| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers 09:44 - Jun 11 with 8913 views | dickythorpe |
League 2 is
We could be badly exposed next season.
Why are we seriously considering this under 17/academy coach?
"On the cheap" option I feel. [Post edited 11 Jun 2019 9:45]
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 22:57 - Jun 12 with 1399 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 14:46 - Jun 12 by jackrmee |
But you're talking as if Cooper ONLY has that one set of skills that will only work with youngsters |
It’s a known fact that he’s apparently unable to converse with anyone over the age of 18 and a half......... |  |
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 23:02 - Jun 12 with 1381 views | Banosswan |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 22:57 - Jun 12 by Brynmill_Jack |
It’s a known fact that he’s apparently unable to converse with anyone over the age of 18 and a half......... |
That's what the holdup is. Kaplan and levein are currently interviewing appropriate 17 yr old translators |  |
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 06:19 - Jun 13 with 1320 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 23:02 - Jun 12 by Banosswan |
That's what the holdup is. Kaplan and levein are currently interviewing appropriate 17 yr old translators |
Or they’ve read Dicky’s posts and are having second thoughts. They’re now considering Darren Ferguson because of his wide ranging experience in the Championship. And below. | |
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 06:50 - Jun 13 with 1299 views | dobjack2 |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 21:03 - Jun 12 by Swanseaman |
All the signs are that once Birch has sorted the finances out and got us back on track, the Yanks will be selling on. |
Finding buyers for clubs after he has stabilised them financially is on his cv.
Who knows who our next owners will be however whether there is a court case or not I cannot see the Trust or anyone else other than the new owners having shares in the club.
Part of the legacy of the selling shareholders. |  | | |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 07:31 - Jun 13 with 1261 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 22:14 - Jun 12 by Glyn1 |
Which one of those coached only youth teams? [Post edited 12 Jun 2019 22:15]
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Until taking over Barcelona Pep Guardiola had only ever coached at youth level. |  |
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 07:47 - Jun 13 with 1236 views | longlostjack |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 22:14 - Jun 12 by Glyn1 |
Which one of those coached only youth teams? [Post edited 12 Jun 2019 22:15]
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Both. Nagelsmann U19 Hoffenheim, Kohfeldt came through the youth coaching set up at Werder Bremen. |  |
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 08:28 - Jun 13 with 1195 views | sainthelens |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 22:57 - Jun 12 by Brynmill_Jack |
It’s a known fact that he’s apparently unable to converse with anyone over the age of 18 and a half......... |
With those teeth, hardly a shock. |  | | |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 08:51 - Jun 13 with 1158 views | Vetchfielder |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 07:31 - Jun 13 by Dr_Winston |
Until taking over Barcelona Pep Guardiola had only ever coached at youth level. |
That's a fair point but Pep had a high level league and international playing career and the experiences of being coached by top level coaches to draw upon. Pep would have immediately commanded the respect of his players. Steve Cooper has none of that.
I'm sure that the club realise there's a risk associated with the appointment of Cooper but it looks like they have enough confidence to make it one worth taking. I feel though that bringing Marsh with him mitigates the risk a lot. |  |
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 08:56 - Jun 13 with 1149 views | WarwickHunt |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 23:02 - Jun 12 by Banosswan |
That's what the holdup is. Kaplan and levein are currently interviewing appropriate 17 yr old translators |
Ah FFS, fat fingers on fûcking iPhone...
Didn’t mean to report abuse, obviously.
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 09:57 - Jun 13 with 1105 views | Swanseaman |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 06:50 - Jun 13 by dobjack2 |
Finding buyers for clubs after he has stabilised them financially is on his cv.
Who knows who our next owners will be however whether there is a court case or not I cannot see the Trust or anyone else other than the new owners having shares in the club.
Part of the legacy of the selling shareholders. |
Almost every club he's brought into ends up being sold, maybe it's not the main reason he's her, will have to wait and see.
Trevor Birch expertise is to sell clubs on. by Swanseaman 27 May 2019 13:34It looks likely that he's been brought here to sort our finances, then to oversee the sale of our club?
Here is his record:
In 2002, he become Chief Executive of Chelsea, he led the £180 million sale to Roman Abramovich in 2003.
October 2003 he was appointed Chief Executive of Leeds United, overseeing the takeover by a local consortium.
June 2004 he become Chief Executive of Everton, with the task of overhauling the Merseyside club's finances. He resigned after a disagreement over strategy with the board and major shareholders.
In June 2007 he was appointed the Chief Executive of Derby County, only 4 months later he was released believed to have been due to disagreements with the manager Billy Davies.
He was appointed Chief exec at Sheffield United in Jan 2010, they were relegated to League One 2011. he left soon after.
Late 2011, he undertook the role of Administrator at financially troubled Portsmouth, he led the club to a sale to the Pompey Supporters' Trust.
Birch had another role as Administrator of Heart of Midlothian in 2013, he lead the sale of the club, to a takeover from Bidco (1874) Limited on 12 May 2014.
Late 2015 he undertook an advisory role at Bolton Wanderers which finished in March 2016 with the sale of the club.
In March 2017 he joined Portsmouth and led negotiations with Mike Eisner and his investment vehicle Tornante regarding the takeover of the club.
18 March 2019 he became chairman of Swansea City
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 10:30 - Jun 13 with 1075 views | Badlands |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 09:57 - Jun 13 by Swanseaman |
Almost every club he's brought into ends up being sold, maybe it's not the main reason he's her, will have to wait and see.
Trevor Birch expertise is to sell clubs on. by Swanseaman 27 May 2019 13:34It looks likely that he's been brought here to sort our finances, then to oversee the sale of our club?
Here is his record:
In 2002, he become Chief Executive of Chelsea, he led the £180 million sale to Roman Abramovich in 2003.
October 2003 he was appointed Chief Executive of Leeds United, overseeing the takeover by a local consortium.
June 2004 he become Chief Executive of Everton, with the task of overhauling the Merseyside club's finances. He resigned after a disagreement over strategy with the board and major shareholders.
In June 2007 he was appointed the Chief Executive of Derby County, only 4 months later he was released believed to have been due to disagreements with the manager Billy Davies.
He was appointed Chief exec at Sheffield United in Jan 2010, they were relegated to League One 2011. he left soon after.
Late 2011, he undertook the role of Administrator at financially troubled Portsmouth, he led the club to a sale to the Pompey Supporters' Trust.
Birch had another role as Administrator of Heart of Midlothian in 2013, he lead the sale of the club, to a takeover from Bidco (1874) Limited on 12 May 2014.
Late 2015 he undertook an advisory role at Bolton Wanderers which finished in March 2016 with the sale of the club.
In March 2017 he joined Portsmouth and led negotiations with Mike Eisner and his investment vehicle Tornante regarding the takeover of the club.
18 March 2019 he became chairman of Swansea City
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How many clubs don't get sold?
And, surely all the Yank haters should be supporting him. |  |
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 10:46 - Jun 13 with 1055 views | Swanseaman |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 10:30 - Jun 13 by Badlands |
How many clubs don't get sold?
And, surely all the Yank haters should be supporting him. |
Birch will be out to get the best for us, he' his own man, if the yanks go against him he will walk. | |
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 11:36 - Jun 13 with 1024 views | jack247 |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 10:30 - Jun 13 by Badlands |
How many clubs don't get sold?
And, surely all the Yank haters should be supporting him. |
Absolutely. If he’s been brought in to prepare us for a sale, I’m 100% behind him.
Wasn’t initially impressed with them recruiting an insolvency specialist, but so far he’s got the James deal done reasonably quickly and for a good price, maintained category 1 status for at least a season, agreed another year with Routledge and looks to be on the verge of bringing (in my view) a new manager with great potential. He’s done well so far. Early signs are that Birch is one of the few things the Americans deserve credit for. | | | |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 11:43 - Jun 13 with 1003 views | AlfieMooresSon |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 09:57 - Jun 13 by Swanseaman |
Almost every club he's brought into ends up being sold, maybe it's not the main reason he's her, will have to wait and see.
Trevor Birch expertise is to sell clubs on. by Swanseaman 27 May 2019 13:34It looks likely that he's been brought here to sort our finances, then to oversee the sale of our club?
Here is his record:
In 2002, he become Chief Executive of Chelsea, he led the £180 million sale to Roman Abramovich in 2003.
October 2003 he was appointed Chief Executive of Leeds United, overseeing the takeover by a local consortium.
June 2004 he become Chief Executive of Everton, with the task of overhauling the Merseyside club's finances. He resigned after a disagreement over strategy with the board and major shareholders.
In June 2007 he was appointed the Chief Executive of Derby County, only 4 months later he was released believed to have been due to disagreements with the manager Billy Davies.
He was appointed Chief exec at Sheffield United in Jan 2010, they were relegated to League One 2011. he left soon after.
Late 2011, he undertook the role of Administrator at financially troubled Portsmouth, he led the club to a sale to the Pompey Supporters' Trust.
Birch had another role as Administrator of Heart of Midlothian in 2013, he lead the sale of the club, to a takeover from Bidco (1874) Limited on 12 May 2014.
Late 2015 he undertook an advisory role at Bolton Wanderers which finished in March 2016 with the sale of the club.
In March 2017 he joined Portsmouth and led negotiations with Mike Eisner and his investment vehicle Tornante regarding the takeover of the club.
18 March 2019 he became chairman of Swansea City
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Either being sold, or he falls out with them, or relegated, that's a terrible history! | | | |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 11:48 - Jun 13 with 990 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 11:36 - Jun 13 by jack247 |
Absolutely. If he’s been brought in to prepare us for a sale, I’m 100% behind him.
Wasn’t initially impressed with them recruiting an insolvency specialist, but so far he’s got the James deal done reasonably quickly and for a good price, maintained category 1 status for at least a season, agreed another year with Routledge and looks to be on the verge of bringing (in my view) a new manager with great potential. He’s done well so far. Early signs are that Birch is one of the few things the Americans deserve credit for. |
Good post.
Don’t really get why everyone falls over when he brings out press statements telling us literally nothing, but he has done plenty well so far.
Fingers crosses he can find decent buyers, take his cut from sale, everyone’s a winner. [Post edited 13 Jun 2019 12:19]
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 12:10 - Jun 13 with 971 views | Swanseaman |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 11:43 - Jun 13 by AlfieMooresSon |
Either being sold, or he falls out with them, or relegated, that's a terrible history! |
He seems to get employment with clubs that are in financial difficulties, these clubs will either find new owners and get saved, or end up getting relegated.
And he falls out with them if they go against him, he is no yes man [Post edited 13 Jun 2019 12:11]
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 12:26 - Jun 13 with 948 views | Badlands |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 11:48 - Jun 13 by 34dfgdf54 |
Good post.
Don’t really get why everyone falls over when he brings out press statements telling us literally nothing, but he has done plenty well so far.
Fingers crosses he can find decent buyers, take his cut from sale, everyone’s a winner. [Post edited 13 Jun 2019 12:19]
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But will the Trust sell?
And willBirch get any interest other than a very dodgy Chinese developer who has since 2014, despite promising £billions of developments in the UK, bought one pub?
From what I have seen so far the lead shareholders have done a decent job. We didn't stay in the PL but we had been clinging on by the skin of our teeth and getting into greater financial pickle as the years passed.
Levien, in particular, knows his way around sports clubs / franchises and has a very good record of improvement.
Unlike many (some / most) I believe these shareholders would have been our best option for sustainability and growth but, I now think they will get out of Swansea as soon as possible as the situaiton and response from fans has been so negative.
They were never going to be a quick fix and they were never going to put in cash from their own pockets. | |
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 13:27 - Jun 13 with 921 views | vetchonian |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 12:26 - Jun 13 by Badlands |
But will the Trust sell?
And willBirch get any interest other than a very dodgy Chinese developer who has since 2014, despite promising £billions of developments in the UK, bought one pub?
From what I have seen so far the lead shareholders have done a decent job. We didn't stay in the PL but we had been clinging on by the skin of our teeth and getting into greater financial pickle as the years passed.
Levien, in particular, knows his way around sports clubs / franchises and has a very good record of improvement.
Unlike many (some / most) I believe these shareholders would have been our best option for sustainability and growth but, I now think they will get out of Swansea as soon as possible as the situaiton and response from fans has been so negative.
They were never going to be a quick fix and they were never going to put in cash from their own pockets. |
Who knows Leigh do you? | |
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 13:42 - Jun 13 with 898 views | theloneranger |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 12:26 - Jun 13 by Badlands |
But will the Trust sell?
And willBirch get any interest other than a very dodgy Chinese developer who has since 2014, despite promising £billions of developments in the UK, bought one pub?
From what I have seen so far the lead shareholders have done a decent job. We didn't stay in the PL but we had been clinging on by the skin of our teeth and getting into greater financial pickle as the years passed.
Levien, in particular, knows his way around sports clubs / franchises and has a very good record of improvement.
Unlike many (some / most) I believe these shareholders would have been our best option for sustainability and growth but, I now think they will get out of Swansea as soon as possible as the situaiton and response from fans has been so negative.
They were never going to be a quick fix and they were never going to put in cash from their own pockets. |
What pub?? ... The Ynysmeudwy Arms 😇 |  |
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 13:52 - Jun 13 with 885 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 12:26 - Jun 13 by Badlands |
But will the Trust sell?
And willBirch get any interest other than a very dodgy Chinese developer who has since 2014, despite promising £billions of developments in the UK, bought one pub?
From what I have seen so far the lead shareholders have done a decent job. We didn't stay in the PL but we had been clinging on by the skin of our teeth and getting into greater financial pickle as the years passed.
Levien, in particular, knows his way around sports clubs / franchises and has a very good record of improvement.
Unlike many (some / most) I believe these shareholders would have been our best option for sustainability and growth but, I now think they will get out of Swansea as soon as possible as the situaiton and response from fans has been so negative.
They were never going to be a quick fix and they were never going to put in cash from their own pockets. |
I think the Trust would sell for the right money, but to not just anybody, they’ll actually do due diligence. If Birch can find the right people, which he seems to have done for clubs he has previously worked, for then I don’t think the Trust will be much of an issue.
Agreeing a deal for DJ the way they did in January was last straw for me, they have no clue what they are doing, Jenkins, who I can’t stand btw, saved their bacon with that one in fairness.
Has Levein got a good track record for improvement then? At one stage every franchise/club he owned were bottom of their respective leagues. | | | |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 13:55 - Jun 13 with 881 views | jack247 |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 12:26 - Jun 13 by Badlands |
But will the Trust sell?
And willBirch get any interest other than a very dodgy Chinese developer who has since 2014, despite promising £billions of developments in the UK, bought one pub?
From what I have seen so far the lead shareholders have done a decent job. We didn't stay in the PL but we had been clinging on by the skin of our teeth and getting into greater financial pickle as the years passed.
Levien, in particular, knows his way around sports clubs / franchises and has a very good record of improvement.
Unlike many (some / most) I believe these shareholders would have been our best option for sustainability and growth but, I now think they will get out of Swansea as soon as possible as the situaiton and response from fans has been so negative.
They were never going to be a quick fix and they were never going to put in cash from their own pockets. |
You can’t seriously think they would want to stay if they were more popular?
They want out of Swansea because they made an investment then vastly devalued it. You raise a fair point regarding who would want to buy us at the moment. They’ve only got themselves to blame for that. | | | |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 19:57 - Jun 16 with 737 views | Brynmill_Jack |
Cooper could lead us to ten victories on the bounce and still some wouldn’t be happy on here | |
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 20:05 - Jun 16 with 728 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 08:51 - Jun 13 by Vetchfielder |
That's a fair point but Pep had a high level league and international playing career and the experiences of being coached by top level coaches to draw upon. Pep would have immediately commanded the respect of his players. Steve Cooper has none of that.
I'm sure that the club realise there's a risk associated with the appointment of Cooper but it looks like they have enough confidence to make it one worth taking. I feel though that bringing Marsh with him mitigates the risk a lot. |
Ryan Giggs has a high level league and international playing career and the experiences of being coached by top level coaches to draw upon and he's f*cking useless.
Playing ability has nothing to do with managerial ability. Sometimes great players make great coaches, but not often. It's telling that three of the most successful managers of the Premier League era (Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho) had middling playing careers at best. | |
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| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 20:22 - Jun 16 with 698 views | jasper_T |
| The Championship is not a learning ground for untried managers on 19:57 - Jun 16 by Brynmill_Jack |
Cooper could lead us to ten victories on the bounce and still some wouldn’t be happy on here |
I bet they would. | | | |
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