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The end of football? 07:19 - Oct 13 with 3693 viewsdmm

Apocalypse now: City wrangle shows the wealthiest owners could kill football https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/oct/12/manchester-city-legal-wrangle-p

I like Jonathan Wilson's work a lot and this is a great example of it. Yes, he might be overstating his case a little, but it is to make a very insightful point.

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The end of football? on 07:55 - Oct 13 with 3587 viewsPlanetHonneywood

Skim read. With that in mind: Is he really saying anything that hasn't already been ventilated on here and elsewhere for years; with your mates down the pub; and generally, with anyone you meet of a certain age who ever went to football in the 70s or earlier?

Football is too much money to ever die. How we will consume our support in the future is unlikely to be through physical attendance, but through various digital media and that's got plenty of miles and dollars to go yet.

Fact is, however, and given the sentiment often expressed here, you can count many of us out of this 'Hunger Games' formatting if/which football seems intent on pursuing.

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The end of football? on 08:14 - Oct 13 with 3545 viewslassel

I mean the whole context of his article is at best naive if not outright lies.

City didn’t sue the PL because they ‘didnt like the rules the clubs voted for’, City sued the league alleging the rules were illegal. And they were right.

It’s a pretty sad state of affairs when journalists are coming up with bllocks like this article to make City the bad guys for flagging that the PL are breaking the law…
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The end of football? on 08:33 - Oct 13 with 3491 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Read it earlier and still have the same feeling:

For such an International, knowledgable and egalitarian journalist this is a very Anglo-centric article. While FIFA and UEFA have massive issues, is German football in the same existentialist danger as English football? Is South American football? Is Irish football?

The article really only deals with English football and there are huge concerns there, of course, and - as Honney points out - we've all chatted about them for decades now. But just as it survived the implosion of Italian football, World football might survive any fall in the popularity of English football. Might even be better for it.

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The end of football? on 08:57 - Oct 13 with 3413 viewsdmm

You make some good points fellas but...

Yes, the main issues Wilson raises have been discussed in the past but I don't think we've had a legal battle like the one between Manchester City and the PL before. The battle is far from over and potentially has ramifications that could extend far and wide.
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The end of football? on 11:25 - Oct 13 with 3121 viewsstevec

Is there any chance our owners could ask ManCity’s legal experts if their deliberations expose an opportunity for us to get our £42 million back?

If you don’t ask..
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The end of football? on 11:41 - Oct 13 with 3095 viewsstarbringer

Football ending? Nah, not buying it. The money side’s a mess, sure, but the game itself isn’t going anywhere.

Game over? Never in the mushroom kingdom.

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The end of football? on 14:12 - Oct 13 with 2830 viewslassel

The end of football? on 08:57 - Oct 13 by dmm

You make some good points fellas but...

Yes, the main issues Wilson raises have been discussed in the past but I don't think we've had a legal battle like the one between Manchester City and the PL before. The battle is far from over and potentially has ramifications that could extend far and wide.


I mean if City had been demanding an end to all financial regulations you would have a point, but they weren’t because they don’t want a free for all and a never ending fight vs Saudi Arabia.

Their claim here was actually pretty limited - they didn’t want Arsenal to be allowed to have endless free money from Kroenke when they and other clubs go to banks and pay interest for loans, and they didn’t want rules they felt were illegal to be upheld.

Whilst it might have been a bit much when City said there was a cartel running the PL and they were outside of it, ultimately an independent tribunal has agreed with them that the rules were unfair and ultimately illegal. It’s not a great look for the PL..
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The end of football? on 14:25 - Oct 13 with 2801 viewsLblock

Proper football ended a good few years back

The FA Cup and the rules

Used to be that the same set of rules applied in ever competition whether you were playing amateur Sunday League or on the not so hallowed turf of Wembley
Rules were simple and clear

Then we started dicking about with offside, VAR applies in some grounds but not others in the same competition at the same stage, sub benches longer than the starting line up etc
The only “modern day” rule change I’ve felt that worked is the change in the back pass and keeper picking up.

In terms of the so called top teams and their gravy train….. forget it; it’s gone

Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal

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The end of football? on 14:30 - Oct 13 with 2792 viewsDannyPaddox

dmm - LFW's answer to Francis Fukuyama 😁
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The end of football? on 14:36 - Oct 13 with 2784 viewsBoston

At the end of the day... we'll still finish sixteenth in the second tier.

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The end of football? on 18:32 - Oct 13 with 2543 viewsjoe90

The end of football? on 14:30 - Oct 13 by DannyPaddox

dmm - LFW's answer to Francis Fukuyama 😁


‘This is the end point of the Premier Leagues ideological evolution and the universalization of UEFA as the final form of football governance’

Fukuyam was asked for a quote at half time during Chelsea vs Gent in the UEFA Conference League.
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The end of football? on 19:03 - Oct 13 with 2458 viewsDannyPaddox

The end of football? on 18:32 - Oct 13 by joe90

‘This is the end point of the Premier Leagues ideological evolution and the universalization of UEFA as the final form of football governance’

Fukuyam was asked for a quote at half time during Chelsea vs Gent in the UEFA Conference League.


It's the end of the Premier League as we know it
And I feel fine
, crooned Francis.
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The end of football? on 18:11 - Oct 14 with 1995 viewsdmm

Legal complaint filed against Fifa's 'abuse of dominance': https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c981203e61qo

And here's the latest development. I'm really not all that fixated on this stuff but it does feel there are gears churning that will bring significant changes to the game.
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The end of football? on 23:46 - Oct 14 with 1800 viewsnumptydumpty

I think the retirement age average of players has definitely reduced

Possibly because of too many games per season

Also more and more players best years are in their early twenties and also the extreme amounts of money players even at Championship level receive mean the money motivations for some are much reduced post thirty years of age and many enjoy consuming the so called fruits of their labour.

I am sure mid week attendances this season will be dramatically lower due to most games being broadcast or starting at ridiculous times.

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The end of football? on 09:03 - Oct 15 with 1666 viewsTheChef

Yeah I mean football will never end - it just changes (arguably for the worse).


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The end of football? on 22:02 - Oct 15 with 1311 viewsShev

Very through provoking. A couple of thoughts:

1. Football will never lose significant popularity as a sport (unlike the referenced cricket and chariot racing in the article) because it is the perfect "poor man's sport" which can be played everywhere from a golf green pitch at Wembley to the favellas with a ball of rags. It is played the world over by every class of people, and that becomes self-perpetuating popularity. Unless another, better poor man's sport is conceived, it is never going to shift from the #1 sport. However much the NFL want to grow, for instance, no-one in Angola, Brazil or Bangladesh is going to be spending thousands of dollars on equipment.

2. That being said, top level football feels like it is at an absolute breaking point, between eye-watering losses, eye watering ticket prices, the open and covert pushes towards a Euro Super League, civil war in the PL, devalued cups with loss of romance, and overworked players, among other issues. Football on a commercial level has lost much of it's joy for fans who remember a better era.
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The end of football? on 22:43 - Oct 15 with 1229 viewswombat

The end of football? on 22:02 - Oct 15 by Shev

Very through provoking. A couple of thoughts:

1. Football will never lose significant popularity as a sport (unlike the referenced cricket and chariot racing in the article) because it is the perfect "poor man's sport" which can be played everywhere from a golf green pitch at Wembley to the favellas with a ball of rags. It is played the world over by every class of people, and that becomes self-perpetuating popularity. Unless another, better poor man's sport is conceived, it is never going to shift from the #1 sport. However much the NFL want to grow, for instance, no-one in Angola, Brazil or Bangladesh is going to be spending thousands of dollars on equipment.

2. That being said, top level football feels like it is at an absolute breaking point, between eye-watering losses, eye watering ticket prices, the open and covert pushes towards a Euro Super League, civil war in the PL, devalued cups with loss of romance, and overworked players, among other issues. Football on a commercial level has lost much of it's joy for fans who remember a better era.


First thing to happen will be at least one game per season being played in the states prob more

Next banning of away fans more revenue for club ,ess police stewards etc , if we want to watch the game watch it ion sky

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The end of football? on 14:32 - Oct 16 with 974 viewsTheChef

The end of football? on 22:02 - Oct 15 by Shev

Very through provoking. A couple of thoughts:

1. Football will never lose significant popularity as a sport (unlike the referenced cricket and chariot racing in the article) because it is the perfect "poor man's sport" which can be played everywhere from a golf green pitch at Wembley to the favellas with a ball of rags. It is played the world over by every class of people, and that becomes self-perpetuating popularity. Unless another, better poor man's sport is conceived, it is never going to shift from the #1 sport. However much the NFL want to grow, for instance, no-one in Angola, Brazil or Bangladesh is going to be spending thousands of dollars on equipment.

2. That being said, top level football feels like it is at an absolute breaking point, between eye-watering losses, eye watering ticket prices, the open and covert pushes towards a Euro Super League, civil war in the PL, devalued cups with loss of romance, and overworked players, among other issues. Football on a commercial level has lost much of it's joy for fans who remember a better era.


Re point 1 arguably football is the easiest sport to pick up and play - you just need a ball (and probably some jumpers for goalposts). That's it.

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