| Good Luck UK 12:13 - Dec 12 with 65887 views | PlanetHonneywood |
For the Eze, not the Pugh!
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| Good Luck UK on 13:29 - Dec 18 with 1581 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Good Luck UK on 12:28 - Dec 18 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Thornberry has put herself up for the leader  and Starmer looks like he will.
Dead parrots. |
Thornberry would be a great choice for them. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 13:33 - Dec 18 with 1564 views | R_from_afar |
| Good Luck UK on 12:59 - Dec 18 by BostonR |
And so it begins.
Matt Hancock now rolling back on the pledge to support more new nurses with their training. Buckle up for a wild ride in 2020. |
The staffing crisis in healthcare is terrifying. Governments of whatever persuasion need to be very careful when handling immigration issues because if the UK only allows highly paid, highly skilled workers in, we will all suffer. The NHS has 100k unfilled vacancies right now. |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Good Luck UK on 13:38 - Dec 18 with 1550 views | Russian__Bot |
| Good Luck UK on 11:57 - Dec 18 by BostonR |
Indeed.
What price that Boris looks for a softer Brexit landing? He can ditch the lunatics in the ERG and still get a majority for his deal. Staying closer to the EU will allow him some financial relief say over a 4yr period (getting Brexit done, albeit slowly) and focusing any borrowing on improving the Northern powerhouse.
It's a gamble, but I sense that maybe the direction of travel. |
I believe you are in for a big disappointment if you think that... more wishful thinking
I look forward to watching the EU federalists coming to many slow realisations- like firstly, that we won't put up a border in Ireland and neither will Ireland.
No Irish leader would allow a hard border. So political and business sense will prevail (or they can kick Ireland out of the EU and crash their own currency 🤣) but no border will exist
The second main realisation is that the essence of Brexit was 'taking back control'. So they can't dictate to us what we do with our laws and regs. Yes we will sell into their market on the terms compliant with their regs (same as we do the world over). But we will do as we please in our own market and with any other markets we trade with (and before the woke brigade cry about workers protections - if he does do that- you'll have an election within 5 years to sort it- something you couldn't do if the AFD and NF move from 2nd to 1st in Germany and France)
And the realisation of big business already that we aren't shifting - they will not want to lose the trade surplus and money will talk and we will get a deal that works
Still waiting to see Paris and Frankfurt become the new global finance hubs like we were assured would happen if Brexit happened (they better get moving quickly over the next year 🤣) |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 13:40 - Dec 18 with 1540 views | Harbour |
| Good Luck UK on 12:00 - Dec 18 by DannytheR |
Never mind the heartlands, everyone outside London has a surprise in store about Johnsonomics.
By the time he left office as mayor, he'd spent the best part of a billion of Londoners money on the garden bridge, the estuary airport, the cable cars, the sauna-like Routemasters, West Ham's stadium, and so on. And then he fkd off back to Parliament.
There we go. Now everyone else can join us elitists in coughing up for the bloke who never gets his round in. |
+1 totally agree as a Major BJ was a disaster wasting millions on vanity projects that delivered nothing. Cannot see him being any different as PM he is clueless. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 13:45 - Dec 18 with 1521 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Good Luck UK on 13:29 - Dec 18 by Ned_Kennedys |
Thornberry would be a great choice for them. |
Apparently Labour membership went up 24K last week, don't know if that was before the election, I guess so.
I think it will be RLB, who I also dislike.
A couple of years down the line if things go tits up I can see a lot of strikes and Labour need to be ready, but I just can't see it if RLB gets it. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 13:47]
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| Good Luck UK on 13:47 - Dec 18 with 1516 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Good Luck UK on 13:40 - Dec 18 by Harbour |
+1 totally agree as a Major BJ was a disaster wasting millions on vanity projects that delivered nothing. Cannot see him being any different as PM he is clueless. |
Well if you are so 100% certain it will be a total disaster under Johnson then you can follow the democratic process in 2024 and vote him out. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 14:03 - Dec 18 with 1475 views | Toast_R |
| Good Luck UK on 12:00 - Dec 18 by DannytheR |
Never mind the heartlands, everyone outside London has a surprise in store about Johnsonomics.
By the time he left office as mayor, he'd spent the best part of a billion of Londoners money on the garden bridge, the estuary airport, the cable cars, the sauna-like Routemasters, West Ham's stadium, and so on. And then he fkd off back to Parliament.
There we go. Now everyone else can join us elitists in coughing up for the bloke who never gets his round in. |
Ah but then we all contributed a supplement towards the great Olympics project so it's not as though money was spent on that instead of other stuff. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 14:04]
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| Good Luck UK on 14:08 - Dec 18 with 1460 views | DannytheR |
| Good Luck UK on 13:29 - Dec 18 by Ned_Kennedys |
Thornberry would be a great choice for them. |
It's funny, I remember straight after the play off final in 2003 - square it Tommy etc - me and most of the people I was with just quickly made our excuses and piled out of the Millennium Stadium, wanting to back to the station asap because we just wanted to get out of there and on a train home. Not much more to be said, right?
What always stays with me is by the time we got there, there was a big bunch of Cardiff (in colours, replica shirts etc) lined up at the station giving it large and, in one charming case, spitting at us (we had kids with us too.)
I remember thinking at the time it was a bit weird really, that *even then* in their moment of absolute triumph, rather than celebrating properly, they only seemed able to get their jollies obsessing over the other side.
Anyway, I don't know why that came to mind. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 14:10]
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| Good Luck UK on 14:13 - Dec 18 with 1439 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Good Luck UK on 12:00 - Dec 18 by DannytheR |
Never mind the heartlands, everyone outside London has a surprise in store about Johnsonomics.
By the time he left office as mayor, he'd spent the best part of a billion of Londoners money on the garden bridge, the estuary airport, the cable cars, the sauna-like Routemasters, West Ham's stadium, and so on. And then he fkd off back to Parliament.
There we go. Now everyone else can join us elitists in coughing up for the bloke who never gets his round in. |
Even London Labour got sick of that great friend of JC Ken Livingstone. | |
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| Good Luck UK on 14:16 - Dec 18 with 2414 views | DannytheR |
| Good Luck UK on 14:13 - Dec 18 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Even London Labour got sick of that great friend of JC Ken Livingstone. |
Wouldn't argue. I know people in London who would have never voted Tory normally who voted for Johnson as Mayor.
They didn't vote for him again last week. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 14:23]
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| Good Luck UK on 14:18 - Dec 18 with 2396 views | CamberleyR |
| Good Luck UK on 13:47 - Dec 18 by Ned_Kennedys |
Well if you are so 100% certain it will be a total disaster under Johnson then you can follow the democratic process in 2024 and vote him out. |
You mean like the democratic process used by the voters of Richmond Park to vote out Zac Goldsmith, only for this to be potentially made a complete mockery of by Johnson planning to award his mate a peerage so he can remain in the cabinet? [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 14:20]
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| Good Luck UK on 14:25 - Dec 18 with 2366 views | francisbowles |
| Good Luck UK on 14:18 - Dec 18 by CamberleyR |
You mean like the democratic process used by the voters of Richmond Park to vote out Zac Goldsmith, only for this to be potentially made a complete mockery of by Johnson planning to award his mate a peerage so he can remain in the cabinet? [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 14:20]
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Yes Camberley but they voted him out as their local MP, which obviously still stands. Johnson may want him as part of his team to run the country which is a different matter and not something that hasn't been done before. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 14:26 - Dec 18 with 2361 views | QPR_Jim |
This argument has gone full circle now surely. Conservatives said we needed to drop corporation tax, has no effect so now they're proposing to put it back to where it was. So we can draw the conclusion that if you put it up a little bit it's also unlikely to have any effect. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 14:37 - Dec 18 with 2336 views | CamberleyR |
| Good Luck UK on 14:25 - Dec 18 by francisbowles |
Yes Camberley but they voted him out as their local MP, which obviously still stands. Johnson may want him as part of his team to run the country which is a different matter and not something that hasn't been done before. |
Hasn't been done for a long number of years but you're missing the point. He is still seemingly being rewarded for being rejected by the electorate (twice in three years in RP plus the London Mayoral election).
Cabinet members IMO should not sit in the unelected House of Lords as they can not be put under the same scrutiny as MPs for decisions they make. The HoL should not be used as some absurd insurance policy for MPs booted out by their constituents. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 23:06]
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| Good Luck UK on 14:39 - Dec 18 with 2334 views | BostonR |
| Good Luck UK on 13:38 - Dec 18 by Russian__Bot |
I believe you are in for a big disappointment if you think that... more wishful thinking
I look forward to watching the EU federalists coming to many slow realisations- like firstly, that we won't put up a border in Ireland and neither will Ireland.
No Irish leader would allow a hard border. So political and business sense will prevail (or they can kick Ireland out of the EU and crash their own currency 🤣) but no border will exist
The second main realisation is that the essence of Brexit was 'taking back control'. So they can't dictate to us what we do with our laws and regs. Yes we will sell into their market on the terms compliant with their regs (same as we do the world over). But we will do as we please in our own market and with any other markets we trade with (and before the woke brigade cry about workers protections - if he does do that- you'll have an election within 5 years to sort it- something you couldn't do if the AFD and NF move from 2nd to 1st in Germany and France)
And the realisation of big business already that we aren't shifting - they will not want to lose the trade surplus and money will talk and we will get a deal that works
Still waiting to see Paris and Frankfurt become the new global finance hubs like we were assured would happen if Brexit happened (they better get moving quickly over the next year 🤣) |
Just a quick correction - I am not thinking that this is the approach. I am merely offering up a possible and in my view plausible course of direction.
After 3 yrs of wrangling it has now come down to two choices for the Tories:
1. Get Brexit done in the next 3-4 yrs - this will cost billions;
2. Reward the Labour heartlands for their support - this will cost billions.
You cannot have both, without borrowing eye-watering amounts of money, which would ultimately crash our economy.
For me, it is a simple litmus test for those new Tory voters - will their high streets look any different, will jobs be created and will the NHS be operational in 2024?
What price for a "priority queue" in A&E (£50 fee) in the UK by 2024? |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 14:51 - Dec 18 with 2288 views | francisbowles |
| Good Luck UK on 14:37 - Dec 18 by CamberleyR |
Hasn't been done for a long number of years but you're missing the point. He is still seemingly being rewarded for being rejected by the electorate (twice in three years in RP plus the London Mayoral election).
Cabinet members IMO should not sit in the unelected House of Lords as they can not be put under the same scrutiny as MPs for decisions they make. The HoL should not be used as some absurd insurance policy for MPs booted out by their constituents. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 23:06]
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Fair point and the House of Lords needs reforming at the least. However, might as well use what ever advantage you think you can gain within the current rules, in order to take on the task ahead.
Richmond is a pretty marginal constituency and as you mention he has been elected there previously, however, I wouldn't suggest it is representative of the country. Wealthy Richmond votes for what wealthy Richmond wants e.g. they are against the third runway, probably not for particularly green issues but because they are on the flightpath and don't like the noise that provides. They did in all probability choose to live there in the first place. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 15:01 - Dec 18 with 2260 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Good Luck UK on 14:08 - Dec 18 by DannytheR |
It's funny, I remember straight after the play off final in 2003 - square it Tommy etc - me and most of the people I was with just quickly made our excuses and piled out of the Millennium Stadium, wanting to back to the station asap because we just wanted to get out of there and on a train home. Not much more to be said, right?
What always stays with me is by the time we got there, there was a big bunch of Cardiff (in colours, replica shirts etc) lined up at the station giving it large and, in one charming case, spitting at us (we had kids with us too.)
I remember thinking at the time it was a bit weird really, that *even then* in their moment of absolute triumph, rather than celebrating properly, they only seemed able to get their jollies obsessing over the other side.
Anyway, I don't know why that came to mind. [Post edited 18 Dec 2019 14:10]
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Yeah I was there at the game. Although I was disappointed with the result I didn't spend the next few months bleating on about how unfair the result was and how the winners were terrible and didn't deserve it. Instead I knew that the way the system worked meant we had a chance to achieve our goal at a future date. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 15:09 - Dec 18 with 2238 views | colinallcars |
Thornberry has become the first to throw her hat into the ringfor the Labour leadership. Another London leftie. We need a good solid pragmatic leader from outside London to appeal to the lost voters. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 16:03 - Dec 18 with 2182 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Good Luck UK on 15:09 - Dec 18 by colinallcars |
Thornberry has become the first to throw her hat into the ringfor the Labour leadership. Another London leftie. We need a good solid pragmatic leader from outside London to appeal to the lost voters. |
Labour need to select a pragmatic leader with no connection to the Corbyn regime who will shift party policies back to left of centre (without alienating Trade Unions), eradicate anti-Semitism from within its ranks and propose a credible manifesto that is endorsed by independent bodies such as the Institute of Fiscal Studies, Institute of Economic Development and Office for National Statistics. Thornberry is not that person. |  | | |
| Good Luck UK on 21:44 - Dec 18 with 2041 views | kensalriser |
Labour needs someone who is electable. Trying to profile the type of person it should be, ie a Northern working class woman, or anything else, is really incredibly stupid. Boris Johnson is none of these things and neither is David Cameron.
Get the candidate who is most likely to win an election, whoever, whatever they are. Nothing else matters. |  |
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| Good Luck UK on 22:37 - Dec 18 with 1990 views | DannytheR |
| Good Luck UK on 15:01 - Dec 18 by Ned_Kennedys |
Yeah I was there at the game. Although I was disappointed with the result I didn't spend the next few months bleating on about how unfair the result was and how the winners were terrible and didn't deserve it. Instead I knew that the way the system worked meant we had a chance to achieve our goal at a future date. |
Bleating? I've given Cummings more credit for his election strategy than you or any of the other Tory boys here. I just don't get why you would pull off a result like that and still want to talk about Emily Thornberry.
Crack a smile, mate, it's almost Christmas. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 22:42 - Dec 18 with 1976 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Good Luck UK on 21:44 - Dec 18 by kensalriser |
Labour needs someone who is electable. Trying to profile the type of person it should be, ie a Northern working class woman, or anything else, is really incredibly stupid. Boris Johnson is none of these things and neither is David Cameron.
Get the candidate who is most likely to win an election, whoever, whatever they are. Nothing else matters. |
They are fecked then. | |
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| Good Luck UK on 23:06 - Dec 18 with 1943 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Good Luck UK on 22:37 - Dec 18 by DannytheR |
Bleating? I've given Cummings more credit for his election strategy than you or any of the other Tory boys here. I just don't get why you would pull off a result like that and still want to talk about Emily Thornberry.
Crack a smile, mate, it's almost Christmas. |
Lighten up Trotsky Lad: this is a politics thread so posts about current political news seems reasonable to me. Would be boring if it was just full of hot air from blokes moaning about what terrible things Johnson may or may not actually do. | | | |
| Good Luck UK on 23:08 - Dec 18 with 1937 views | DannytheR |
| Good Luck UK on 23:06 - Dec 18 by Ned_Kennedys |
Lighten up Trotsky Lad: this is a politics thread so posts about current political news seems reasonable to me. Would be boring if it was just full of hot air from blokes moaning about what terrible things Johnson may or may not actually do. |
Oh well, I tried.
Happy Christmas.
You can do your downvotes now. | | | |
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