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Reply | Madsen
at 16:38 5 Feb 2025
It's not just a build / physical thing with Madsen though is it? Even if he were built like Bob Hazell he'd still skirt, dance around and avoid challenges. His mentality is to stay upright and clean and do technical things. Even if he looked like Tarzan, he'd still play like Jane. I'm not sure if they'll be able to change that and I don't think any team in the Championship can afford to carry a player like that in the XI. |
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Reply | Madsen
at 16:03 5 Feb 2025
Got to admire your consistency here, SE. You criticised Marti a few months ago for his involvement in poor transfers and now some of them are undoubtedly coming good, you're consistent here by giving him some of the credit. Fair play to you. By the same token, Nourry is due some credit from me to counterbalance the slagging off I did a few months ago.
On Madsen... I'd still say - whoever is responsible to whatever degree - he and Celar were our highest price and most important acquisitions and they both appear to have landed fairly wildly wide of the mark. I'd still not give up on Celar personally after 'that' night in Cardiff, though we look far better balanced with Frey in the team. Madsen though appears an absolute shocker of a transfer and completely wrong for the Championship. Unless we can get some money back on him he'll continue to hurt our P&S position for the next three seasons so not quite as easy to chalk it up to 'not every transfer works out. The swing and miss on Hevverton was exactly that and that's fair enough, no biggy. Madsen though was a significant outlay for us and with how tight our P&S situation is we just can't afford to commit what we did for a player that is far more helpful to QPR when he's sat in the stands.
The smaller fee transfers though of Nardi, Morrison, Edwards, Varane, Saito and even Frey himself have been really quite good now they're finding their feet and I think shows a much better recruitment profile than ones we've had for quite a number of seasons. |
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Reply | The Urine Kit
at 16:38 3 Feb 2025
I'm with you on the requirement for hoops. I know the say they like to have a break between DTM kits as they sell more when they come back but there's no good reason that every away kit isn't hoops surely? They could have done piss and black hoops or even hydrated piss and dehydrated piss pinhoops and it would have been ok. They can still go mad on a wild third kit and wear it a couple of times a season if it makes money... Just have us playing in hoops in 95% plus of the games.
I'd be very surprised if any hooped away shirt doesn't sell better than the majority of plain ones. Especially when piss coloured. [Post edited 3 Feb 16:40]
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 13:48 3 Feb 2025
I'm not sensitive about it at all. I'll talk about it as much as you like. I'd just rather not give moderators a headache so would rather do it in private.
By the way I read a race related 'joke' on this very forum last week. Why would you be so triggered about it as a plausibility? That's a rhetorical question. [Post edited 3 Feb 14:06]
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 13:26 3 Feb 2025
I'm not 'targeting' anyone. I feel passionately about this subject so won't apologise for my choice of words or vigilance. I wouldn't want to turn this thread either off-topic nor into something Clive and the mods have to police but feel free to DM if you'd like to discuss what I meant. |
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 13:11 3 Feb 2025
Again... I wasn't talking about the club having a bias in any way. I don't know how you got to that from what I said. I actually think the club does a very good job of ensuring they don't have biases. [Post edited 3 Feb 13:13]
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 13:00 3 Feb 2025
Precisely how I feel. I think they'd have been uncomfortable with him only having 12 months left, let alone 6.
If they didn't feel that discomfort - having consistently peddled the 'need to make money on all our assets' rhetoric - they're incompetent.
Equally... I feel there must be more to this story given we've reportedly rejected multi million pound bids this weekend. They cannot possibly let him go on a free now. The backlash would be loud and justified.
I wonder if there's an agreement in place on a new deal that they'll only announce or even sign if no clubs meet a pre-agreed transfer fee this window. It all smells too fishy otherwise. |
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 12:51 3 Feb 2025
Wow I have no idea how you've come to that conclusion. I said nothing of QPR's handling of Willock's contract. If anything I've defended QPR's handling of contracts. My post you're referring to was either horrifically worded or you've read it very, very wrong. [Post edited 3 Feb 12:52]
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 12:39 3 Feb 2025
It's very rare I disagree with you Dave but I think we'll have to chalk it up on this one!
He would definitely make more money out of a free transfer to another Championship club in the summer than by extending his contract here. There definitely would be a meaty signing on fee as that's what happens with free transfers if there's competition - which there undoubtedly would be.
Some people are finding it utterly implausible that JD or his agent could be chasing money a bit here, instead preferring to assume QPR have been lazy or arrogant enough to not bother offering him a contract within the last 6-12 months of his terms. That makes no sense to me.
If it has been complacency on QPR's part I would be absolutely livid. Given how keen they are to gain 'competitive advantages' everywhere and anywhere they can though I'm just failing to believe that they'd let one of their most important players enter the final transfer window of his contract - running the risk of him leaving on a free in the summer - simply because there's 'no rush'. That would be complete neligence. |
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Reply | New Year transfer window rumours
at 12:21 3 Feb 2025
I'm only repeating what Lassel has said. I don't have a clue about any contract terms. He's said it multiple times with confidence though. |
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 11:59 3 Feb 2025
I'm sorry Dave I'm not sure the club would have behaved like that either. Not since the summer let alone towards this transfer window. With every week that ticks by towards the end of that contract Jimmy's agent gains leverage by saying 'fine, we'll go on a free and pick up an enormous singing on fee'. QPR are so painfully aware of this after Willock, Bright, Manning etc etc. Sheff Utd interest or not, they're clearly uncomfortable with having players in the last six months of their deals given both Willock and Kolli disappeared from selections and I simply don't believe they'd have been so passive. |
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 11:48 3 Feb 2025
That's such a massive leap to make. I don't believe for a second Jimmy and his agent have been sat there desperate to sign a new contract whatever the terms, with the club holding him at arm's length for no real reason at all. If he were willing, it would have happened. It takes both parties to sign a contract. Ultimately Nourry's is acting in the best interest of QPR and Jimmy Dunne and his agent will act in the best interest of their bank accounts. [Post edited 3 Feb 11:51]
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 11:41 3 Feb 2025
Well the one year was an automatic trigger so no negotiations required.
Ultimately we're all in the dark on the contract situation. I would be absolutely aghast though if this were a 'complacency' thing on QPR's part. I find it hard to believe that Jimmy Dunne's contract offer has been hanging around on a list somewhere for six to twelve months and they keep saying 'ahh, we'll do that next month'. I think it's far more likely that there's fairly consistent dialogue between club and player representatives and at no point have they been remotely close.
I agree those representatives have probably been gaining leverage all season as Jimmy has been playing so well, possibly making the respective valuations widen rather than close. Again though, other players in similar situations get criticised for suddenly finding fitness or form towards the end of their contract yet in Jimmy's case it's largely deemed QPR's fault that it's got this far.
My read (slash guess) is that Jimmy and his agent can see pound signs coming this transfer window or summer and are trying their best to get it. I'm not offended by that nor do I particularly begrudge JD for doing it given the shift he's put in since the day he arrived but I'm not a massive fan of the badge banging and soundbites about how much he loves it here in those circumstances. Clearly it's encouraged some people on this thread to side with him over the club / Nourry and I'm not at all convinced Nourry has done a thing wrong in this instance. |
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 11:15 3 Feb 2025
A fair and important point. |
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 11:14 3 Feb 2025
Well I personally wouldn't read too much into that. That assumes that contract negotiations only work in hierarchical offers. It might be that no official offer had come in because he and / or his agent were / are demanding terms we simply can't 'offer'. |
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 10:53 3 Feb 2025
How do you know Dunne hasn't been offered multiple deals Dave?
Given they don't tell us how long players are contracted and sometimes that players are injured I don't see how we'd know one way or the other. I'd also be absolutely stunned if they hadn't tried to extend his contract at any point over the last 12 months. |
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Reply | New Year transfer window rumours
at 10:38 3 Feb 2025
I agree. I guess we'll find out of Nourry does over the next six months.
Lassel seems to think both Cook and Colback have player options for next year by the way. If true I'd be amazed if they both don't take them up. |
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Reply | New Year transfer window rumours
at 10:06 3 Feb 2025
I think Nump meant the recruitment model, not a tactical one or Nourry's 'game model'.
Spending a sizeable amount on wages on a 32 year old with no sell-on value and blocking game time for younger players' development is the opposite of the recruitment model and makes little to no sense. |
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Reply | Dunne off?
at 09:59 3 Feb 2025
The general feeling on this thread is very, very different to a very similar conversation about Chris Willock 12 months ago.
Now I understand these two players are pretty much polar opposites in their style of play, attitude and availability... But with Willock it was all "money-grabbing, poorly advised, his Dad's a prick", etc. etc.
Now here's Jimmy Dunne, who is essentially electing to do the very same thing that Willock did, arguably with a better PR team / agent, playing out of his skin, managing to turn large swathes of QPR fans against QPR and on his side. If he really loved QPR and weren't simply trying to earn as much money as he possibly could, he'd have signed a contract by now. It really is that simple. It's pretty clear to me he's gaining and using as much leverage as possible in order to get the most lucrative move that he can - be that Sheff Utd today or a free transfer in the summer.
I will never knock him for what he's done on the pitch, he's an absolute joy to watch due to his commitment and effort and physicality. If only we could have bottled his match attitude and given it to the likes of Madsen, Willock himself, Dozzell and countless others. We'd be in the Premier League. But I'm not going to fall for the soundbites about how much he loves QPR until he signs a contract.
I'd even go as far as to say there's some subconscious bias present given his stature and background etc. compared to Willock's. At the end of the day, they've both done the same thing. [Post edited 3 Feb 10:01]
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