| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 07:06 - Jan 28 with 1673 views | PunteR |
| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 19:14 - Jan 27 by essextaxiboy |
I think thats the point , if you havnt had experience of gambling addiction (I havnt) then its not easy to understand the havoc and misery caused .
I think there is a case for banning marketing and targeting fans with betting offers and suchlike . If that makes the deal unworkable for the companies then they can bow out .
I really cant see that a shirt front , a sleeve or an LED board will encourage an addict to fall off the wagon though. |
Of course it encourages them. It's the power of suggestion. It's why companies spend billions in advertising. |  |
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| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 09:11 - Jan 28 with 1627 views | QPR_Jim |
A friend of mine is a gambling addict, luckily he had a supportive wife and a well paid job to help him cover his debts (around £20k). But he's still relapsed into betting again after all that and he's always of the opinion that he's only a bet or two away from all his troubles going away. It's hard to understand as he's an otherwise intelligent and logical person and he obviously knows how much it's cost him over the years, yet still.
Personally I don't think the amount of advertising in football helps. It sends a message that it's normal and it's not a problem. For many it's not, but for those that are addicted, it can ruin their lives. It's exactly the same as alcohol and smoking and they have all been banned.
As I've said before, sponsorship isn't the biggest revenue stream for the club, or even the second. While gambling companies may pay more, they're not the only option. If we've taken 2 consecutive non gambling shirt sponsors it proves that there are other options and that the money lost can't be that great (otherwise LH wouldn't do it). I think banning them from being on the shirts and the TV ads on live football would be a good start and we can see what impact that has. Which in my opinion would be little impact on clubs but a massive impact for those with a gambling addiction. |  | | |
| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 15:06 - Jan 28 with 1542 views | Boston |
| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 18:03 - Jan 26 by charmr |
Merson said the betting companies indulged him because he wasn’t very good at gambling.
Professional gambler on the price of football was saying how difficult it was for him to make a bet due to the gambling companies blocking his every move.
My Dad had a few race horses and believe me it’s all rigged and the bookies are running the show. |
While there has and always will be some degree of crookery in the racing world, saying it's all rigged is a bit strong! Speaking as the son of a jockey, and son in law of a bookie, I'd say most in the business are pretty straight. [Post edited 28 Jan 2023 15:06]
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| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 16:00 - Jan 28 with 1515 views | charmr |
Fair enough Boston. I get it.
Horses pulling up, entering races to get the odds down and looking to get weight reductions. Group races always some shennagigans going on, apart from the royal horses.
His horse won a major group race 12/1 came back to the stable next morning to find the horse standing on 3 legs. Someone didn’t like an outsider winning. Never ran again. Broke my Dad as that horse had so much potential and was good enough to run in Group 1 races.
William Hills name came up a lot. You tell me piggot,edderry,Carson etc we’re legit.
Won a few races and extremely proud of leading a winner in a few times. Not bad for a man who grew up in the George Bernard Shaw estate in Stonebridge park. Hence being a Ranger like his Dad. | | | |
| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 17:24 - Jan 28 with 1475 views | Boston |
| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 16:00 - Jan 28 by charmr |
Fair enough Boston. I get it.
Horses pulling up, entering races to get the odds down and looking to get weight reductions. Group races always some shennagigans going on, apart from the royal horses.
His horse won a major group race 12/1 came back to the stable next morning to find the horse standing on 3 legs. Someone didn’t like an outsider winning. Never ran again. Broke my Dad as that horse had so much potential and was good enough to run in Group 1 races.
William Hills name came up a lot. You tell me piggot,edderry,Carson etc we’re legit.
Won a few races and extremely proud of leading a winner in a few times. Not bad for a man who grew up in the George Bernard Shaw estate in Stonebridge park. Hence being a Ranger like his Dad. |
I'm sorry to read of your fathers experience, but at least he didn't wake up with a horses head beside him. | |
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| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 16:20 - Jan 29 with 1413 views | PinnerPaul |
| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 18:13 - Jan 27 by dmm |
Well there are many national and global businesses to choose are there not? A few recent examples would be Chevrolet sponsoring ManU, American Express sponsoring Brighton and AIA sponsoring the Spuds, and there are plenty more.
As pointed out above, QPR's current and previous sponsors are not betting companies. |
Why do you think the vast majorirty of horseracing is sponsored by betting companies as indeed is ITV's coverage?
For years non betting sponsors have been pulling out of racing, betting companies do the same and the sport ends, as it it will if affordability checks are enforced as they are being done already by some betting companies despite the minister in charge saying this
"It is not for the Gambling Commission or this government to tell people how much they are allowed to bet" | | | |
| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 16:25 - Jan 29 with 1411 views | PinnerPaul |
| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 18:22 - Jan 27 by PunteR |
Nannying is the wrong word
I get your point but really just because it's legal doesn't make it right for society either. That's the hypocrisy I think you're alluding too.
It's about managing the vices so people can do these things in an environment that's "relatively" safe. It's a similar argument for legalising drugs.
Let's say cannabis is legalised, would you be comfortable with it being advertised to use via football?
What about other drugs like MDMA?
Gambling addiction is up there with drug addiction. [Post edited 27 Jan 2023 18:25]
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Well its not and neither are even close to the hospital admissions figures for alcohol above.
Just looked up hospital drug admissions and its about 28,000 for 2019/20 according to nhs website.
That's about 10% of alcohol related admissions and a thousand times more than gambling related ones. | | | |
| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 16:28 - Jan 29 with 1399 views | PinnerPaul |
| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 19:06 - Jan 27 by terryb |
I'm afraid not Paul.
All of us are aware of the dangers of drinking & smoking, but a lot of people don't appear to be aware of how many lives are ruined from gambling. UK hospital admissions are not the most likely place for those affected as it is the mind rather than the body that suffers.
During my time I have participated in all three actions & if I was to relive my life, I would do exactly the same. That doesn't mean that I would support any of them being allowed to advertise & be sponsors!
You are certainly correct Paul that the government relies on the duty, plus VAT, receives from alcohol. The same applies to tobacco sales ( which I would sugest, but don't know, raised higher amounts historically).
On a personal level, I detest all of the advertising/ promotions of betting companies. If only because they seem to appear non stop! |
Fair points, as usual, Terry.
No problem with reasonable debate - and you know what, you get that 95% of the time on here!  | | | |
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| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 16:30 - Jan 29 with 1398 views | PinnerPaul |
| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 15:06 - Jan 28 by Boston |
While there has and always will be some degree of crookery in the racing world, saying it's all rigged is a bit strong! Speaking as the son of a jockey, and son in law of a bookie, I'd say most in the business are pretty straight. [Post edited 28 Jan 2023 15:06]
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Indeed. Its in everyone's interests, including the bookmakers, for that to be so. | | | |
| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 13:47 - Oct 27 with 898 views | Mwinobog |
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| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 14:10 - Oct 27 with 833 views | Match82 |
| Ex-Rs David Wheeler on gambling in football on 09:33 - Jan 27 by stevec |
Playing to the gallery. The guy is certainly switched on.
You mention the accessibility of other forms of advertising. Maybe at Premier League level, but if you suggested this to Lee Hoos or any other EFL club you might find that is not quite the case.
If advertising was so ‘accessible’ as you suggest, why do we operate as the norm a £1.8 million loss every month?
I get the argument for a betting ban, I just wish the same people, just for once, could come up with a failsafe and innovative way to replace the financial shortfall the club will inevitably have, it never happens. So tell me, what’s your solution or don’t you have one? |
Its a tricky subject, the one thing id add on your last point Steve is that the situation isn't "solved" now. As you say we and many others have a shortfall of our own making. Getting a great sponsorship contract instead of a good one makes the problem a little smaller but sponsorship isn't the main source of income for most clubs and it doesn't solve it.
The problem is "solved" by addressing the underlying causes of overspending in the first place which very few clubs have shown any inclination to do. |  | | |
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