| De Boer 16:56 - Jun 26 with 17263 views | coolranger |
Whether you like to hear this or not, and Palace are a Premier League side at the moment, I think someone like Frank De Boer is what this club needs now. A Dutch or perhaps German manager to create an attractive style of football, fresh culture, bring on younger players and win over the fans with entertaining football that may not always win, but is good to watch.
Instead, what do we get ...? 'I'm looking forward to my 30th year in management and working with this exciting group of players to move the club forward blah blah blah' yawn....
Subtext:
'And if it doesn't work I'll still a) get paid very well every month and b) get paid off handsomely if sacked.
We really have come almost full circle from 2004/05. Really hard to get enthusiastic about this ongoing saga any longer. We are stuck.
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| De Boer on 17:03 - Jun 26 with 12075 views | CroydonCaptJack |
Hardly likely to come here is he?
As you say Palace are a Premiership club paying premiership wages. |  | | |
| De Boer on 17:10 - Jun 26 with 12059 views | coolranger |
| De Boer on 17:03 - Jun 26 by CroydonCaptJack |
Hardly likely to come here is he?
As you say Palace are a Premiership club paying premiership wages. |
Precisely the problem. We are stuck with 'plodders', who will plod along and line their pockets until sacked, offer all sorts of reasons for our latest 0-3 defeat at Sheff United, and then be replaced by the next plodder.
We are on a treadmill. We've been on it for years. | | | |
| De Boer on 17:22 - Jun 26 with 12026 views | aston_hoop |
"A Dutch or perhaps German manager to create an attractive style of football, fresh culture, bring on younger players and win over the fans with entertaining football that may not always win, but is good to watch"...god help them if that doesn't happen in the first 6 months of them being in charge though! |  |
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| De Boer on 17:31 - Jun 26 with 11992 views | coolranger |
| De Boer on 17:22 - Jun 26 by aston_hoop |
"A Dutch or perhaps German manager to create an attractive style of football, fresh culture, bring on younger players and win over the fans with entertaining football that may not always win, but is good to watch"...god help them if that doesn't happen in the first 6 months of them being in charge though! |
You're right. Let's stick with Holloway to move the club forward.
Blimey, we really are lost. | | | |
| De Boer on 17:35 - Jun 26 with 11981 views | TacticalR |
David Winner was pretty negative about de Boer in his article about what he sees as the two sides of Dutch football - the creative side represented by Cruyff, and the rigid side represented by Van Gaal:
'More importantly, the new Bosz is not the same as the old boss. Under the previous manager, Frank de Boer, Ajax won four successive Dutch titles but, so devout was his attachment to his mentor Louis van Gaal’s principles of possession and patient buildup, the team sometimes took 20 minutes to manage a shot on goal.'
'Cruyff and Van Gaal both loved the spatially sophisticated attacking football on which the club’s reputation rests but there were crucial differences. Following Michels, Van Gaal put his faith more in systems and rigid application of tactics. Cruyff believed in giving the most talented players freedom within a looser tactical structure.'
Ajax’s thrilling revival under Peter Bosz delivers on Johan Cruyff’s vision
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/may/24/ajax-johan-cruyff-peter-bosz-eu
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| De Boer on 17:36 - Jun 26 with 11974 views | coolranger |
| De Boer on 17:31 - Jun 26 by coolranger |
You're right. Let's stick with Holloway to move the club forward.
Blimey, we really are lost. |
There are good Dutch, German or even Scandinavian managers who would love to manage a side like Queens Park Rangers FC, with its history and the chance to live in London. What a great challenge for them.
But no, we'll stick with the Bristol Rovers / Plymouth Argyle / Blackpool / Millwall approach.
We really need some inspirational decisions to shake the place up from its slumber. I have NO enthusiasm for the coming season at the moment. ZERO.
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| De Boer on 17:41 - Jun 26 with 11949 views | WatfordR |
Absolutely spot on, I've said so for years.
With the greatest of respect to Olly and virtually every other British coach you can think of, there isn't one who i feel could move on to successfully manage a top six club in England, or successfully manage a top flight club of any sort in Spain, Germany, Italy or France. They are almost all tactically limited, and even a bright hope like Eddie Howe is quite happy to stay in a job where top flight survival is considered a success.
Is it really beyond our club to have gone out and found a continental coach who could have brought us football with some semblance of style and excitement. I'd rather see us turned over 4-3 playing exciting, open, aggressive football, making and taking chances, than the sort of uninspired rubbish that we've been subjected to for most of the last six years or so. Christ, if Watford can do it with a new manager going in after every half dozen games or so, surely we can?
Rant over! [Post edited 26 Jun 2017 17:41]
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| De Boer on 17:50 - Jun 26 with 11905 views | TacticalR |
We definitely need a tall, dark, handsome foreigner. Perhaps one of those rugged, unshaven Borussia Dortmund types? They're very much in vogue. | |
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| De Boer on 18:04 - Jun 26 with 11860 views | Hayesender |
I hear Jimmy Floyd Hasslebaink is avaliable |  |
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| De Boer on 19:44 - Jun 26 with 11740 views | aston_hoop |
| De Boer on 17:31 - Jun 26 by coolranger |
You're right. Let's stick with Holloway to move the club forward.
Blimey, we really are lost. |
Do you have an actual suggestion then? not a bloke who has come off the back of managing Ajax and Inter Milan, not a list of nationalities that are de rigueur at the moment, but an actual name of someone who would be interested and within our budget? because thats kind of important if we were to ditch a manager. Fair enough if you do, please let the club know! | |
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| De Boer on 19:54 - Jun 26 with 11715 views | Northolt_Rs |
| De Boer on 18:04 - Jun 26 by Hayesender |
I hear Jimmy Floyd Hasslebaink is avaliable |
Now there's a surprise.... |  |
| Scooters, Tunes, Trainers and QPR. |
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| De Boer on 20:28 - Jun 26 with 11637 views | californiahoop |
Tge Northern Ireland dude had his team playing beautiful football, so did the Italian. We are going with Ollie so have to keep our fingers crossed he gets it right. | | | |
| De Boer on 22:06 - Jun 26 with 11511 views | ichbinnaughty |
Remind me never to go for a pint with CoolRanger |  | | |
| De Boer on 22:24 - Jun 26 with 11477 views | TheBlob |
That geezer at Huddersfield did all right.He wasn't exactly a household name. |  |
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| De Boer on 22:42 - Jun 26 with 11446 views | Antti_Heinola |
| De Boer on 17:41 - Jun 26 by WatfordR |
Absolutely spot on, I've said so for years.
With the greatest of respect to Olly and virtually every other British coach you can think of, there isn't one who i feel could move on to successfully manage a top six club in England, or successfully manage a top flight club of any sort in Spain, Germany, Italy or France. They are almost all tactically limited, and even a bright hope like Eddie Howe is quite happy to stay in a job where top flight survival is considered a success.
Is it really beyond our club to have gone out and found a continental coach who could have brought us football with some semblance of style and excitement. I'd rather see us turned over 4-3 playing exciting, open, aggressive football, making and taking chances, than the sort of uninspired rubbish that we've been subjected to for most of the last six years or so. Christ, if Watford can do it with a new manager going in after every half dozen games or so, surely we can?
Rant over! [Post edited 26 Jun 2017 17:41]
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Yeah, attacking football where we also conceded a lot went down very well with CR in charge.
People say that - in your case you may well mean it! - but in practice, fans don't really want it. They want to win every game 3-0. Especially our fans. |  |
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| De Boer on 23:30 - Jun 26 with 11373 views | Northernr |
You're never going to get De Boer here, fcking ridiculous to think otherwise.
Have a look around. Palace are no bigger or more successful than us and have an equally antiquated stadium but they have 5 years of Premier League money now, they're all but established, they can spend £35m on a player and not think much of it. We're wondering whether we might have to sell Luongo so we can bring in Josh Scowen.
On the general point of 'wouldn't it be better to have a continental style manager, more attractive style of play, invest in youth' yeh, course it would. Ideal scenario, some Dutch bloke comes in and we walk the division playing super football with a team of under 24 year olds. But do QPR really look set up for that to you at the moment? Southampton had new stadium and massive support and ended up in admin in League One in part because they tried to do exactly this, employing Jan Poortvliet as manager and picking their youth team as their first team.
You've got to be very careful. Is what you're suggesting here really that different from what Chris Ramsey tried to do? Youth teamers got a chance, we scored fck loads of goals (top scorers in the Championship, 4-3 home wins, 3-2 at Wolves having been 2-0 down, Kenny Jackett said afterwards "they had ten shots on target, that's usually a win") and he got absolutely pilloried and people on here said "you win games with defence, I want to see us grinding results out". People took the pis out of his hat, and said he was out of his depth. That night at Brentford when he had to walk across the pitch under a hail of abuse - we were a high scoring, midtable Championship team at that point. We abused that guy so badly during a home game with MK Dons the opposition manager came to console him - and we won that 3-0!
We say we want youth teamers brought through and yet I read on the Facepaint that Ryan Manning is fcking sht, overrated, can't pass the ball, gives the ball away too much. Manning got stick from the crowd in the Forest home game last season (where I thought he played well) so bad he brought it up with Holloway afterwards asking what's going on. This is a kid fresh out the youth team who by and large has looked brilliant and we're giving him stick. Hasselbaink earlier in the season turned round and gave somebody in the Paddocks an earful because they were abusing Shodipo from a distance of about ten feet. I remember after the Sunderland cup match somebody openly sending messages on Twitter to Hamalainen and Kakay telling them how fcking awful they'd been and when I called him up on it he said "how else will they learn?"
I'm firmly with DaveB on this. When we have a young manager we say we need an older experienced one and when we have an older experienced one we say we need a younger one with something to prove. If we have a European manager he doesn't understand the Championship and we need a pwopah English gaffer, and when we have a pwopah English gaffer we wonder whether a European, forward thinking, continental style boss may be better. We look at Fernandes being taken for a ride and say we need a director of football, then we have a director of football and say why don't we let the manager get on with it. We ask them to scout the lower leagues and Europe and then when they do we give the players no time at all to settle and prove themselves and say we need more experienced players, we sign more experienced players and we say they're past it and don't care and earn too much and we should sign younger players from the lower leagues. We say we need more QPR people at the club, then when we get them we say it's job for the boys or they've only been hired because they're mates with somebody or even they've only been hired because they're black.
We'd never have hired David Wagner ("who's that, never managed first team, why didn't we go for Nigel Pearson" etc) and he wouldn't have succeeded here even if we had - just as people like Bidwell come here from well run clubs and fail.
I'd never fault anybody who spends their spare time watching QPR but fck me since the money first arrived with Briatore it's really diminished us as a support base.
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| De Boer on 00:04 - Jun 27 with 11325 views | WatfordR |
| De Boer on 22:42 - Jun 26 by Antti_Heinola |
Yeah, attacking football where we also conceded a lot went down very well with CR in charge.
People say that - in your case you may well mean it! - but in practice, fans don't really want it. They want to win every game 3-0. Especially our fans. |
I do mean it, because our history suggests that we'll only ever sporadically get things right enough to win trophies, or challenge to win trophies, and those moments will disappear almost as quickly as they arrive.
So if we're going to lose more matches than we win, I'd rather we go down having given it a go, than being sold the idea that only losing 1-0 is some kind of moral victory.
I was brought up on a QPR that revelled in giving teams much bigger than us a bloody nose, a team that the big boys hated playing, that was the top club in London as often as not. I don't want a QPR that can't be forward thinking, that doesn't want to be innovative. I'd be quite happy with that and accept that we're not going to win every week. | | | |
| De Boer on 00:13 - Jun 27 with 11312 views | daveB |
De Boer, yeah he'd be great sort of manager we should be going for who has won the dutch league several times and managed Inter, sure he'd fancy this job at QPR. I really don't know what planet some people are on.
A year ago we had young foreign manager in charge so QPR fans called for him to go as we wanted someone who understands the club better and plays more attacking football.
Fast forward a year and current QPR manager is in his 50's and English, knows the club well and for the most part tried to play attacking football sacrificing draws to try and win games which didn't always work so QPR fans call for young fella in charge instead
Fast Forward a year when we have young foreign manager who can't buy a win = QPR fans want grizzly old English manager who knows the league
Basically as ever QPR fans want the opposite of what they have and whatever they have they'll moan about. |  | | |
| De Boer on 00:17 - Jun 27 with 11310 views | daveB |
| De Boer on 00:04 - Jun 27 by WatfordR |
I do mean it, because our history suggests that we'll only ever sporadically get things right enough to win trophies, or challenge to win trophies, and those moments will disappear almost as quickly as they arrive.
So if we're going to lose more matches than we win, I'd rather we go down having given it a go, than being sold the idea that only losing 1-0 is some kind of moral victory.
I was brought up on a QPR that revelled in giving teams much bigger than us a bloody nose, a team that the big boys hated playing, that was the top club in London as often as not. I don't want a QPR that can't be forward thinking, that doesn't want to be innovative. I'd be quite happy with that and accept that we're not going to win every week. |
all well and good saying that but when we lost having a go against Brighton, Huddersfield, Sheff Wed and Villa last season the manager was called an idiot for not playing for draws. | | | |
| De Boer on 02:57 - Jun 27 with 11263 views | Pommyhoop |
| De Boer on 23:30 - Jun 26 by Northernr |
You're never going to get De Boer here, fcking ridiculous to think otherwise.
Have a look around. Palace are no bigger or more successful than us and have an equally antiquated stadium but they have 5 years of Premier League money now, they're all but established, they can spend £35m on a player and not think much of it. We're wondering whether we might have to sell Luongo so we can bring in Josh Scowen.
On the general point of 'wouldn't it be better to have a continental style manager, more attractive style of play, invest in youth' yeh, course it would. Ideal scenario, some Dutch bloke comes in and we walk the division playing super football with a team of under 24 year olds. But do QPR really look set up for that to you at the moment? Southampton had new stadium and massive support and ended up in admin in League One in part because they tried to do exactly this, employing Jan Poortvliet as manager and picking their youth team as their first team.
You've got to be very careful. Is what you're suggesting here really that different from what Chris Ramsey tried to do? Youth teamers got a chance, we scored fck loads of goals (top scorers in the Championship, 4-3 home wins, 3-2 at Wolves having been 2-0 down, Kenny Jackett said afterwards "they had ten shots on target, that's usually a win") and he got absolutely pilloried and people on here said "you win games with defence, I want to see us grinding results out". People took the pis out of his hat, and said he was out of his depth. That night at Brentford when he had to walk across the pitch under a hail of abuse - we were a high scoring, midtable Championship team at that point. We abused that guy so badly during a home game with MK Dons the opposition manager came to console him - and we won that 3-0!
We say we want youth teamers brought through and yet I read on the Facepaint that Ryan Manning is fcking sht, overrated, can't pass the ball, gives the ball away too much. Manning got stick from the crowd in the Forest home game last season (where I thought he played well) so bad he brought it up with Holloway afterwards asking what's going on. This is a kid fresh out the youth team who by and large has looked brilliant and we're giving him stick. Hasselbaink earlier in the season turned round and gave somebody in the Paddocks an earful because they were abusing Shodipo from a distance of about ten feet. I remember after the Sunderland cup match somebody openly sending messages on Twitter to Hamalainen and Kakay telling them how fcking awful they'd been and when I called him up on it he said "how else will they learn?"
I'm firmly with DaveB on this. When we have a young manager we say we need an older experienced one and when we have an older experienced one we say we need a younger one with something to prove. If we have a European manager he doesn't understand the Championship and we need a pwopah English gaffer, and when we have a pwopah English gaffer we wonder whether a European, forward thinking, continental style boss may be better. We look at Fernandes being taken for a ride and say we need a director of football, then we have a director of football and say why don't we let the manager get on with it. We ask them to scout the lower leagues and Europe and then when they do we give the players no time at all to settle and prove themselves and say we need more experienced players, we sign more experienced players and we say they're past it and don't care and earn too much and we should sign younger players from the lower leagues. We say we need more QPR people at the club, then when we get them we say it's job for the boys or they've only been hired because they're mates with somebody or even they've only been hired because they're black.
We'd never have hired David Wagner ("who's that, never managed first team, why didn't we go for Nigel Pearson" etc) and he wouldn't have succeeded here even if we had - just as people like Bidwell come here from well run clubs and fail.
I'd never fault anybody who spends their spare time watching QPR but fck me since the money first arrived with Briatore it's really diminished us as a support base.
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| De Boer on 07:14 - Jun 27 with 11182 views | WatfordR |
| De Boer on 00:17 - Jun 27 by daveB |
all well and good saying that but when we lost having a go against Brighton, Huddersfield, Sheff Wed and Villa last season the manager was called an idiot for not playing for draws. |
Not by me. The only thing we had to do last season was stay up,and we were never really seriously in doubt of doing that. So if you can't have a go in those circumstances, then when can you?
And if certain so called fans can't understand that, they really aren't worth worrying very much about. | | | |
| De Boer on 08:44 - Jun 27 with 11111 views | paulparker |
De Boer will be gone by October/November to be replaced by Roy Hodgson, I don't get this de boer love in as I think he is very overrated imho
Now for years we have had this manager and that manger , we have had up & coming coaches to foreign managers to old crooks and by the end of it we pretty much all agreed that we wanted QPR men here , well we have that now , we have Les, Sinton, Olly, Birch, penrice even talk of Sinclair coming here and yet we don't want that now ? we now want a foreign manager , blimey , we have youth players coming through and in maybe 2 years time will see big money for some players being sold, if anything we are doing things the Ajax or Bilbao way ie making the club have an identity with QPR people involved (we have also sent representatives to Bilbao to over see how they do things ) all that's missing is the new training ground ( yeah I know ) and possibly Gerry coming back to coach ,
we are looking in good shape off the pitch , we are putting in place decent scouting networks, by all accounts are community team is brilliant and we are now seeing the forever Rs club grow ( not that I agree with some of the players going in ) , but that's progress and that's what I want to see from QPR ,
if we can improve on the pitch and start playing with some width and a bit of panache win the odd home game then things will be a lot better , we have to be patient ( im a fine one to talk I know ) but that's the bottom line these things don't change overnight,
think back ten years to the Briatore regime or 4 years to Harry Redknapp tenure or go back 20 years to the chris wright debacle or 25 years to the era of Thompson bleeding the club dry , 30 years of possibly losing the club to a merger , all sh1t times and all those eras split the fan base
we have got what we wanted now , QPR run by QPR legends so lets get behind them we haven't had this since the 60s and 70s so lets support this model of what we are trying to achieve because in 10 or 20 years time clubs will maybe send their representatives to us to see how we do it |  |
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| De Boer on 08:52 - Jun 27 with 11101 views | DejR_vu |
Never understood why people get so irritated about fans being inconsistent with what they want. QPR fans are the same as any other fans, it's a group of individuals with differing opinions. Some want young managers, some want experience; some want foreign managers, some want English. So it's pretty obvious there are going to be different views expressed on a message board. | |
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