| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along 11:41 - Mar 1 with 9042 views | mangohilljack |
And any opposing argument or suggestions that went against the narrative were censored.
Some have been demonised and cancelled for speaking a truth, when the majority were taken in hook line and sinker.
MSM not able to hold the truth in any longer. I'm sure there is much more to come hence the leaders of the time resigning in their droves.
Surely an investigation to get to the bottom of it is a must now and we can put it all to bed once and for all.
read it for yourself here
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/10-myths-told-by-covid- |  | | |  |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:05 - Mar 1 with 4549 views | Scotia |
Misrepresented rubbish.
Let's juts look at point 1:-
Misinformation #1: Natural immunity offers little protection compared to vaccinated immunity
Whoever claimed that? And I mean actually claimed that to be a fact.
Before you even consider that there's a chance that in acquiring natural immunity you have a good chance of ending up in hospital and a small chance of dying.
That's before you even consideer the rest of the article. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:14 - Mar 1 with 4539 views | mangohilljack |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:05 - Mar 1 by Scotia |
Misrepresented rubbish.
Let's juts look at point 1:-
Misinformation #1: Natural immunity offers little protection compared to vaccinated immunity
Whoever claimed that? And I mean actually claimed that to be a fact.
Before you even consider that there's a chance that in acquiring natural immunity you have a good chance of ending up in hospital and a small chance of dying.
That's before you even consideer the rest of the article. |
Look you had your opinion and rightly so (you're entitled to it) but sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say I got it wrong.
Happens to the best of us and there really shouldn't be any shame in it.
In answer to your question I remember very clearly public health officials saying natural immunity offers very little protection.
Is it me or did you type that response far too quickly ? | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:17 - Mar 1 with 4534 views | Scotia |
Point number 2:-
Misinformation #2: Masks prevent Covid transmission
Oh dear. It references a new "Cochran review" I think it means Cochrane review. The review the article refers to isn't even restricted to the transmission of covid. It refers to various respiratory viruses. The first line of the authors conclusion is:-
"The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions."
Think for yourself. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:18 - Mar 1 with 4533 views | Scotia |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:14 - Mar 1 by mangohilljack |
Look you had your opinion and rightly so (you're entitled to it) but sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say I got it wrong.
Happens to the best of us and there really shouldn't be any shame in it.
In answer to your question I remember very clearly public health officials saying natural immunity offers very little protection.
Is it me or did you type that response far too quickly ? |
I don't remember public officials saying that. If they did you should be able to prove it.
Off you go.
In fact the JCVI said:-
"Natural immunity alone provides good levels of protection against severe COVID-19" [Post edited 1 Mar 2023 12:21]
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:30 - Mar 1 with 4519 views | mangohilljack |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:18 - Mar 1 by Scotia |
I don't remember public officials saying that. If they did you should be able to prove it.
Off you go.
In fact the JCVI said:-
"Natural immunity alone provides good levels of protection against severe COVID-19" [Post edited 1 Mar 2023 12:21]
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https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2022/11/17/prior-covid-infections-ma
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:46 - Mar 1 with 4500 views | Scotia |
Apart from the headline it doesn't claim that anywhere in the article, it's also clearly relating to the most recent variant of omicron compared to earlier variants.
Have you read it? Because it goes on to say:-
"Antibody levels after both Moderna booster vaccines (original and bivalent) are higher in people who had previous infection compared to those with no previous infection."
It's also not a public official BTW but a University website. [Post edited 1 Mar 2023 12:49]
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 13:50 - Mar 1 with 4452 views | controversial_jack |
Part of the slur against China. We had the balloons last week.Anyone who believes this needs looking at | | | |
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 16:19 - Mar 1 with 4398 views | felixstowe_jack |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 13:50 - Mar 1 by controversial_jack |
Part of the slur against China. We had the balloons last week.Anyone who believes this needs looking at |
Just wonder if China will ever tell the truth about covoid and how it started.
Undeniable fact in started in China.
The Chinese version it started in some "wet market" is not credible. | |
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 16:37 - Mar 1 with 4385 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 16:19 - Mar 1 by felixstowe_jack |
Just wonder if China will ever tell the truth about covoid and how it started.
Undeniable fact in started in China.
The Chinese version it started in some "wet market" is not credible. |
There are an estimated 50,000 wet markets in China, it just happened to be the one next to the 'gain of function' virus lab. |  |
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 16:50 - Mar 1 with 4382 views | KeithHaynes |
So say yes, others say no. |  |
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:28 - Mar 1 with 4351 views | Scotia |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 16:37 - Mar 1 by JACKMANANDBOY |
There are an estimated 50,000 wet markets in China, it just happened to be the one next to the 'gain of function' virus lab. |
That's the great coincidence isn't it? The timing of this announcement is a bit predictable but I doubt we'll ever be completely certain where it came from. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 22:21 - Mar 1 with 4285 views | controversial_jack |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 16:19 - Mar 1 by felixstowe_jack |
Just wonder if China will ever tell the truth about covoid and how it started.
Undeniable fact in started in China.
The Chinese version it started in some "wet market" is not credible. |
Where it started is irrelevant, it had to start somewhere | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 23:02 - Mar 1 with 4271 views | felixstowe_jack |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 22:21 - Mar 1 by controversial_jack |
Where it started is irrelevant, it had to start somewhere |
It did not have to start anywhere if it was a man made virus. | |
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 23:46 - Mar 1 with 4249 views | max936 |
Cause he probably loves China as much as he loves Russia, it'll be North Korea next, I'm telling you.
I'm sure they'd be very happy to offer him residency in either of them. But then again he doesn't call himself Controversial for nothing, Dear Me 
It'll be the Tower for him if he's not careful,  |  |
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 09:44 - Mar 2 with 4206 views | controversial_jack |
There's no inaccuracy; COVID has been found in sewerage samples in Italy from Sept 2019, Fact! | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 11:55 - Mar 2 with 4184 views | Scotia |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 09:44 - Mar 2 by controversial_jack |
There's no inaccuracy; COVID has been found in sewerage samples in Italy from Sept 2019, Fact! |
No it wasn't. The first confimed case in China was in October 2019, followed by a mass outbreak in December.
It was first confirmed as present in mass surveilance of waste water sample from northern Italy in December 2019 follwed a mass outbreak in February.
A two month lag in both cases.
It came from China, whether from a lab or wet market doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:04 - Mar 2 with 4177 views | swan65split |
There were several of us around here ill around Xmas 2019 and early 2020. it was the worst ive ever been , i di think it was the end, 2 were hospitalised and on oxygen, told they didn't know what it was and put it down as a virus, it was months before I felt ok again, and I never caught , as far as I know Covid, once it was out!
Weren't there students in Swansea from Wuhan? |  | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:52 - Mar 2 with 4162 views | GoldenBear |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 11:55 - Mar 2 by Scotia |
No it wasn't. The first confimed case in China was in October 2019, followed by a mass outbreak in December.
It was first confirmed as present in mass surveilance of waste water sample from northern Italy in December 2019 follwed a mass outbreak in February.
A two month lag in both cases.
It came from China, whether from a lab or wet market doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. |
To be fair to CJ. Myself and Mrs Bear, were on holiday in NW italy September 2019, on the day before we came back, i felt a bit weird, by the time we came back to the UK, i was in a right state. Flu like symptoms, very similar to COVID. i was laid up for over a week, couldn't move out of the chair, coincidence or what. I think i read similar to CJ that it was found in Italy around about the time we were there. |  | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 13:29 - Mar 2 with 4150 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:14 - Mar 1 by mangohilljack |
Look you had your opinion and rightly so (you're entitled to it) but sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say I got it wrong.
Happens to the best of us and there really shouldn't be any shame in it.
In answer to your question I remember very clearly public health officials saying natural immunity offers very little protection.
Is it me or did you type that response far too quickly ? |
Natural immunity and vaccinated immunity will be the same. Vaccines are designed to trigger the same response as the virus would so it doesn’t matter if you’re exposed to the virus or the vaccine the response will be the same.
We’ve known this for hundreds of years. The Chinese were snorting ground up scabs of infected people to inoculate themselves in the 15th century. If those health officials did say that then of course they should have been laughed out of their profession. |  |
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 13:46 - Mar 2 with 4139 views | Scotia |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:52 - Mar 2 by GoldenBear |
To be fair to CJ. Myself and Mrs Bear, were on holiday in NW italy September 2019, on the day before we came back, i felt a bit weird, by the time we came back to the UK, i was in a right state. Flu like symptoms, very similar to COVID. i was laid up for over a week, couldn't move out of the chair, coincidence or what. I think i read similar to CJ that it was found in Italy around about the time we were there. |
There are plenty of similar illnesses. My father has just been hospitalized with Pneumonia and my Mother, Wife and daughter have all been very ill too with similar, but not as severe symptoms. All tested negative for Covid several time and all fully vaccinated.
There is a clear inidcation of a 2, maybe 3 month lag between cases starting and mass infection, hospitalisation and deaths. If the virus had been anywhere earlier it would have been obvious. Not even China could hide the impact it had there when the outbreak started. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 15:38 - Mar 2 with 4118 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 13:29 - Mar 2 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Natural immunity and vaccinated immunity will be the same. Vaccines are designed to trigger the same response as the virus would so it doesn’t matter if you’re exposed to the virus or the vaccine the response will be the same.
We’ve known this for hundreds of years. The Chinese were snorting ground up scabs of infected people to inoculate themselves in the 15th century. If those health officials did say that then of course they should have been laughed out of their profession. |
Perhaps you know less about COVID mRNA vaccines and natural immunity than you think you do.
It was specifically designed to provoke an immune response to the COVID19 Spike Protein and not the whole Virus, because it only contains the spike protein and some nasty chemicals.
They tried it with the whole coronavirus with SARS 1 and never got it past animal testing.
It is just one of the reasons that the mRNA vaccines performed so badly against the Omicron Variant, changes to the spike reduce immunity levels.
Guess what Natural Immunity gives you immunity to and not just for a few months?
Or don't you believe the authorities?
The WHO
"Some variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses with key changes in the spike protein have a reduced susceptibility to neutralization by antibodies in the blood. While neutralizing antibodies mainly target the spike protein, cellular immunity elicited by natural infection also target other viral proteins, which tend to be more conserved across variants than the spike protein."
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-Sci_Brief-Natural_immunity
also
"How long overall protection may last remains unclear, and this may differ depending on the disease severity. For other human coronaviruses (hCoV), hCoV-OC43, hCoV-229E, hCoV-NL63 and hCoV-HKU-1, which cause
the common cold, antibodies last for at least a year after infection with significant inter-human variability, while antibodies to more closely related MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-1, which cause, respectively, middle east respiratory syndrome and severe acute respiratory syndrome, can be detected for years. "
I have already had this discussion about natural immunity and many people already had immunity to COVID19, which is one reason only 712 of the 3711 people on the Diamond Princess caught COVID19 between January 19th and February 18th.
It is also the reason for the millions of asymptomatic cases of COVID. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 16:02 - Mar 2 with 4106 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 15:38 - Mar 2 by A_Fans_Dad |
Perhaps you know less about COVID mRNA vaccines and natural immunity than you think you do.
It was specifically designed to provoke an immune response to the COVID19 Spike Protein and not the whole Virus, because it only contains the spike protein and some nasty chemicals.
They tried it with the whole coronavirus with SARS 1 and never got it past animal testing.
It is just one of the reasons that the mRNA vaccines performed so badly against the Omicron Variant, changes to the spike reduce immunity levels.
Guess what Natural Immunity gives you immunity to and not just for a few months?
Or don't you believe the authorities?
The WHO
"Some variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses with key changes in the spike protein have a reduced susceptibility to neutralization by antibodies in the blood. While neutralizing antibodies mainly target the spike protein, cellular immunity elicited by natural infection also target other viral proteins, which tend to be more conserved across variants than the spike protein."
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-Sci_Brief-Natural_immunity
also
"How long overall protection may last remains unclear, and this may differ depending on the disease severity. For other human coronaviruses (hCoV), hCoV-OC43, hCoV-229E, hCoV-NL63 and hCoV-HKU-1, which cause
the common cold, antibodies last for at least a year after infection with significant inter-human variability, while antibodies to more closely related MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-1, which cause, respectively, middle east respiratory syndrome and severe acute respiratory syndrome, can be detected for years. "
I have already had this discussion about natural immunity and many people already had immunity to COVID19, which is one reason only 712 of the 3711 people on the Diamond Princess caught COVID19 between January 19th and February 18th.
It is also the reason for the millions of asymptomatic cases of COVID. |
No it’s a very simple concept and I understand it perfectly. | |
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