| New Manager Elect? 21:42 - Aug 27 with 3130 views | Dracan66 |
I’ve been a Swansea fan for 50 years and this season is akin to the lower leagues back in the late 70s. We need a new manager and a new direction, one that’s unconnected to the smoke screen of percentage football stats. There’s nothing wrong in being direct as long as it’s carried out with pace, accuracy and intelligence. Today’s team are by and large bereft of ideas, identity and freedom of thought. We have the historical ability to identify managers that can develop a team into a cohesive force, now is the time to rediscover that formula....the hurdle is the owners that have failed to forge a link to the club, community and its history. |  | | |  |
| New Manager Elect? on 22:24 - Aug 27 with 3006 views | cadleigh |
The problem is our golden age was when Jenkins and Morgan - for all their flaws - called the shots. They hit on four gems - Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup and Potter - and four turkeys - Sousa, Bradley, Guidolin and Clement. I am not going to call the other two because it’ll only take this thread down a rabbit hole.
Birch was a decent football professional, capable of identifying a manager who fitted our needs who was in - relatively - plain sight. But he wasn’t a maverick who came up with out-of-the-box ideas like Bielsa years before any other UK team would go for him.
Winter doesn’t inspire me at all. Sorry.
If we are going to break the mould again, as I agree we need to, maybe we need to bring Jenkins and Martin back into the operation in a more executive role. Assuming that they still have the hunger required. |  |
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| New Manager Elect? on 22:30 - Aug 27 with 2986 views | Whiterockin |
| New Manager Elect? on 22:24 - Aug 27 by cadleigh |
The problem is our golden age was when Jenkins and Morgan - for all their flaws - called the shots. They hit on four gems - Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup and Potter - and four turkeys - Sousa, Bradley, Guidolin and Clement. I am not going to call the other two because it’ll only take this thread down a rabbit hole.
Birch was a decent football professional, capable of identifying a manager who fitted our needs who was in - relatively - plain sight. But he wasn’t a maverick who came up with out-of-the-box ideas like Bielsa years before any other UK team would go for him.
Winter doesn’t inspire me at all. Sorry.
If we are going to break the mould again, as I agree we need to, maybe we need to bring Jenkins and Martin back into the operation in a more executive role. Assuming that they still have the hunger required. |
Good idea, tell them to put back in all the money they took out and we will go from there. |  | | |
| New Manager Elect? on 22:52 - Aug 27 with 2929 views | majorraglan |
| New Manager Elect? on 22:24 - Aug 27 by cadleigh |
The problem is our golden age was when Jenkins and Morgan - for all their flaws - called the shots. They hit on four gems - Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup and Potter - and four turkeys - Sousa, Bradley, Guidolin and Clement. I am not going to call the other two because it’ll only take this thread down a rabbit hole.
Birch was a decent football professional, capable of identifying a manager who fitted our needs who was in - relatively - plain sight. But he wasn’t a maverick who came up with out-of-the-box ideas like Bielsa years before any other UK team would go for him.
Winter doesn’t inspire me at all. Sorry.
If we are going to break the mould again, as I agree we need to, maybe we need to bring Jenkins and Martin back into the operation in a more executive role. Assuming that they still have the hunger required. |
Got to disagree with your assessment of Sousa and Guidolin - they weren’t turkeys.
Sousa built on Martinez footballing ethos, he tightened up the defence and with better strikers could have pushed on. Rodgers was the beneficiary of Sousa’s time in the hot seat.
Guidolin stopped the rot and did a decent job, in my opinion he was moved so that the Swans could develop their commercial profile in the US. If Bradley had turned up trumps, then it would have been a huge coup, but it didn’t work out. | | | |
| New Manager Elect? on 23:04 - Aug 27 with 2876 views | cadleigh |
| New Manager Elect? on 22:52 - Aug 27 by majorraglan |
Got to disagree with your assessment of Sousa and Guidolin - they weren’t turkeys.
Sousa built on Martinez footballing ethos, he tightened up the defence and with better strikers could have pushed on. Rodgers was the beneficiary of Sousa’s time in the hot seat.
Guidolin stopped the rot and did a decent job, in my opinion he was moved so that the Swans could develop their commercial profile in the US. If Bradley had turned up trumps, then it would have been a huge coup, but it didn’t work out. |
Fair comments, and I would love to debate both cases with you at length over a friendly pint some time.
IMO Sousa was not the missing evolutionary link between Martinez’s Cavaliers (brave in attack and and hopeless in defence) and Rodgers’ Roundheads (efficient at both), he was an evolutionary dead-end into an Arsenal shaped cul-de-sac
And Guidolin? He is a master at avoiding relegation. Has little constructive to offer. I know people say he was unlucky that Llorente was not fit in the early part of the season but if you rely on one player to perform in the Premier League, good luck with that. | |
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| New Manager Elect? on 23:26 - Aug 27 with 2832 views | majorraglan |
| New Manager Elect? on 23:04 - Aug 27 by cadleigh |
Fair comments, and I would love to debate both cases with you at length over a friendly pint some time.
IMO Sousa was not the missing evolutionary link between Martinez’s Cavaliers (brave in attack and and hopeless in defence) and Rodgers’ Roundheads (efficient at both), he was an evolutionary dead-end into an Arsenal shaped cul-de-sac
And Guidolin? He is a master at avoiding relegation. Has little constructive to offer. I know people say he was unlucky that Llorente was not fit in the early part of the season but if you rely on one player to perform in the Premier League, good luck with that. |
We’ve both got different takes on things, but I respect your opinion.
Guidolin was an accomplished coach in Italy and delivered numerous teams top half finishes in Serie A. He also coached a number of clubs to promotion from Serie B to Serie A and secured Champions League and UEFA Cup football at a couple of his clubs, he also won the Serie A Coach of the Season award. | | | |
| New Manager Elect? on 23:39 - Aug 27 with 2799 views | KeithHaynes |
| New Manager Elect? on 23:04 - Aug 27 by cadleigh |
Fair comments, and I would love to debate both cases with you at length over a friendly pint some time.
IMO Sousa was not the missing evolutionary link between Martinez’s Cavaliers (brave in attack and and hopeless in defence) and Rodgers’ Roundheads (efficient at both), he was an evolutionary dead-end into an Arsenal shaped cul-de-sac
And Guidolin? He is a master at avoiding relegation. Has little constructive to offer. I know people say he was unlucky that Llorente was not fit in the early part of the season but if you rely on one player to perform in the Premier League, good luck with that. |
Top posting again mate. |  |
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| New Manager Elect? on 00:26 - Aug 28 with 2717 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| New Manager Elect? on 22:30 - Aug 27 by Whiterockin |
Good idea, tell them to put back in all the money they took out and we will go from there. |
They sold their shares and took no money out. The share were theirs and now belong to US people. The shares are piece of paper with index numbers on representing the % ownership of the club and they were transferred. US people bought their shares off them.
The Trust did not transfer their shares to anyone and have no cash. It was their choice. They still own their pieces of paper with index number on.
No one wants to buy them any more. The value of their shares goes up and down. They will be in the money big time if the club gets back to the Premier league. At least double what Jenkins got. That is why Jenkins and Morgans still opt to hold shares.
Mr Morgan has helped to club by sponsoring the stadium. There has been no sponsorship for years. I suspect he will stand down if anyone else wants to take over. This is because he has not sold the club down the river but continued to support it. He also sponsors the team shorts. What a good friend of the club.
The Trust on the other hand did a great thing 20 years ago and then lost its way. They were not prepared for change and resented people moving on after 14 years of total success. They played to the crowd and south Wales Socialist and Sunday school biblical rhetoric.
Selling shares is immoral to them as it is to the Taliban and the mullahs of Iran. Even today with the energy crisis "shareholders" are vilified.
Swansea city never made profit under Jenkins and Morgan and they only paid shareholder dividends once. All money was reinvested in to infrastructure the academy and players. The facilities were light years ahead of Hammam and Tan.
So there you have it. I am sure they would consider buying back the pieces of paper with index number on them at the prevailing market price. Shares values can go up and down.
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| New Manager Elect? on 00:58 - Aug 28 with 2697 views | Badlands |
Rogers and Laudrup built on Sousa's work as much as Martinez'
Roberto changed the style but without the defensive grit Sousa established we would not have progressed. |  |
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| New Manager Elect? on 06:59 - Aug 28 with 2593 views | angryjack |
| New Manager Elect? on 00:58 - Aug 28 by Badlands |
Rogers and Laudrup built on Sousa's work as much as Martinez'
Roberto changed the style but without the defensive grit Sousa established we would not have progressed. |
Sousa never improved our defence,he just made us into a defensive team which is the difference,every one of the players even the forwards and midfielders,first job was defend ,we were boring in possession,our full backs wasn't allowed to pass the half way line and join in attacks,our midfielders were deep and too far away from th forwards,so it wasn't just the defence,it was the whole team that was tight and rigid which turned us into a boring machine | | | |
| New Manager Elect? on 09:40 - Aug 28 with 2447 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| New Manager Elect? on 22:24 - Aug 27 by cadleigh |
The problem is our golden age was when Jenkins and Morgan - for all their flaws - called the shots. They hit on four gems - Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup and Potter - and four turkeys - Sousa, Bradley, Guidolin and Clement. I am not going to call the other two because it’ll only take this thread down a rabbit hole.
Birch was a decent football professional, capable of identifying a manager who fitted our needs who was in - relatively - plain sight. But he wasn’t a maverick who came up with out-of-the-box ideas like Bielsa years before any other UK team would go for him.
Winter doesn’t inspire me at all. Sorry.
If we are going to break the mould again, as I agree we need to, maybe we need to bring Jenkins and Martin back into the operation in a more executive role. Assuming that they still have the hunger required. |
Carvahal , Bradley and Clement were certainly turkeys. Sousa and Guidolin? Massive misjudgment there sorry |  |
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| New Manager Elect? on 10:06 - Aug 28 with 2409 views | cadleigh |
| New Manager Elect? on 09:40 - Aug 28 by Brynmill_Jack |
Carvahal , Bradley and Clement were certainly turkeys. Sousa and Guidolin? Massive misjudgment there sorry |
Happy to debate who was a gem and who was a turkey another time - but it sounds like we agree there was a mix of both when Jenkins and Morgan were picking them, with more good ones than bad, and the good ones stayed longer.
We need to get back to that. And I can't see it happening as long as Julian Winter is both chair and chief executive. | |
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| New Manager Elect? on 10:14 - Aug 28 with 2381 views | onehunglow |
| New Manager Elect? on 10:06 - Aug 28 by cadleigh |
Happy to debate who was a gem and who was a turkey another time - but it sounds like we agree there was a mix of both when Jenkins and Morgan were picking them, with more good ones than bad, and the good ones stayed longer.
We need to get back to that. And I can't see it happening as long as Julian Winter is both chair and chief executive. |
Morning Cad
Thinking back is not always healthy but we all do so.
Right now,Martin is far and away the worst we have ever had.Its probably an over-reaction but he has precided over the biggest slump for many years not just results but the way fans expectations have been manipulated. It turns my stomach. Fans are starting to walk away and the spirit is being eroded.
Stoke next .Away. | |
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| New Manager Elect? on 12:48 - Aug 28 with 2275 views | GVJack |
| New Manager Elect? on 22:52 - Aug 27 by majorraglan |
Got to disagree with your assessment of Sousa and Guidolin - they weren’t turkeys.
Sousa built on Martinez footballing ethos, he tightened up the defence and with better strikers could have pushed on. Rodgers was the beneficiary of Sousa’s time in the hot seat.
Guidolin stopped the rot and did a decent job, in my opinion he was moved so that the Swans could develop their commercial profile in the US. If Bradley had turned up trumps, then it would have been a huge coup, but it didn’t work out. |
100% agree with your assessment of Sousa. It was boring football, but we were hard to beat, Rodgers certainly benefitted from the improvements made in defence from his reign. | | | |
| New Manager Elect? on 12:59 - Aug 28 with 2248 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| New Manager Elect? on 10:06 - Aug 28 by cadleigh |
Happy to debate who was a gem and who was a turkey another time - but it sounds like we agree there was a mix of both when Jenkins and Morgan were picking them, with more good ones than bad, and the good ones stayed longer.
We need to get back to that. And I can't see it happening as long as Julian Winter is both chair and chief executive. |
Totally agree on Winter! | |
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| New Manager Elect? on 14:09 - Aug 28 with 2203 views | raynor94 |
I'd offer Mowbray the job |  |
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| New Manager Elect? on 14:14 - Aug 28 with 2198 views | JackDragon |
| New Manager Elect? on 14:09 - Aug 28 by raynor94 |
I'd offer Mowbray the job |
He's off to Sunderland by all reports. STID | | | |
| New Manager Elect? on 14:39 - Aug 28 with 2176 views | sw02sea |
Loose to Stoke and QPR, and the journo’s will start using the dreaded word that normally means the end is nigh …….UNTENABLE !
Whether your still a believer in this emperor’s new clothes of a manager, or not, I’d prefer no manager for a short while, than this death by a thousand cuts by a totally delusional guy, that has no track record of being a successful football manager, who did what he’s very good at….talking utter bollocks to get the job in the first place
And now reality has set in with the players, who now realise the manager is in fact, totally naked. | | | |
| New Manager Elect? on 14:46 - Aug 28 with 2158 views | onehunglow |
| New Manager Elect? on 14:39 - Aug 28 by sw02sea |
Loose to Stoke and QPR, and the journo’s will start using the dreaded word that normally means the end is nigh …….UNTENABLE !
Whether your still a believer in this emperor’s new clothes of a manager, or not, I’d prefer no manager for a short while, than this death by a thousand cuts by a totally delusional guy, that has no track record of being a successful football manager, who did what he’s very good at….talking utter bollocks to get the job in the first place
And now reality has set in with the players, who now realise the manager is in fact, totally naked. |
Ive said this previously,I make no apologies for repeating I believe Martin is toxic to the club and is damaging grass roots fans as is obvious on here. Fans are shattered by it all. It is ,I accept,barely believable we were premier league not that long ago and tipped to return. Indeed our owners aid their aim was to return.
We have been lied to and it hurts.
Frankly, no manager would be better . | |
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| New Manager Elect? on 15:21 - Aug 28 with 2139 views | Badlands |
| New Manager Elect? on 06:59 - Aug 28 by angryjack |
Sousa never improved our defence,he just made us into a defensive team which is the difference,every one of the players even the forwards and midfielders,first job was defend ,we were boring in possession,our full backs wasn't allowed to pass the half way line and join in attacks,our midfielders were deep and too far away from th forwards,so it wasn't just the defence,it was the whole team that was tight and rigid which turned us into a boring machine |
Dear god, what a load of crud.
Under Roberto every corner was an occurrence to hide your gaze.
What attacking players of any worth did Sousa get? Injury prone and clapped out.
50 conceded under Marines, 37 under Sousa.
Monk thought he was king 💩but was taught how to defend by the the Portuguese … why do you think tere was so much animosity? And why did Monk and chums blow the final 11 games?
In his book, Monk said: “I’m glad we didn’t get into the play-offs with Paulo, as he did not deserve to be the one to take us to the Premiership.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/paulo-sousa/profil/trainer/8369
I would go so far as to say he'd sort out our current defensive frailties in a flash. [Post edited 28 Aug 2022 15:22]
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| New Manager Elect? on 16:24 - Aug 28 with 2075 views | Kilkennyjack |
| New Manager Elect? on 22:30 - Aug 27 by Whiterockin |
Good idea, tell them to put back in all the money they took out and we will go from there. |
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| New Manager Elect? on 19:46 - Aug 28 with 1960 views | raynor94 |
How about Stevie G, he'll be available soonðŸ˜‰âš½ï¸ | |
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| New Manager Elect? on 02:41 - Aug 29 with 1826 views | DJack |
| New Manager Elect? on 06:59 - Aug 28 by angryjack |
Sousa never improved our defence,he just made us into a defensive team which is the difference,every one of the players even the forwards and midfielders,first job was defend ,we were boring in possession,our full backs wasn't allowed to pass the half way line and join in attacks,our midfielders were deep and too far away from th forwards,so it wasn't just the defence,it was the whole team that was tight and rigid which turned us into a boring machine |
WOW, Just WOW.
Have you ever heard of the word "CONTEXT". Is "Angryjack" Sanskrit for "Risiblejack"?
When Martinez left us he emasculated the club so Sousa did the best patch repair that I've ever seen...It was the MOST BORING repair that I've seen but it worked. Your post has an element of truth but absolutely no understanding of the reality and i'm a little embarrassed for Keith and his upvoting of you. |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| New Manager Elect? on 07:42 - Aug 29 with 1776 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| New Manager Elect? on 02:41 - Aug 29 by DJack |
WOW, Just WOW.
Have you ever heard of the word "CONTEXT". Is "Angryjack" Sanskrit for "Risiblejack"?
When Martinez left us he emasculated the club so Sousa did the best patch repair that I've ever seen...It was the MOST BORING repair that I've seen but it worked. Your post has an element of truth but absolutely no understanding of the reality and i'm a little embarrassed for Keith and his upvoting of you. |
And we finished one place higher if I’m correct?? No Jason Scotland and no money for a striker. We scored very few goals that season. He had a very difficult job and it was well done as Leicester City realised. | |
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| New Manager Elect? on 12:08 - Aug 29 with 1696 views | whiterock |
| New Manager Elect? on 00:26 - Aug 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
They sold their shares and took no money out. The share were theirs and now belong to US people. The shares are piece of paper with index numbers on representing the % ownership of the club and they were transferred. US people bought their shares off them.
The Trust did not transfer their shares to anyone and have no cash. It was their choice. They still own their pieces of paper with index number on.
No one wants to buy them any more. The value of their shares goes up and down. They will be in the money big time if the club gets back to the Premier league. At least double what Jenkins got. That is why Jenkins and Morgans still opt to hold shares.
Mr Morgan has helped to club by sponsoring the stadium. There has been no sponsorship for years. I suspect he will stand down if anyone else wants to take over. This is because he has not sold the club down the river but continued to support it. He also sponsors the team shorts. What a good friend of the club.
The Trust on the other hand did a great thing 20 years ago and then lost its way. They were not prepared for change and resented people moving on after 14 years of total success. They played to the crowd and south Wales Socialist and Sunday school biblical rhetoric.
Selling shares is immoral to them as it is to the Taliban and the mullahs of Iran. Even today with the energy crisis "shareholders" are vilified.
Swansea city never made profit under Jenkins and Morgan and they only paid shareholder dividends once. All money was reinvested in to infrastructure the academy and players. The facilities were light years ahead of Hammam and Tan.
So there you have it. I am sure they would consider buying back the pieces of paper with index number on them at the prevailing market price. Shares values can go up and down.
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They club paid dividends 4 times | | | |
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