| Unbelievable these Tories 06:09 - May 1 with 9160 views | builthjack |
So, after all the drama, and over half a billion spent, the Tories have lost over 60% of the people that they were deporting to Rwanda.
Only about 2000 of the 5700 can still be traced. The rest are missing.
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 07:05 - May 1 with 3325 views | felixstowe_jack |
What did you want them to lock up all economic migrants until their false asylum claims are rejected.
What is Starmer and labour 's policy for dealing with illegal immigrants? [Post edited 1 May 7:06]
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 08:54 - May 1 with 3262 views | onehunglow |
Think we should have a Tories Section ,where folk can vent their spleens . | |
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 15:35 - May 1 with 3216 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 07:05 - May 1 by felixstowe_jack |
What did you want them to lock up all economic migrants until their false asylum claims are rejected.
What is Starmer and labour 's policy for dealing with illegal immigrants? [Post edited 1 May 7:06]
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Obviously, lock them all up so Labour can moan about human rights. | | | |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 15:51 - May 1 with 3204 views | raynor94 |
Can't wait for Starmers solution to the boats crisis |  |
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 16:07 - May 1 with 3191 views | builthjack |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 07:05 - May 1 by felixstowe_jack |
What did you want them to lock up all economic migrants until their false asylum claims are rejected.
What is Starmer and labour 's policy for dealing with illegal immigrants? [Post edited 1 May 7:06]
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If they were going to deport them, surely they should know where they are. Thick as dogshite.
Yet you and a couple of others agree. Blimey. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 16:10 - May 1 with 3188 views | Wingstandwood |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 15:51 - May 1 by raynor94 |
Can't wait for Starmers solution to the boats crisis |
I do wonder? I sincerely I hope its not what was passed in Labour conference a few years back, because they will be even worse than what we've got now, and that'll take some doing.
If this master plan is adhered to we are talking about absolute catastrophic repercussions for U.K on par with what is happening in New York!!!!
(QUOTE): 1. Oppose the current Tory immigration legislation and any curbing of rights.
2. Campaign for free movement, equality and rights for migrants.
3. Reject any immigration system based on incomes, migrants’ utility to business, and number caps/targets.
4. Close all detention centres.
5. Ensure unconditional right to family reunion.
6. Maintain and extend free movement rights.
7. End “no recourse to public funds” policies.
8. Scrap all Hostile Environment measures, use of landlords and public service providers as border guards, and restrictions on migrants’ NHS access.
9. Actively challenge anti-immigrant narratives.
10. Extend equal rights to vote to all UK residents (END OF QUOTE)
https://labourlist.org/2019/09/labour-conference-approves-motion-to-extend-free- |  |
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 16:29 - May 1 with 3178 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 16:10 - May 1 by Wingstandwood |
I do wonder? I sincerely I hope its not what was passed in Labour conference a few years back, because they will be even worse than what we've got now, and that'll take some doing.
If this master plan is adhered to we are talking about absolute catastrophic repercussions for U.K on par with what is happening in New York!!!!
(QUOTE): 1. Oppose the current Tory immigration legislation and any curbing of rights.
2. Campaign for free movement, equality and rights for migrants.
3. Reject any immigration system based on incomes, migrants’ utility to business, and number caps/targets.
4. Close all detention centres.
5. Ensure unconditional right to family reunion.
6. Maintain and extend free movement rights.
7. End “no recourse to public funds” policies.
8. Scrap all Hostile Environment measures, use of landlords and public service providers as border guards, and restrictions on migrants’ NHS access.
9. Actively challenge anti-immigrant narratives.
10. Extend equal rights to vote to all UK residents (END OF QUOTE)
https://labourlist.org/2019/09/labour-conference-approves-motion-to-extend-free- |
That’s a more Corbyn led idiocy. Not sure what their policies are now but if it’s anything that resembles this they aren’t fit to govern. |  |
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 16:36 - May 1 with 3169 views | Wingstandwood |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 16:29 - May 1 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
That’s a more Corbyn led idiocy. Not sure what their policies are now but if it’s anything that resembles this they aren’t fit to govern. |
I hope that Labour do not send a green light to the entire world like Biden and his gang has done in the U.S.A. Because the U.K is in enough trouble as it is when it comes to over-population, housing and public services. | |
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 16:36 - May 1 with 3166 views | onehunglow |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 16:29 - May 1 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
That’s a more Corbyn led idiocy. Not sure what their policies are now but if it’s anything that resembles this they aren’t fit to govern. |
There is money to be made from immigrants and votes too. | |
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 17:30 - May 1 with 3123 views | bennytheblue |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 15:51 - May 1 by raynor94 |
Can't wait for Starmers solution to the boats crisis |
If it’s anything like Tony Blair’s policy it will be plane fulls coming this way for free not being shipped out as he attempted to De-Tory the country knowing that any new immigrants coming in would always vote for them. |  | | |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 17:39 - May 1 with 3098 views | controversial_jack |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 15:51 - May 1 by raynor94 |
Can't wait for Starmers solution to the boats crisis |
This govt doesn't have one now for sure | | | |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 17:39 - May 1 with 3114 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 16:07 - May 1 by builthjack |
If they were going to deport them, surely they should know where they are. Thick as dogshite.
Yet you and a couple of others agree. Blimey. |
As I said above, what were they supposed to do, lock them all up?
If they had, who would have been shouting about human rights being ignored?
Lets see what Labourr does when they win the GE, because they are going to. Then there'll be nowhere to hide.
Labour in Wales, Labour in Westminster, then we shall see. | | | |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 17:45 - May 1 with 3105 views | raynor94 |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 17:39 - May 1 by controversial_jack |
This govt doesn't have one now for sure |
Rounding the failed asylum seekers up and deporting them seems like a plan | |
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 18:26 - May 1 with 3064 views | controversial_jack |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 17:45 - May 1 by raynor94 |
Rounding the failed asylum seekers up and deporting them seems like a plan |
Really, at £3 million per detainee? That will take care of a few hundred at most  | | | |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 18:30 - May 1 with 3076 views | max936 |
Clueless Builth, but in fairness they've been clueless for the last 13yrs or so, selecting Boris to lead them put the tin hat on it, then you had Truss and now we got Smiler as the head honcho. |  |
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 18:38 - May 1 with 3069 views | AnotherJohn |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 15:51 - May 1 by raynor94 |
Can't wait for Starmers solution to the boats crisis |
The Labour solution seems to be: crack down on the people smugglers, returns deal with the EU, and extra safe routes.
My problem with this is that the Tories are already trying the first without a great deal of success. Just in relation to paying France to police its border, the HoC Library states that the UK paid £232 million directly between 2014 and April 2023, plus another £86.9 million on related expenditure such as Channel tunnel security and border strengthening. Moreover, the UK has committed to spend around £476 million to fund French assistance between 2023/24 and 2025/26. (Just as a reference point the amount so far spent on Rwanda is £240 million up to December 2023.)
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9681/
There have been attempts to engage with Belgium, Germany and Turkey to slow the supply of rubber boats to the French coast, which will also have cost something. It is unclear what more Labour could do and what the cost would be.
A returns deal seems very difficult, as even with all the money paid so far France is unwilling to move to this next step and says that such a policy has to be agreed with Brussels. From what has been leaked about likely negotiating positions, there could be no returns policy without burden sharing, meaning accepting a quota of arrivals into the EU from migrant source countries. Very few returns occurred when the Dublin Regulation was in operation before Brexit, so one may conclude that the UK would be lucky if returns were as high as the burden-sharing quota allocated. Being able to use the Dublin Regulation does not seem to be helping Ireland, even though the details of many migrants transiting through the UK will already be in the Eurodac database.
The safe routes proposal has never made sense to me as the numbers of people wishing to move from conflict-affected countries, or those where some people may be at risk of persecution, is very high indeed. There will always be a fair number of asylum seekers who do not meet the criteria for refugee status. We have seen what is happening on the US Southern border with safe routes already provided. The people smugglers would still have many takers.
So I don’t see how any of these ideas will work. I see that Andrew Marr is saying Labour may keep the Rwanda policy for a while if it is working. | | | |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 20:15 - May 1 with 3015 views | JumpingJackFlash |
Over population resulting in the crisis in housing, the NHS, social care etc has been encouraged by the government.
Obviously illegal immigration is a problem and needs to be stopped. It accounted for just under 30 thousand people last year. On the other hand the government welcomed one and a quarter million immigrants to Britain by issuing visas for them all.
The problem for the government is that without immigration the NHS would collapse due to the lack of staff. Social care would collapse for the same reason as would the hospitality industry. Universities would be in dire straits too. British people could do these jobs but they don’t appear to want to and we have countless people considered long term sick.
The average female of child bearing age in Britain is giving birth to 1.6 children.and the figure continues to fall. To maintain population levels that figure needs to be 2.1. With an ageing population that’s a time bomb economically and we need immigrants to work and pay taxes. Our housing stock is inadequate, schools and hospitals are falling down and the infrastructure of the country is disintegrating. Controlled immigration of productive people who pay taxes is the answer but it’s very difficult to achieve.
I don’t think either party has a clue what to do. | | | |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 20:32 - May 1 with 2998 views | onehunglow |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 20:15 - May 1 by JumpingJackFlash |
Over population resulting in the crisis in housing, the NHS, social care etc has been encouraged by the government.
Obviously illegal immigration is a problem and needs to be stopped. It accounted for just under 30 thousand people last year. On the other hand the government welcomed one and a quarter million immigrants to Britain by issuing visas for them all.
The problem for the government is that without immigration the NHS would collapse due to the lack of staff. Social care would collapse for the same reason as would the hospitality industry. Universities would be in dire straits too. British people could do these jobs but they don’t appear to want to and we have countless people considered long term sick.
The average female of child bearing age in Britain is giving birth to 1.6 children.and the figure continues to fall. To maintain population levels that figure needs to be 2.1. With an ageing population that’s a time bomb economically and we need immigrants to work and pay taxes. Our housing stock is inadequate, schools and hospitals are falling down and the infrastructure of the country is disintegrating. Controlled immigration of productive people who pay taxes is the answer but it’s very difficult to achieve.
I don’t think either party has a clue what to do. |
None has the guts to do what the majority want and that is to stop them coming and in doing so,not making it attractive to come here .
We are gutless | |
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 20:33 - May 1 with 2999 views | AnotherJohn |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 20:15 - May 1 by JumpingJackFlash |
Over population resulting in the crisis in housing, the NHS, social care etc has been encouraged by the government.
Obviously illegal immigration is a problem and needs to be stopped. It accounted for just under 30 thousand people last year. On the other hand the government welcomed one and a quarter million immigrants to Britain by issuing visas for them all.
The problem for the government is that without immigration the NHS would collapse due to the lack of staff. Social care would collapse for the same reason as would the hospitality industry. Universities would be in dire straits too. British people could do these jobs but they don’t appear to want to and we have countless people considered long term sick.
The average female of child bearing age in Britain is giving birth to 1.6 children.and the figure continues to fall. To maintain population levels that figure needs to be 2.1. With an ageing population that’s a time bomb economically and we need immigrants to work and pay taxes. Our housing stock is inadequate, schools and hospitals are falling down and the infrastructure of the country is disintegrating. Controlled immigration of productive people who pay taxes is the answer but it’s very difficult to achieve.
I don’t think either party has a clue what to do. |
The added problem is that it has to be productive people with incomes high enough that their taxes exceed the cost of in-work benefits and services received. That means a household income above £40K if they are to make a net fiscal contribution. | | | |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 20:50 - May 1 with 2995 views | max936 |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 20:15 - May 1 by JumpingJackFlash |
Over population resulting in the crisis in housing, the NHS, social care etc has been encouraged by the government.
Obviously illegal immigration is a problem and needs to be stopped. It accounted for just under 30 thousand people last year. On the other hand the government welcomed one and a quarter million immigrants to Britain by issuing visas for them all.
The problem for the government is that without immigration the NHS would collapse due to the lack of staff. Social care would collapse for the same reason as would the hospitality industry. Universities would be in dire straits too. British people could do these jobs but they don’t appear to want to and we have countless people considered long term sick.
The average female of child bearing age in Britain is giving birth to 1.6 children.and the figure continues to fall. To maintain population levels that figure needs to be 2.1. With an ageing population that’s a time bomb economically and we need immigrants to work and pay taxes. Our housing stock is inadequate, schools and hospitals are falling down and the infrastructure of the country is disintegrating. Controlled immigration of productive people who pay taxes is the answer but it’s very difficult to achieve.
I don’t think either party has a clue what to do. |
Hell of a post that fair play. | |
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 20:53 - May 1 with 2986 views | Gwyn737 |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 20:33 - May 1 by AnotherJohn |
The added problem is that it has to be productive people with incomes high enough that their taxes exceed the cost of in-work benefits and services received. That means a household income above £40K if they are to make a net fiscal contribution. |
Makes the regs to stop carers bringing their families over seem daft, doesn’t it? | | | |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 00:08 - May 2 with 2898 views | majorraglan |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 20:15 - May 1 by JumpingJackFlash |
Over population resulting in the crisis in housing, the NHS, social care etc has been encouraged by the government.
Obviously illegal immigration is a problem and needs to be stopped. It accounted for just under 30 thousand people last year. On the other hand the government welcomed one and a quarter million immigrants to Britain by issuing visas for them all.
The problem for the government is that without immigration the NHS would collapse due to the lack of staff. Social care would collapse for the same reason as would the hospitality industry. Universities would be in dire straits too. British people could do these jobs but they don’t appear to want to and we have countless people considered long term sick.
The average female of child bearing age in Britain is giving birth to 1.6 children.and the figure continues to fall. To maintain population levels that figure needs to be 2.1. With an ageing population that’s a time bomb economically and we need immigrants to work and pay taxes. Our housing stock is inadequate, schools and hospitals are falling down and the infrastructure of the country is disintegrating. Controlled immigration of productive people who pay taxes is the answer but it’s very difficult to achieve.
I don’t think either party has a clue what to do. |
You are right about the immigration numbers they are huge. Governments have allowed the population of the U.K. to increase significantly over the last 20 years, initially there was an influx from Eastern Europe when we were in the EU which governments and employers liked for different reasons, but more latterly over the last 3 years legal and illegal immigration has rocketed. Some parts of the government are still advocating increased levels of immigration because it benefits the economy and public services, NHS etc.
While there are benefits to immigration, there are downsides too and we are seeing that in terms of the lack of affordable housing, whether that is social housing or private housing - it’s mental that the average house is around 9 times the average wage. We don’t have enough doctors, we’re not building hospitals , we’ve got one of the lowest number of bed to patient ratios in the developed world , we’re not building houses, not investing in our infrastructure, water, sewers, power generation etc etc.
Immigration is also masking another major issue - we’ve got a lot of people who don’t want to work and that really needs addressing. Benefits should be a safety net not a life style choice, but addressing this is a difficult one. If you cut benefits, there’s a risk of pushing people in to poverty, but how do you incentives work without cutting benefits? I spoke to a lady this week, she was 79 and it was clear she knew her way around the benefits system and how to get round things, I was astounded.
In terms of children and the birth rate, it’s defo falling across many socio economic groups because quite simply people can’t afford kids. When houses are 9x the average salary and child care is so expensive, people can’t afford many kids. Fairly recently a couple of conservative MP’s drew attention to the falling birth rate and suggested axing the cap on family allowance and a few other measures because they can see what’s happening, but I don’t think anything came of it. The only people I know having multiple kids are the chavmungous, the NEETs etc who don’t give two hoots, drag up their kids etc etc- they are the very people we don’t want having masses of kids as they are likely to be the clients of the Courts, social services etc etc in the future. | | | |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 00:10 - May 2 with 2896 views | builthjack |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 18:30 - May 1 by max936 |
Clueless Builth, but in fairness they've been clueless for the last 13yrs or so, selecting Boris to lead them put the tin hat on it, then you had Truss and now we got Smiler as the head honcho. |
Aye, what a pathetic bunch they are.
After all the damage they have done it will take a long time to get it anywhere near right.
14 Years of cock ups.
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 07:23 - May 2 with 2846 views | AnotherJohn |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 15:51 - May 1 by raynor94 |
Can't wait for Starmers solution to the boats crisis |
Looks as though I missed a key element in my earlier post. Labour will add the nearly 100,000 undocumented migrants who are ineligible for asylum under current legislation to the asylum backlog. This represents a 7-fold increase in the number queueing and appears far beyond present processing capacity. To deal with that, Labour plans to recruit 1000 new officers, plus arrange new returns agreements. At the moment very few returns are possible, so it looks like rejected cases will be allowed to stay on a more temporary basis. I think it is fair to say that in reality they are talking about an amnesty.
If there have been signs of a deterrent effect with the recent influx of around 7000 migrants into Ireland, that seems to have just gone out the window with a Labour election victory likely. Was that the plan in making the announcement now? Were the Labour front bench afraid that the Rwanda policy seemed to be starting to work? [Post edited 2 May 7:26]
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| Unbelievable these Tories on 07:31 - May 2 with 2828 views | Dr_Winston |
| Unbelievable these Tories on 00:08 - May 2 by majorraglan |
You are right about the immigration numbers they are huge. Governments have allowed the population of the U.K. to increase significantly over the last 20 years, initially there was an influx from Eastern Europe when we were in the EU which governments and employers liked for different reasons, but more latterly over the last 3 years legal and illegal immigration has rocketed. Some parts of the government are still advocating increased levels of immigration because it benefits the economy and public services, NHS etc.
While there are benefits to immigration, there are downsides too and we are seeing that in terms of the lack of affordable housing, whether that is social housing or private housing - it’s mental that the average house is around 9 times the average wage. We don’t have enough doctors, we’re not building hospitals , we’ve got one of the lowest number of bed to patient ratios in the developed world , we’re not building houses, not investing in our infrastructure, water, sewers, power generation etc etc.
Immigration is also masking another major issue - we’ve got a lot of people who don’t want to work and that really needs addressing. Benefits should be a safety net not a life style choice, but addressing this is a difficult one. If you cut benefits, there’s a risk of pushing people in to poverty, but how do you incentives work without cutting benefits? I spoke to a lady this week, she was 79 and it was clear she knew her way around the benefits system and how to get round things, I was astounded.
In terms of children and the birth rate, it’s defo falling across many socio economic groups because quite simply people can’t afford kids. When houses are 9x the average salary and child care is so expensive, people can’t afford many kids. Fairly recently a couple of conservative MP’s drew attention to the falling birth rate and suggested axing the cap on family allowance and a few other measures because they can see what’s happening, but I don’t think anything came of it. The only people I know having multiple kids are the chavmungous, the NEETs etc who don’t give two hoots, drag up their kids etc etc- they are the very people we don’t want having masses of kids as they are likely to be the clients of the Courts, social services etc etc in the future. |
Your last sentence is basically the opening scene of Idiocracy, and it's frighteningly close to the truth.
There has been the predictable outrage from the predictable sources to the Governments plans to reform PIP, but it is, at heart, something that probably does need looking at. I do question whether someone who suffers from mental health issues needs extra funding. More to the point, in my experience, the worst thing you can do for people with poor mental health is pay them to sit at home all day.
Covid saw an explosion in the cases of people reporting poor mental health. Quite clearly as a direct result of the lockdown mandates, especially amongst the young. Humans are social creatures. They need to be outdoors and with other people. Forcing or enabling them to do the opposite has done a tremendous amount of damage. [Post edited 2 May 8:03]
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