that “no one on here knows what’s going on”. Ned is just presuming his opinion is fact …when ..really …
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 12:30 - Nov 19 with 2664 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 12:22 - Nov 19 by mart_Goblin
Also quite contradictory as he has just done what he is accusing Blue Castello of. He doesn’t know for sure that “no one on here knows what’s going on”. Ned is just presuming his opinion is fact …when ..really …
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 12:42 - Nov 19 with 2611 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 19:53 - Nov 18 by davman
No he isn't, but why would he want to come back to this basket case of a club after seeing it first hand?
After 12 or so years they have been in charge, you'd hope that the board members might have actually made a few contacts in the game who they might actually be able to trust. But clearly that is not the case as, apart from chucking the money in (deep, deep thanks for that!), what have they done in the last couple of years?
Ferdinand failed in his remit, so had to go, but did they sack him? Nah, they let HIM make that decision. Similarly Hoos was a busted flush and just, well QPR'd so he had to go, but did they sack him? No, they let him "step aside".
Face it, they are NEVER at the games anymore and are not pro-active in bettering this club. A "hostile" take over from someone else with deep pockets is teh ONLY way out of this and I do not see any volunteers - you?
Sad.
He's come back as he hasn't got a sniff of another managers job in the last 2 years
I do agree with you the club is a basket case but people will always want to work here and think they can change it
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 12:22 - Nov 19 by mart_Goblin
Also quite contradictory as he has just done what he is accusing Blue Castello of. He doesn’t know for sure that “no one on here knows what’s going on”. Ned is just presuming his opinion is fact …when ..really …
Well if anyone on here DOES know what’s going on behind the scenes with the owners, Nourry, Belk, Williams, Cifuentes and their teams and can back it up with what their role in the club is or who their sources are then I’m sure we’re all ears.
Thought not.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 14:53 - Nov 19 with 2366 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 14:18 - Nov 19 by Ned_Kennedys
Well if anyone on here DOES know what’s going on behind the scenes with the owners, Nourry, Belk, Williams, Cifuentes and their teams and can back it up with what their role in the club is or who their sources are then I’m sure we’re all ears.
Thought not.
In my career I've tended to find sources don't stick around too long if you publish their name and address. It's kind of a thing.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 20:19 - Nov 19 with 1967 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 15:38 - Nov 17 by Mirrorball
I'm a long time lurker first time poster.
I actually think everything is pretty much going to plan. The plan is to buy players, improve them over time and sell for a profit. If we bought well-rounded and Championship-experienced players, it is unlikely that we could then sell them on for a profit.
I can well-imagine that all four of those involved with the purchases this summer were perfectly aware of the limitations of the players they bought. I saw on the West London podcast the criticism of buying Madsen as he is a good technician but doesn't tackle or get involved enough physically. If he did then we either wouldn't have got him or, certainly, wouldn't have got him for the price we paid.
So, when he was identified, I suspect there was discussion along the lines of:
"Marti, we have this player who is technically good but needs coaching on how to put himself about and tackle. Do you reckon you can make that happen?"
"Yep, sure thing but it'll take a good season or so"
"Perfect, let's get him in on a long term contract then and improve him."
I think we are part way through that journey.
In my opinion is that the plan this season was to get a load of "rough diamonds" in and make them into diamonds further down the line. The only caveat would be "but don't get relegated".
Obviously, the don't get relegated bit is looking iffy at the moment but we have a good head coach and I have faith that he will get the best out of these players. We are already seeing signs of improvement in some of the signings but the pressure now is to make those improvements sooner so that we aren't relegated.
If we survive this season and all our signings are better at the end of the season than at the start then that is progress.
Buying "Championship ready" players hasn't worked previously and just saying we want to buy players, improve them and sell them on hasn't been enough. We are on a journey now to actually try to make that happen. It won't happen soon enough to satisfy some but, in my opinion, I have faith that it will happen.
Maybe we tried to change too much too soon but I think we will view the transfer business from this summer very differently on a couple of years time.
It's not going to plan unless, of course, the plan was to be bottom of the league in November, 5 points adrift of safety, with one of the most incapable teams we've seen in a long time.
For me the problem is not so much trying to change too much too soon, but more about not understanding your requirements and buying the players you actually need.
It was clear at the end of last season that QPR needed a goalkeeper (to replace Begovic), a central defender (to cover for the injury-prone JCS), a right-back (so we're not reliant on Dunne playing out of position), a left-back (as Paal is in the final year of his contract and Lekerche was sent out on loan), at least 2 central midfielders who are genuine number 8s (to replace the aging, injury prone and card happy Colback), and 2 strikers (to replace the out-going Dykes and Armstrong). With Chair and Anderson already on board, what we certainly didn't need was more attacking midfielders or number 10s.
Of this brief, the recruitment team only satisfied 2 requirements in the shape of Nardi and Morrison. To recruit another DM (Varane), a RM pretending to be a RB (Santos), 3 AM/10s (Madsen, Dembele, and Saito), and 1 forward who doesn't suit the system (Celar) was negligent to say the least. To compound matters, the vast majority of these players had no experience of English football prior to joining.
Irrespective of Marti's abilities, no coach can deliver consistent results with such an imbalanced, inexperienced squad. Indeed, recruitment was so bad that we now find ourselves in a position where we're counting on core players like JCS, Colback and Frey to return asap, hit the ground running, and stay fit and suspension free. Come January, we'll no doubt look to the owners to dip into their pockets again to enable the same recruitment team who failed miserably in the summer to identify and recruit able reinforcements.
That doesn't sound like it's going to plan to me.
P.S. Regarding your imaginary discussion, you can't teach someone who shies away from the physical side of the game, how to tackle. Hence, we have midfielders like Madsen who go through 90+ minutes without completing a single one.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 08:32 - Nov 20 with 1637 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 20:19 - Nov 19 by Benny_the_Ball
It's not going to plan unless, of course, the plan was to be bottom of the league in November, 5 points adrift of safety, with one of the most incapable teams we've seen in a long time.
For me the problem is not so much trying to change too much too soon, but more about not understanding your requirements and buying the players you actually need.
It was clear at the end of last season that QPR needed a goalkeeper (to replace Begovic), a central defender (to cover for the injury-prone JCS), a right-back (so we're not reliant on Dunne playing out of position), a left-back (as Paal is in the final year of his contract and Lekerche was sent out on loan), at least 2 central midfielders who are genuine number 8s (to replace the aging, injury prone and card happy Colback), and 2 strikers (to replace the out-going Dykes and Armstrong). With Chair and Anderson already on board, what we certainly didn't need was more attacking midfielders or number 10s.
Of this brief, the recruitment team only satisfied 2 requirements in the shape of Nardi and Morrison. To recruit another DM (Varane), a RM pretending to be a RB (Santos), 3 AM/10s (Madsen, Dembele, and Saito), and 1 forward who doesn't suit the system (Celar) was negligent to say the least. To compound matters, the vast majority of these players had no experience of English football prior to joining.
Irrespective of Marti's abilities, no coach can deliver consistent results with such an imbalanced, inexperienced squad. Indeed, recruitment was so bad that we now find ourselves in a position where we're counting on core players like JCS, Colback and Frey to return asap, hit the ground running, and stay fit and suspension free. Come January, we'll no doubt look to the owners to dip into their pockets again to enable the same recruitment team who failed miserably in the summer to identify and recruit able reinforcements.
That doesn't sound like it's going to plan to me.
P.S. Regarding your imaginary discussion, you can't teach someone who shies away from the physical side of the game, how to tackle. Hence, we have midfielders like Madsen who go through 90+ minutes without completing a single one.
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:47 - Nov 19 by Ned_Kennedys
Your last paragraph indicates you clearly think your opinion is actually fact when it’s not, it’s just your viewpoint. In reality nobody on here knows the full truth and we are all just giving our opinions. You also imply that the poster is in league with Nourry or perhaps you think they are actually Nourry? It’s a different opinion to yours, that’s all.
Interesting you are correct I shouldn't have said Nourry thought that's my fault, as you rightly say this Forum is all about opinions and the good thing is they are very diverse.
That said the person who has to take responsibility for the Summers transfer strategy surely has to be the CEO, now it might have been the Director of Football but we have scrapped that role and given it to the inexperienced CEO. None of us know what sort of process took place with regard to the actual transfers, we all hope there was some collaboration with the Manager but it definitely looks hugely analytical driven, do we think any scouting of the players took place.
The ban on giving Clive any interviews is very telling, just one interview with the Manager would clear up a lot of the Unknowns, how can anybody say it's all going to plan, relegation looks highly likely and that will also impact any transfer fees we may possibly get, priority number 1 was to build a plan that kept the club in the division whilst developing new players.....
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 12:58 - Nov 20 with 1288 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 15:38 - Nov 17 by Mirrorball
I'm a long time lurker first time poster.
I actually think everything is pretty much going to plan. The plan is to buy players, improve them over time and sell for a profit. If we bought well-rounded and Championship-experienced players, it is unlikely that we could then sell them on for a profit.
I can well-imagine that all four of those involved with the purchases this summer were perfectly aware of the limitations of the players they bought. I saw on the West London podcast the criticism of buying Madsen as he is a good technician but doesn't tackle or get involved enough physically. If he did then we either wouldn't have got him or, certainly, wouldn't have got him for the price we paid.
So, when he was identified, I suspect there was discussion along the lines of:
"Marti, we have this player who is technically good but needs coaching on how to put himself about and tackle. Do you reckon you can make that happen?"
"Yep, sure thing but it'll take a good season or so"
"Perfect, let's get him in on a long term contract then and improve him."
I think we are part way through that journey.
In my opinion is that the plan this season was to get a load of "rough diamonds" in and make them into diamonds further down the line. The only caveat would be "but don't get relegated".
Obviously, the don't get relegated bit is looking iffy at the moment but we have a good head coach and I have faith that he will get the best out of these players. We are already seeing signs of improvement in some of the signings but the pressure now is to make those improvements sooner so that we aren't relegated.
If we survive this season and all our signings are better at the end of the season than at the start then that is progress.
Buying "Championship ready" players hasn't worked previously and just saying we want to buy players, improve them and sell them on hasn't been enough. We are on a journey now to actually try to make that happen. It won't happen soon enough to satisfy some but, in my opinion, I have faith that it will happen.
Maybe we tried to change too much too soon but I think we will view the transfer business from this summer very differently on a couple of years time.
Great to see a new poster to the site Mirrorball. Hope you continue to post despite occasional flights of fancy from a few of us on occasions and the occasional difference of opinion. We all want the same results ultimately.
Regards to the thread itself, i personally very much doubt that the plan had factored in that we would be bottom and adrift at this stage of the season.
Even if players improve a bit by the end of the season, currently there is a very high chance that we could be operating in league one, so the few peanuts in terms of profits we could get on certain players would be wiped out and some by operating at a lower level.
If this is the plan going well, as stated, by yourself, crikey what could be the scenario if we are not achieving the plans objectives !!
But we are ALL QPR..
Perhaps divine intervention and prayers at dawn required to sort things out this particular season !!!
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:47 - Nov 19 by Ned_Kennedys
Your last paragraph indicates you clearly think your opinion is actually fact when it’s not, it’s just your viewpoint. In reality nobody on here knows the full truth and we are all just giving our opinions. You also imply that the poster is in league with Nourry or perhaps you think they are actually Nourry? It’s a different opinion to yours, that’s all.
There are people who know plenty. Revealing it all on a message board is not wise, it puts the poster in a predicament potentially, it might piss off the person who told you and could actually make things worse.
People don't do it to posture, people are genuinely worried about the direction the club is heading, there's enough information on a couple of threads on here that should give you enough to think about.
My advice would be to listen to those who have provided the information and pointed everyone in the right direction on his thread and the Marti out thread. Then, it's up to you and everyone else to decide where they stand.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:05 - Nov 21 with 739 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:02 - Nov 21 by Markofthegrove
There are people who know plenty. Revealing it all on a message board is not wise, it puts the poster in a predicament potentially, it might piss off the person who told you and could actually make things worse.
People don't do it to posture, people are genuinely worried about the direction the club is heading, there's enough information on a couple of threads on here that should give you enough to think about.
My advice would be to listen to those who have provided the information and pointed everyone in the right direction on his thread and the Marti out thread. Then, it's up to you and everyone else to decide where they stand.
I hate posts like this.
Sorry Mark, it comes across as patronising and condescending.
Nearly all on here are not ITK and even if they were, unfortunately myself personally it says something that some get a sense of superiority from so called being ITK.
I would say everyone on here posts their own not ITK opinions and that's fine. Its a debating platform for real fans and that's what I personally enjoy about this site.
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