| iFollow income, is this how it works? 12:45 - Nov 13 with 3955 views | A_Newby |
I have a question about the income from iFollow away matches. I have used two examples and what I understand to be the case.
Example 1.
Local away derby: North West FC vs Rochdale.
Over previous seasons average away match attendance at North West FC is 1,000 Rochdale fans.
Actual number of £10 iFollow passes for away match against North West FC purchased by Rochdale fans on club website is 800 giving an income of £8,000
As the number of iFollow passes purchased on the Rochdale website is less than the usual average away following then all the income goes to the home club, North West FC. Rochdale receive none.
Example 2.
Away match : Down South FC vs Rochdale.
Over previous seasons average away match attendance at Down South FC is 200 Rochdale fans.
Actual number of £10 iFollow passes for away match against Down South FC purchased by Rochdale fans on club website is 800 giving an income of £8,000
As the number of iFollow passes now exceeds the usual away attendance the home club receive £2,000 (200 X £10) and Rochdale F.C. receive the balance of £6,000 (600 X £10).
Is my understanding correct? Are Rochdale more likely to receive a higher away income from distant matches which usually have a low away dale fan following? [Post edited 13 Nov 2020 13:37]
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 12:48 - Nov 13 with 3949 views | judd |
Once it goes above the agreed away attendance figure that has been set by the clubs.
There were some actual figures posted on here from Accrington a couple of weeks ago. |  |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 12:50 - Nov 13 with 3945 views | boromat |
That's exactly the way I understand it but the actual attendance figure has to be agreed between the clubs. If this can't be agreed in time it goes to the EFL to set the figure. This is the case for League 1. League 2 doesn't work the same way. |  |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 12:54 - Nov 13 with 3935 views | judd |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 13:42 - Nov 13 with 3867 views | A_Newby |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 12:50 - Nov 13 by boromat |
That's exactly the way I understand it but the actual attendance figure has to be agreed between the clubs. If this can't be agreed in time it goes to the EFL to set the figure. This is the case for League 1. League 2 doesn't work the same way. |
Thanks, I will purchase iFollow passes for Plymouth, Portsmouth and Bristol, matches I would never be likely to attend in person. Hopefully if others do likewise the club will get some much needed income. | | | |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 14:26 - Nov 13 with 3813 views | 100notout |
Surely it won't be the same as the average away attendance?
There will be a fair % of away fans from the same household or even different households where one buys an ifollow pass and invites all his (or her!) mates around. So the question is what % is a reasonable figure 50%? | |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 15:57 - Nov 13 with 3731 views | TVOS1907 |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 14:26 - Nov 13 by 100notout |
Surely it won't be the same as the average away attendance?
There will be a fair % of away fans from the same household or even different households where one buys an ifollow pass and invites all his (or her!) mates around. So the question is what % is a reasonable figure 50%? |
It isn't the average away attendance.
It's what the club expect to take to an away ground based on previous visits.
Obviously a lot of other factors can affect that (like us taking over 1,000 to Torquay in 2010), but that seems to be the starting point for the estimations. |  |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 07:26 - Nov 28 with 3350 views | James1980 |
Was just thinking being able to purchase multiple IFollow pass codes, at a discount to use like carnet tickets might be good, but that would even more unfair to those that purchased a main stand season ticket. | |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 09:46 - Nov 28 with 3277 views | AtThePeake |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 07:26 - Nov 28 by James1980 |
Was just thinking being able to purchase multiple IFollow pass codes, at a discount to use like carnet tickets might be good, but that would even more unfair to those that purchased a main stand season ticket. |
The club have said it's not possible to offer discounts on ifollow prices as that was one of the incentives to buy a Dale Family Card but iFollow don't allow it. They can offer free codes though, like they did for the Pompey game, so I suppose they could do some sort of loyalty deal - pay for 5 and get a free code for the sixth? Might be tricky to execute though. |  |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 10:02 - Nov 28 with 3266 views | James1980 |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 09:46 - Nov 28 by AtThePeake |
The club have said it's not possible to offer discounts on ifollow prices as that was one of the incentives to buy a Dale Family Card but iFollow don't allow it. They can offer free codes though, like they did for the Pompey game, so I suppose they could do some sort of loyalty deal - pay for 5 and get a free code for the sixth? Might be tricky to execute though. |
What was the discount offered to DFRC holders? Were the club going to fund the reduction or were they hoping for an arrangement with Ifollow, I wonder. | |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 10:15 - Nov 28 with 3258 views | Dalenet |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 07:26 - Nov 28 by James1980 |
Was just thinking being able to purchase multiple IFollow pass codes, at a discount to use like carnet tickets might be good, but that would even more unfair to those that purchased a main stand season ticket. |
I think it would be a good idea to encourage away fans to buy - but no idea whether that would be technically possible as we effectively buy for the away club and only retain the fees once the volume threshold is met. With many SC holders already getting home games for no additional cost it might be a good incentive. A Christmas present idea - next 6 away games for £50 all wrapped in a digital ribbon | | | |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 10:35 - Nov 28 with 3238 views | James1980 |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 10:15 - Nov 28 by Dalenet |
I think it would be a good idea to encourage away fans to buy - but no idea whether that would be technically possible as we effectively buy for the away club and only retain the fees once the volume threshold is met. With many SC holders already getting home games for no additional cost it might be a good incentive. A Christmas present idea - next 6 away games for £50 all wrapped in a digital ribbon |
Thinking about it the pass is good value when compared to what it costs to attend a match in person. I know it is really not the same but it is better than nothing and provides valuable revenue to the club.
I would say the best way to encourage match pass sales would be to improve the product on the pitch. Hopefully the second half against Northampton will provide some of that encouragement. | |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 13:22 - Nov 28 with 3185 views | D_Alien |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 10:35 - Nov 28 by James1980 |
Thinking about it the pass is good value when compared to what it costs to attend a match in person. I know it is really not the same but it is better than nothing and provides valuable revenue to the club.
I would say the best way to encourage match pass sales would be to improve the product on the pitch. Hopefully the second half against Northampton will provide some of that encouragement. |
"I would say the best way to encourage match pass sales would be to improve the product on the pitch."
Spot on James. It's different buying an iFollow pass to going to watch live. Almost whatever our form and style of play, i'd be at the COA since one of the ways of supporting is to encourage when confidence is low but also to make known our disapproval of certain aspects of the game, in addition to the social side of the experience. Can't do that on the internet although during games, this messageboard can be quite amusing at times!
I've found that after watching a few games it became beyond bearable as a non-participant, but if our play evolves that will change
To answer your earlier question, one of the benefits of the Rewards Card was free match pass(es). One was given for the Portsmouth fixture, and at £10 off a £25 Card i'm not particularly expecting any further free passes, or one more at the most
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 15:11 - Nov 28 with 3123 views | James1980 |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 13:22 - Nov 28 by D_Alien |
"I would say the best way to encourage match pass sales would be to improve the product on the pitch."
Spot on James. It's different buying an iFollow pass to going to watch live. Almost whatever our form and style of play, i'd be at the COA since one of the ways of supporting is to encourage when confidence is low but also to make known our disapproval of certain aspects of the game, in addition to the social side of the experience. Can't do that on the internet although during games, this messageboard can be quite amusing at times!
I've found that after watching a few games it became beyond bearable as a non-participant, but if our play evolves that will change
To answer your earlier question, one of the benefits of the Rewards Card was free match pass(es). One was given for the Portsmouth fixture, and at £10 off a £25 Card i'm not particularly expecting any further free passes, or one more at the most
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Thank you for the info re the Rewards Card. Regarding home games, how much profit do the club make on an match pass purchased for individual games? Maybe the club could forgo a small amount of that profit to allow DRFC holders like yourself to buy match passes at reduced rates | |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 16:06 - Nov 28 with 3071 views | D_Alien |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 15:11 - Nov 28 by James1980 |
Thank you for the info re the Rewards Card. Regarding home games, how much profit do the club make on an match pass purchased for individual games? Maybe the club could forgo a small amount of that profit to allow DRFC holders like yourself to buy match passes at reduced rates |
I think for many the issue is watchability. I'd happily hand over a tenner to help the club but it'd be an act of masochism at the moment. (I could torment myself less by paying for the pass then not watching!!  )
So, a reduced rate wouldn't make any difference, although it might for some if it were possible | |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 16:28 - Nov 28 with 3052 views | James1980 |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 16:06 - Nov 28 by D_Alien |
I think for many the issue is watchability. I'd happily hand over a tenner to help the club but it'd be an act of masochism at the moment. (I could torment myself less by paying for the pass then not watching!! )
So, a reduced rate wouldn't make any difference, although it might for some if it were possible |
Sounds as if you don't believe there wouldn't be enough passes bought to make up for any discount the way the team is currently playing. Hopefully the turnaround starts on Tuesday night | |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 16:47 - Nov 28 with 3043 views | D_Alien |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 16:28 - Nov 28 by James1980 |
Sounds as if you don't believe there wouldn't be enough passes bought to make up for any discount the way the team is currently playing. Hopefully the turnaround starts on Tuesday night |
You never know James, our away form may be better due to the onus on the home team to take the game to us. I remain optimistic, as ever, that there won't be too many passes on the pitch... | |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 16:56 - Dec 1 with 2830 views | DaleiLama |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 16:24 - Dec 1 by 100notout |
Not sure how many we normally sell but a good opportunity to generate income for the club.
Are they doing a HT draw? |
Chur doing a pre-match (rubs eyes with astonishment)
4 (four) camera coverage
Don't think there is a HT draw for (a) fixtures but tickets for the Christmas draw still available
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 17:31 - Dec 1 with 2798 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
A word of thanks and appreciation here to my ex-neighbour John Smallwood......he is the guy who negotiates these limits for and behalf of Club.......well done. | | | |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 17:57 - Dec 1 with 2769 views | TVOS1907 |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 17:31 - Dec 1 by Yorkshire_Dale |
A word of thanks and appreciation here to my ex-neighbour John Smallwood......he is the guy who negotiates these limits for and behalf of Club.......well done. |
...and the historical figures were all obtained from records kept by and published in TVOS, which we've been doing since 1997. | |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 21:19 - Dec 1 with 2667 views | DaleiLama |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 17:57 - Dec 1 by TVOS1907 |
...and the historical figures were all obtained from records kept by and published in TVOS, which we've been doing since 1997. |
Homage paid on ifollow I noticed | |
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| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 21:24 - Dec 1 with 2657 views | TVOS1907 |
| iFollow income, is this how it works? on 21:19 - Dec 1 by DaleiLama |
Homage paid on ifollow I noticed |
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