| Mick Beale 19:18 - Oct 15 with 122128 views | Hayesender |
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| Mick Beale on 06:53 - Oct 22 with 4586 views | SimplyNico |
| Mick Beale on 00:35 - Oct 22 by stainrods_elbow |
While I appreciate this apparent masterclass for what it's worth, as most merely monetarist analysis does, it totally overlooks the individual value of MB as (i) a footballing man and (ii) a fit for us. Managers aren't to be valued like for like as merely exchangeable commodities - they're individuals, which is all we are (and those who just want to be sheep).
QPR could, within reason, propose what they wanted in Beale's contract, and he and his agent could negotiate from there. He's a club asset, just like Willock, the Stanley Bowles
Stand we kindly paid for, on Hoos' behalf and Jude the Cat.
Clubs also don't have to let other clubs talk to contracted managers or players, and the lack of muscluature from QPR when all this 'speculation' broke is also regrettable, but of a piece, for me, with our traditional inferiority complex in these things, which has also contributed to the under-valuation of departing players over many years. The Eze sale aside, possibly, the eulogised Hoos and evil Les have done little or nothing to buck this trend in my view.
All's well that ends well, for now, I guess/hope, but Clive is right we can't have this palaver every time a 'bigger' clubs comes calling. I'd like to know how he proposes we head it off, though. [Post edited 22 Oct 2022 0:56]
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What I’m saying with that is that there is nothing really the Club can do. They have taken a punt on a guy who appears to be (a) brilliant and (b) in a hurry to succeed at the highest level. The Club realise that he may well be off if he is (a) brilliant. So they do what they can within the parameters of what is available to them to get some money in the event that he is and others come knocking.
There is also an EI element to dealing with want away employees. In the case of the manager, you have a person who directly influences the way in which the Club plays. What are the Club to do? It is not possible to specifically enforce a contract of employment so that, in this case, a manager operates to a particular standard week in, week out; who is to say if, borrowing from a very well known judge in the 1970s, he coaches the players to, say, defend too high, too deeply or any of the other various manifestations open to football managers and thereby causes the team to drive into a ditch.
The Club can’t control externalities; but it does what it can to get the best out of the situation if there is an approach. It gives him reassurance here at the Club and the opportunity to speak to the possible incoming club. It is then down to the manager. If he sticks, happy days. If he twists, we get some money.
In the meantime, we enjoy the football because the manager is (a) brilliant. |  | | |
| Mick Beale on 17:21 - Oct 25 with 4237 views | switchingcode |
Was on Talkshite lunchtime talking about the Villa situation and his future came across very well not getting ahead of himself dispite being top of the league.Said the target was still above mid table although I bet he’s thinking play offs minimum. | | | |
| Mick Beale on 12:58 - Oct 27 with 3890 views | PinnerPaul |
Interesting that he does NOT have an agent, so maybe, the no direct contact line was true and nothing more than that? | | | |
| Mick Beale on 13:16 - Oct 27 with 3801 views | Welsh_Ranger |
Great article. I made no comment on the speculation partially as I was too scared it could have some truth. All the amateur psychologists coming out and saying ridiculous things about his body language etc etc.
I genuinely think he could be very special for us and is happy at our little club. As has been commented on is he is ambitious but there is no greater way than to leave a legacy at a club by achieving something special. Im not going to mention the P word.
What struck for me in that article is that paragraph about the prem V other European leagues. As most people have commented on here or elsewhere, where is the fun taking over at an Everton or a Southampton and winning just enough games to survive? I think we could probably see him in a European league once he has cut his teeth rather than the Premiershit. | | | |
| Mick Beale on 14:27 - Oct 27 with 3571 views | mikeyhg |
what were the highlights of the article may I ask please? | | | |
| Mick Beale on 16:51 - Oct 27 with 3434 views | hubble |
| Mick Beale on 14:27 - Oct 27 by mikeyhg |
what were the highlights of the article may I ask please? |
Michael Beale exclusive interview: The reason I had to turn down Wolves
Steven Gerrard's former assistant on flying high at QPR, his time in Brazil and wanting to break new ground for British managers
By Thom Gibbs, Senior Sports Writer 27 October 2022 - 2:28pm
Michael Beale at the QPR training ground
Out past Hounslow, underneath the Heathrow flightpath, Queens Park Rangers are building something.
Three excellent pitches are in place at their new training ground, an unlovely building has been half-renovated to house the senior team but the grander structure which will replace it is under construction. Some days it gets so loud the players are dragged to the furthest pitch, so the coaches can make themselves heard.
Their message must be getting through. QPR will re-take top spot in the Championship with a win at Birmingham City on Friday and their over-achievement is being noticed. Last week, Wolves came calling for manager Michael Beale, despite a first-team managerial career of just 14 games.
On the night the story broke, QPR played Cardiff at Loftus Road in an oddly resigned atmosphere as supporters pondered losing their promising manager. On the bench a funny thing happened. Beale realised he was enjoying himself.
Queens Park Rangers manager Michael Beale
Michael Beale: 1My own team excited me. In football that’s utopia' Credit: PA
“My own team excited me. In football that’s utopia for a coach,” he says. “We pressed much harder early in that game because I wanted the fans to know that the players' heads weren't elsewhere.”
Beale is unusually forthcoming about being headhunted by a top flight club. Through his well-tended grapevine he heard Wolves were seeking references for him. Keen to stress he operates without an agent, Beale turned his phone off hours before the Cardiff game, a thumping 3-0 win. Afterwards QPR’s director of football Les Ferdinand told him there had been an official approach.
Wolves’ pursuit played out in public but Beale made up his mind alone in a hotel room during what sounds like a dark night of the soul. “Ultimately I just didn't want the upheaval to the club, to myself or to the people that I’ve asked to come here. The only reasons for leaving QPR right now would be selfish ones around ego, status or finance. And that's not really me.
“It would be a kick in the nuts to the owners if after just three months I was off and leaving. I don't think the project we're building here is stable enough now to have taken that hit.”
Rapid rise at QPR
Beale only arrived in June, which absurdly makes him the Championship’s 10th-longest-serving manager. “I’m delighted people think that much of me after 16 games, but I don't think that much of myself, I've still got a long way to go.”
With that said, he certainly does not lack self-belief. “I feel very, very comfortable at this level. I thought I would but you don't know until you’re in the job.” Is there any worry that an opportunity like Wolves may never come again? “No, because I'm not chasing the Premier League.”
He speaks with total politeness about Wolves and it does sound like a classic case of ‘It’s not you, it’s me’. “The big aim is to manage in the Champions League, probably for a foreign club because no English coach is doing that.
“I know the Premier League's the world's best league but I don't know if managing a lower Premier League team is better than managing an Ajax, a PSV or a Dortmund.”
On one hand this is honourable talk. On the other is Beale’s clear-headed focus on the best route for his career’s inexorable march. “Loyalty is to yourself first, and what you believe in. I don't know if jumping from one club to another is a good look.”
Michael Beale at the QPR training ground
Beale sees his future in Europe rather than at a lower-level Premier League side Credit: Paul Grover for The Telegraph
Perhaps he can realise his dreams in West London? He has built on a talented squad largely assembled by predecessor Mark Warburton and QPR’s head of recruitment Andy Belk. New full-backs Kenneth Paal and Manchester United loanee Ethan Laird have been especially impressive. Any of the inherited trio of Chris Willock, Ilias Chair and goalkeeper Seny Dieng could follow in Ebere Eze’s footsteps as wise buys for Premier League clubs.
Beale has no doubt he could thrive in the top flight. “I know I can work in the Premier League because every single week I turn on the TV, and in every team, there's players that I've coached. So it's not a worry about going there. It's just a matter of when, or if the right opportunity comes.
“I'd love this club to go there. It would be a miracle, considering where we've come from. This year you've got six or seven clubs that are financially way above us, and I'm sure they'll throw money at it come January, but we've got spirit here. And so far so good.”
West London via Sao Paulo
Born in south London, Beale took a peripatetic path into management. Released from Charlton as a youngster, and mildly haunted by the fear he stayed with the club too long, he has said he felt ‘lost’ for three or four months after his contract was not renewed. “It's very dangerous when you are from a council estate. Not everybody's got options. The people that I mixed with growing up, it was a mixed bag if I'm honest.”
Coaching was his route out. First it was futsal in a church hall in Bromley, then Chelsea offered him a part-time youth development job in 2003. He spent 10 years climbing their ladder before moving to Liverpool, again rising through the ranks to Under-23s manager, where he coached Trent Alexander-Arnold. Since Liverpool he has worked as assistant for two famous players, Sao Paulo hero Rogerio Ceni and Steven Gerrard at Rangers then Aston Villa. “Both of them needed me to do a lot for them, in terms of structure and coaching.”
Goalscoring goalkeeper Ceni called weeks after a long chat in Liverpool to offer him a job. “I went over [to Brazil] to politely reject, but when I got there I thought ‘I have to do it.’ I was being offered League One or League Two jobs, now I was being offered the assistant manager of Sao Paulo.”
What were the highlights? “Santos away. It’s Pele’s old stadium. We hadn't won there in seven years, we won 3-1. I used to have a video when I was a kid called Pele, the Master and his Method, and he was at Santos stadium. To go there, for an English coach, was surreal.”
After a brief return to Liverpool he became assistant to Gerrard, with success at Rangers then a promising half-season at Villa. Perhaps not coincidentally, things seemed to unravel after he left. Setting aside his disappointment for Gerrard, a man he has obvious respect for, is there anything reassuring in seeing how the team struggled after his departure? “No, I just wanted them to do well.” Would he work with Gerrard again? “100 per cent.”
It is unclear in what capacity. Currently Beale does not seem to need much help.
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| Mick Beale on 16:52 - Oct 27 with 3433 views | HAYESBOY |
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| Mick Beale on 16:54 - Oct 27 with 3427 views | hubble |
| Mick Beale on 16:52 - Oct 27 by HAYESBOY |
Any chance someone could copy and paste please? Thanks. |
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| Mick Beale on 16:56 - Oct 27 with 3417 views | HAYESBOY |
| Mick Beale on 16:54 - Oct 27 by hubble |
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| Mick Beale on 17:52 - Oct 27 with 3265 views | flynnbo |
Good article-enjoyed reading that. We've got a good'un here. |  | | |
| Mick Beale on 22:06 - Oct 27 with 3068 views | GloryHunter |
"Through his well-tended grapevine he heard Wolves were seeking references for him"
And, "Beale sees his future in Europe rather than at a lower-level Premier League side"
So, if he knew Wolves were asking after him, and he knew he wouldn't be interested in that job, why didn't he come out and say it, rather than keeping us all hanging on? Just saying. |  | | |
| Mick Beale on 22:14 - Oct 27 with 3034 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Mick Beale on 22:06 - Oct 27 by GloryHunter |
"Through his well-tended grapevine he heard Wolves were seeking references for him"
And, "Beale sees his future in Europe rather than at a lower-level Premier League side"
So, if he knew Wolves were asking after him, and he knew he wouldn't be interested in that job, why didn't he come out and say it, rather than keeping us all hanging on? Just saying. |
Probably resulted in Rangers increasing his pay and at the very least, he’s strengthened his position within the club.
January could be very interesting. |  |
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| Mick Beale on 09:12 - Oct 28 with 2791 views | francisbowles |
Thanks Hubble. Interesting article. Not sure how much is glossy spin, although he does have a genuine, clever, thoughtful and sensible image. | | | |
| Mick Beale on 09:37 - Oct 30 with 2270 views | francisbowles |
Why shouldn't he go and meet old friends and watch a game on his day off?
Obviously networking as well but that may involve inquiring on who may be available on loan in January or future players who may be released. | | | |
| Mick Beale on 10:25 - Oct 30 with 2193 views | dmm |
| Mick Beale on 09:37 - Oct 30 by francisbowles |
Why shouldn't he go and meet old friends and watch a game on his day off?
Obviously networking as well but that may involve inquiring on who may be available on loan in January or future players who may be released. |
Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Just thought it a little unusual given the work load he has. |  | | |
| Mick Beale on 10:58 - Oct 30 with 2155 views | francisbowles |
| Mick Beale on 10:25 - Oct 30 by dmm |
Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Just thought it a little unusual given the work load he has. |
Yes I get that but Saturday is football, Sunday is family as a general rule, I think. Lol | | | |
| Mick Beale on 11:07 - Oct 30 with 2124 views | traininvain |
| Mick Beale on 10:25 - Oct 30 by dmm |
Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Just thought it a little unusual given the work load he has. |
Might have been on a scouting mission. I actually think that if he had designs to become Rangers manager he wouldn’t be this blatant about it. |  | | |
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