| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game 14:38 - Sep 12 with 8273 views | QPR_Pro_Max |
The team lacked ambition and desire to attack after scoring the first goal. Otherwise, 3 points in the pocket and go top of the table. Nevertheless, thanks for the effort of Adomah.
Based on the performance of the players, 4-4-2 will be a better formation for the Bournemouth game.
Dieng: 3 goals conceded for 4 shots on target;
Wingbacks: lacked moving forward and crosses, Odubajo even at fault for the first goal conceded;
Dunne: might be better in the defence of 2 CBs?
Chair: needs recharge after international duty;
Austin: unfit and immobile
Start with 4-4-2:
Archer
Kaykay, Dickie, Dunne, Barbet
Adomah, Ball, Johansen, Willock
Gray, Dykes
For substitution or change of tactics, bring in Chair to replace one of the strikers to revert to 3-4-2-1 |  | | |  |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 18:54 - Sep 12 with 1887 views | kensalriser |
How often do you see 442 these days? About as much chance of Warburton switching to that formation as there is of paying in pounds shillings and pence on the turnstiles next Saturday. |  |
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| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 18:57 - Sep 12 with 1887 views | Northernr |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 18:52 - Sep 12 by qpr_1968 |
4-4-2 makes sense. |
Except that we don't have the right back for it, the left back for it, you have to leave out two of our very good centre backs to do it, the four doesn't suit Barbet as well as the three, you have to play one of Willock or Chair out of position on the left wing or leave them one of them out, the only team that's won more than us since we switched to a three is Man City, we haven't lost a game at all in the current system for 130-odd days now. Apart from Austin it's difficult to understand who this does benefit. And it won't happen, because the manager has never played it in his entire career. The recruitment over the last five or six windows has been geared entirely to a 4-2-3-1 or wing back system, there'd be square pegs in round holes all over the show. The whole suggestion is so absurd I can only surmise this whole thread if a fcking wind up. |  | | |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:02 - Sep 12 with 1865 views | qpr_1968 |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 18:54 - Sep 12 by kensalriser |
How often do you see 442 these days? About as much chance of Warburton switching to that formation as there is of paying in pounds shillings and pence on the turnstiles next Saturday. |
just try it.
probably why we keep leaking goals. | |
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| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:06 - Sep 12 with 1853 views | qpr_1968 |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 18:57 - Sep 12 by Northernr |
Except that we don't have the right back for it, the left back for it, you have to leave out two of our very good centre backs to do it, the four doesn't suit Barbet as well as the three, you have to play one of Willock or Chair out of position on the left wing or leave them one of them out, the only team that's won more than us since we switched to a three is Man City, we haven't lost a game at all in the current system for 130-odd days now. Apart from Austin it's difficult to understand who this does benefit. And it won't happen, because the manager has never played it in his entire career. The recruitment over the last five or six windows has been geared entirely to a 4-2-3-1 or wing back system, there'd be square pegs in round holes all over the show. The whole suggestion is so absurd I can only surmise this whole thread if a fcking wind up. |
re arrange the players, its not rocket science.
i'm sure this squad is capable of handling it.
warbs plan b. | |
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| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:07 - Sep 12 with 1844 views | Jeff |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:06 - Sep 12 by qpr_1968 |
re arrange the players, its not rocket science.
i'm sure this squad is capable of handling it.
warbs plan b. |
What's wrong with the current plan A? |  |
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| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:07 - Sep 12 with 1843 views | daveB |
Thankfully Warburton will stick with what has worked so far, there is room for improvement of course but switching to 4-4-2 and dropping 6 players would be an insane reaction to what was a brilliant comeback at the weekend especially when we are up against a good and much stronger side |  | | |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:13 - Sep 12 with 1833 views | qpr_1968 |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:07 - Sep 12 by Jeff |
What's wrong with the current plan A? |
prefere a back four thats all mate.
goals are coming from everyone this season.
tighten up the defence and they will still come..
we leak too many.
perhaps my standards are too high. | |
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| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:16 - Sep 12 with 1827 views | Northernr |
Have I dreamt the last six months? | | | |
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| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:18 - Sep 12 with 1815 views | daveB |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:13 - Sep 12 by qpr_1968 |
prefere a back four thats all mate.
goals are coming from everyone this season.
tighten up the defence and they will still come..
we leak too many.
perhaps my standards are too high. |
Do you remember how we looked with a back 4 last season? Barbet is a very different player for us in a 3, was a liability in a 4 | | | |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:19 - Sep 12 with 1814 views | qpr_1968 |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:16 - Sep 12 by Northernr |
Have I dreamt the last six months? |
the last 6 months have been great. | |
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| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:20 - Sep 12 with 1805 views | gazza1 |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 18:54 - Sep 12 by kensalriser |
How often do you see 442 these days? About as much chance of Warburton switching to that formation as there is of paying in pounds shillings and pence on the turnstiles next Saturday. |
We played 4/4/2 yesterday when MW made the substitutions......not that I am a 4/4/2 person. | | | |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:24 - Sep 12 with 1793 views | Northernr |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:20 - Sep 12 by gazza1 |
We played 4/4/2 yesterday when MW made the substitutions......not that I am a 4/4/2 person. |
Not according to the manager we didn’t, ran through the systems we used in his post match interview. | | | |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:24 - Sep 12 with 1793 views | daveB |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:20 - Sep 12 by gazza1 |
We played 4/4/2 yesterday when MW made the substitutions......not that I am a 4/4/2 person. |
think it was more 4-2-3-1 but hard to tell on the stream | | | |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:37 - Sep 12 with 1769 views | ParkRoyalR |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:24 - Sep 12 by daveB |
think it was more 4-2-3-1 but hard to tell on the stream |
4-3-3 according to Warbs with Thomas-Johnasen-Chair in midfield. | | | |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:42 - Sep 12 with 1744 views | LazyFan |
A mere guess with no ITK at all but I would guess ...
Dykes will be back in the next game.
Chair was not his normal high energy self on Saturday and needs a rest. Probably more to down to all the flying in planes than actual games, but it takes its toll.
Thus Warbs may drop Chair for Gray. |  |
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| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:43 - Sep 12 with 1756 views | derbyhoop |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 18:52 - Sep 12 by qpr_1968 |
4-4-2 makes sense. |
4-4-2 made sense.
In 1966! |  |
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| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 20:00 - Sep 12 with 1727 views | dmm |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:43 - Sep 12 by derbyhoop |
4-4-2 made sense.
In 1966! |
No, no, no. We stick to the WM formation. None of this new fangled stuff. |  | | |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 20:09 - Sep 12 with 1705 views | gazza1 |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 19:24 - Sep 12 by Northernr |
Not according to the manager we didn’t, ran through the systems we used in his post match interview. |
No sorry I meant or should have said we played 4 across the back.......not 4/4/2.
Further forward we was 'tally ho' as far as I am concerned - get bodies into postive positions.
It worked whatever he done!!! [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 20:10]
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| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 20:40 - Sep 12 with 1651 views | WestonsuperR |
I can’t take the original post seriously but my input for the Bournemouth match is to only switch Austin for Dykes or Gray. |  | | |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 00:56 - Sep 13 with 1453 views | stainrods_elbow |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 18:57 - Sep 12 by Northernr |
Except that we don't have the right back for it, the left back for it, you have to leave out two of our very good centre backs to do it, the four doesn't suit Barbet as well as the three, you have to play one of Willock or Chair out of position on the left wing or leave them one of them out, the only team that's won more than us since we switched to a three is Man City, we haven't lost a game at all in the current system for 130-odd days now. Apart from Austin it's difficult to understand who this does benefit. And it won't happen, because the manager has never played it in his entire career. The recruitment over the last five or six windows has been geared entirely to a 4-2-3-1 or wing back system, there'd be square pegs in round holes all over the show. The whole suggestion is so absurd I can only surmise this whole thread if a fcking wind up. |
Some fair points, some more contestable, I think, not least because, of those 130 days, I don't think we were playing any EFL football for about 90 of them, unless I'm missing something. Makes no sense to drop Dieng, who wasn't at fault for any of the three Reading goals, for sure. I'm ambivalent about giving Chair a rest on Tuesday, I think, though agree he's not really effective as a wide man, albeit he sometimes likes to cut in from the left channel - I see his ideal role as an Adel-like floating/buzzing/stinging '1' in a 3-4-1-2. Willock is a winger (as his own Wikipedia page attests) cum inside left/attacking midfielder, though he can do damage on either side, as we saw with that fabulous late cutback for our equaliser. (Was it in or out? I've tried to freeze-frame it, but can't be sure.) Dunne may well be rumbling in the Warbler's mind, given our vulnerability in the middle of defence, and if Wallace is available he should certainly be considered ,which may have a bearing. Moses has some fine attacking qualities, but he's scarily caught out of position too often for me (whatever position he's in).
My main thought is that I still really want to think about how we can accommodate Albert in a starting berth, i.e. begin the game against Bournemouth how we ended it against the Fakes. We need our system to work the other way round, I think - rather than starting slowly and hoping to grow into the game or, worse, end up chasing it as we've found ourselves doing against Millwall, Barnsley and Reading, and to some degree arguably at Middlesborough (which clearly signal its limitations and/or issues), I think we need to start more adventurously by attacking them down the flanks, getting good service into Charlie, Lyndon and/or Andre, see if we can go a goal or two up, and then shore things up on 60/70m if needed. It's a big positive we're scoring goals all over the park, but supply into our main striker has been notably sparse for a while now. For me, therefore, we need to show more often we can go as direct as we did, belatedly, for Gray's goal, so that the likes of Austin don't keep feeding on disheartening scraps and getting subbed off for their trouble. [Post edited 13 Sep 2021 1:09]
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| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 06:25 - Sep 13 with 1367 views | ParkRoyalR |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 00:56 - Sep 13 by stainrods_elbow |
Some fair points, some more contestable, I think, not least because, of those 130 days, I don't think we were playing any EFL football for about 90 of them, unless I'm missing something. Makes no sense to drop Dieng, who wasn't at fault for any of the three Reading goals, for sure. I'm ambivalent about giving Chair a rest on Tuesday, I think, though agree he's not really effective as a wide man, albeit he sometimes likes to cut in from the left channel - I see his ideal role as an Adel-like floating/buzzing/stinging '1' in a 3-4-1-2. Willock is a winger (as his own Wikipedia page attests) cum inside left/attacking midfielder, though he can do damage on either side, as we saw with that fabulous late cutback for our equaliser. (Was it in or out? I've tried to freeze-frame it, but can't be sure.) Dunne may well be rumbling in the Warbler's mind, given our vulnerability in the middle of defence, and if Wallace is available he should certainly be considered ,which may have a bearing. Moses has some fine attacking qualities, but he's scarily caught out of position too often for me (whatever position he's in).
My main thought is that I still really want to think about how we can accommodate Albert in a starting berth, i.e. begin the game against Bournemouth how we ended it against the Fakes. We need our system to work the other way round, I think - rather than starting slowly and hoping to grow into the game or, worse, end up chasing it as we've found ourselves doing against Millwall, Barnsley and Reading, and to some degree arguably at Middlesborough (which clearly signal its limitations and/or issues), I think we need to start more adventurously by attacking them down the flanks, getting good service into Charlie, Lyndon and/or Andre, see if we can go a goal or two up, and then shore things up on 60/70m if needed. It's a big positive we're scoring goals all over the park, but supply into our main striker has been notably sparse for a while now. For me, therefore, we need to show more often we can go as direct as we did, belatedly, for Gray's goal, so that the likes of Austin don't keep feeding on disheartening scraps and getting subbed off for their trouble. [Post edited 13 Sep 2021 1:09]
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Some very good points, I agree with all, although I think I'd stick with McCallum as rate him and can counter Bournemouth's pacy attack which could target Wallace down his flank - Wallace, like Austin, is a great option off the bench in last half-hour when defences tire and gaps open up. Dykes should start up top with Willock with Chair as the 1 behind as you say. | | | |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 06:49 - Sep 13 with 1359 views | nix |
I'm not sure about starting Uncs as a fullback against Bournemouth. He doesn't have the pace against quick forwards and he works better against tiring defenders, I think that's why Warbs brings him in late.
And then fitting him in at the beginning might be risky in a 433 against a team who might overwhelm us in midfield and down the flanks.
I don't have the technical knowledge to know what the best approach is and the best balance we need to start. I totally agree we need to be more on the front foot in games though. How to manage this while not being overly open ourselves is a good question. Hopefully having more pace in Gray might help. Teams have been getting away with doubling up on (or just fouling) Willock. It would be hard to do that as well as snuff out the threat of Gray and the physicality of Dykes as well. I'm not sure whether Dykes and Gray would work as a two up front though?
Hopefully Warbs will find a solution for Tuesday. Can't wait! |  | | |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 07:27 - Sep 13 with 1315 views | stevec |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 18:57 - Sep 12 by Northernr |
Except that we don't have the right back for it, the left back for it, you have to leave out two of our very good centre backs to do it, the four doesn't suit Barbet as well as the three, you have to play one of Willock or Chair out of position on the left wing or leave them one of them out, the only team that's won more than us since we switched to a three is Man City, we haven't lost a game at all in the current system for 130-odd days now. Apart from Austin it's difficult to understand who this does benefit. And it won't happen, because the manager has never played it in his entire career. The recruitment over the last five or six windows has been geared entirely to a 4-2-3-1 or wing back system, there'd be square pegs in round holes all over the show. The whole suggestion is so absurd I can only surmise this whole thread if a fcking wind up. |
But apart from that? |  | | |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 11:22 - Sep 13 with 1190 views | TW_R |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 18:57 - Sep 12 by Northernr |
Except that we don't have the right back for it, the left back for it, you have to leave out two of our very good centre backs to do it, the four doesn't suit Barbet as well as the three, you have to play one of Willock or Chair out of position on the left wing or leave them one of them out, the only team that's won more than us since we switched to a three is Man City, we haven't lost a game at all in the current system for 130-odd days now. Apart from Austin it's difficult to understand who this does benefit. And it won't happen, because the manager has never played it in his entire career. The recruitment over the last five or six windows has been geared entirely to a 4-2-3-1 or wing back system, there'd be square pegs in round holes all over the show. The whole suggestion is so absurd I can only surmise this whole thread if a fcking wind up. |
But other than that, what have the Romans ever done for us?
There are some seriously ludicrous comments on here. Unbeaten all season, averaging 2 points per game, 2 wins and a draw away scoring 9 goals, 4th in the league, 2 points behind West Brom. The obvious thing to do would be change the formation and drop one of our best players and replace him with a keeper that is decidedly average!
I really do despair sometimes! |  | | |
| 4-4-2 for Bournemouth game on 12:34 - Sep 13 with 1135 views | kensalriser |
On reflection I think we should go for the formation I first played as a primary school boy in the early 70s: 2-3-5.
Now, 2-3-5 was already as outdated then as 4-4-2 is now but the headmaster, who also took games, was a man yet to acknowledge the 1960s, never mind the 70s. So we had two at the back (full backs), the centre half was in midfield flanked by the left and right halves and up front you had a centre forward, inside right/left and outside right/left (wingers).
Dieng
De Wijs Barbet
Dickie Johansen ?
Adomah Willock Austin Chair McCallum
Not sure about the left half and outside left positions though. Does McCallum fit in either? And if so, who takes the remaining slot? | |
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