| Galloway anti-Semitic on 15:13 - Jun 9 with 997 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 14:59 - Jun 9 by dobjack2 |
I’m prepared to give people the benefit of the doubt on things like that for the reasons i’ve Posted. Everyone in public office should learn from it, though I doubt that will happen.
It would be an entirely different matter if she had written the AS comment herself. |
Hmm, seen to much over the years, my "benefit of doubt" now has a very high bar.
Like the "I can' be anti-semitic, I'm Jewish / have Jewish ancestry" claims on social media. One guy played that card this very morning - ended up deleting their account after previous messages they'd put up referring to themselves being Catholic were dragging up. |  | |  |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 15:30 - Jun 9 with 988 views | bluey_the_blue |
Another example.
Muppet claims to have had Jewish grandfather who rejected and converted from Judaism in 1947 due to the disgraceful activities of Israel. People retweet etc, cite it as evidence.
Sadly for that muppet, Israel wasn't formed till 1948. | | | |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 16:30 - Jun 9 with 969 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 15:30 - Jun 9 by bluey_the_blue |
Another example.
Muppet claims to have had Jewish grandfather who rejected and converted from Judaism in 1947 due to the disgraceful activities of Israel. People retweet etc, cite it as evidence.
Sadly for that muppet, Israel wasn't formed till 1948. |
Don’t you get bored of constantly trawling the internet for examples? |  |
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| Galloway anti-Semitic on 16:37 - Jun 9 with 959 views | attila_the_hun |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:10 - Jun 3 by Flashberryjack |
The guy's an utter c*nt. |
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| Galloway anti-Semitic on 17:02 - Jun 9 with 934 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 14:38 - Jun 9 by bluey_the_blue |
Her point was that she "accidentally liked" something,
She commented in the thread that it was an interesting read! It simply does not compute. |
The 'Like' and the comment were on different Facebook posts, not the same one. |  |
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| Galloway anti-Semitic on 17:05 - Jun 9 with 936 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 16:30 - Jun 9 by exiledclaseboy |
Don’t you get bored of constantly trawling the internet for examples? |
Wasn't any need to "trawl the internet" for examples, both came up in my timeline this morning.
The reality is, someone comes out with bs like that, it gets cited as fact because it's what anti-semites want to believe. | | | |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 17:07 - Jun 9 with 934 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 17:05 - Jun 9 by bluey_the_blue |
Wasn't any need to "trawl the internet" for examples, both came up in my timeline this morning.
The reality is, someone comes out with bs like that, it gets cited as fact because it's what anti-semites want to believe. |
Do you believe that all criticism of Israel and Israeli policy and/or actions is intrinsically anti semitic? | |
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| Galloway anti-Semitic on 17:17 - Jun 9 with 920 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 17:07 - Jun 9 by exiledclaseboy |
Do you believe that all criticism of Israel and Israeli policy and/or actions is intrinsically anti semitic? |
No it isn't, as covered by IHRA.
Conflating British Jew with Israel, for example is. Using anti-semitic memes and tropes a la Rothschild is unsurprisingly anti-semitic. | | | |
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| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:03 - Jun 9 with 907 views | dobjack2 |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 17:17 - Jun 9 by bluey_the_blue |
No it isn't, as covered by IHRA.
Conflating British Jew with Israel, for example is. Using anti-semitic memes and tropes a la Rothschild is unsurprisingly anti-semitic. |
That’s what I mean about education. How many posters on here appear to be unaware of the IHRA definition? A minefield in a discussion on AS. | | | |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:09 - Jun 9 with 901 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:03 - Jun 9 by dobjack2 |
That’s what I mean about education. How many posters on here appear to be unaware of the IHRA definition? A minefield in a discussion on AS. |
The IHRA definition is fine. Some of the examples used to support it are more problematic. | |
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| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:15 - Jun 9 with 896 views | dobjack2 |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 15:13 - Jun 9 by bluey_the_blue |
Hmm, seen to much over the years, my "benefit of doubt" now has a very high bar.
Like the "I can' be anti-semitic, I'm Jewish / have Jewish ancestry" claims on social media. One guy played that card this very morning - ended up deleting their account after previous messages they'd put up referring to themselves being Catholic were dragging up. |
Each to our own experiences. It’s bad that your experiences have led you to that position.
Mind you the poster you refer to is clearly very stupid in more ways than one. | | | |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:17 - Jun 9 with 891 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:09 - Jun 9 by exiledclaseboy |
The IHRA definition is fine. Some of the examples used to support it are more problematic. |
Out of curiosity, which examples do you have a problem with? | | | |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:22 - Jun 9 with 886 views | NotLoyal |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 13:44 - Jun 9 by Brynmill_Jack |
I concur. The power of the mainstream media really does control peoples thoughts theses days. |
I just sympathise with a religion that lost millions of lives to murder in living memory, the mainstream media had nothing to do with that, a little chap from Austria was probably more to blame.
If of course we all agree it happenned ? |  |
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| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:23 - Jun 9 with 886 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:17 - Jun 9 by bluey_the_blue |
Out of curiosity, which examples do you have a problem with? |
They’re not particularly a problem for me personally but I think these are potentially problematic because they can at least be interpreted as any criticism of Israel being a criticism of Jews generally. They conflate Jews and Israel/Israeli policy.
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews
worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
ï‚· Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
ï‚· Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other
democratic nation.
ï‚· Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis. [Post edited 9 Jun 2019 18:24]
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| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:25 - Jun 9 with 880 views | dobjack2 |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:09 - Jun 9 by exiledclaseboy |
The IHRA definition is fine. Some of the examples used to support it are more problematic. |
Following that line caused the Labour Party a whole world of pain. Whoever thought that was a good idea really didn’t think through the consequences.
There are ways to criticise actions and policies of the government of Israel that do not fall foul of the examples. | | | |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:30 - Jun 9 with 869 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:25 - Jun 9 by dobjack2 |
Following that line caused the Labour Party a whole world of pain. Whoever thought that was a good idea really didn’t think through the consequences.
There are ways to criticise actions and policies of the government of Israel that do not fall foul of the examples. |
Yes there are - but there are also legitimate criticisms that could. | |
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| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:40 - Jun 9 with 856 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:23 - Jun 9 by exiledclaseboy |
They’re not particularly a problem for me personally but I think these are potentially problematic because they can at least be interpreted as any criticism of Israel being a criticism of Jews generally. They conflate Jews and Israel/Israeli policy.
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews
worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
ï‚· Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
ï‚· Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other
democratic nation.
ï‚· Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis. [Post edited 9 Jun 2019 18:24]
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1) Those who accuse British Muslims of being more loyal to <insert Muslim nation name> are racist. The make the claim based specifically upon race. No difference.
2) There are (nominally) Christian nations, Muslim nations etc. None of those are told they should not exist, none of those are called "racist endeavours".
3) I don't think anyone could argue against this one.
4) There's zero comparison between the two. Those throwing it out tend to be intending harm. | | | |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:46 - Jun 9 with 848 views | dobjack2 |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:30 - Jun 9 by exiledclaseboy |
Yes there are - but there are also legitimate criticisms that could. |
A lot depends on how the criticism is worded. | | | |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:47 - Jun 9 with 846 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:46 - Jun 9 by dobjack2 |
A lot depends on how the criticism is worded. |
Indeed. And the judgement of the intention can only ever be subjective at best. | |
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| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:49 - Jun 9 with 841 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:30 - Jun 9 by exiledclaseboy |
Yes there are - but there are also legitimate criticisms that could. |
Again, not arguing, but what legitimate criticisms do you think would fall foul of IHRA? | | | |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 19:02 - Jun 9 with 834 views | jackrmee |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 13:09 - Jun 9 by NotLoyal |
They are anti semetic and have committed hate crimes against Jews, stating all the usual nonsense ordinary Israeli jews have no say in nor can influence is no better than Corbyns left wing fascist views.
Hate is hate, no matter the history, no matter your cause. |
Who has? |  |
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| Galloway anti-Semitic on 19:06 - Jun 9 with 833 views | jackrmee |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 13:46 - Jun 9 by dobjack2 |
There are anti-Semites and there are people that make or like anti Semitic posts through ignorance or not reading a post carefully enough. A big difference in my opinion but one that is rarely discussed.
If there was social media in Wilson’s time in my opinion people would have made the same mistakes as we see today on any social media forum including this one.
Education is what is needed not name calling. |
And there are people who come across as anti semitic, but actually aren't.
I am not anti semitic, but that IMH thingy reckons that I am. I do not hate Jews at all, but I do hate what they are doing in Israel. Those ones are kunts. Zionists or whatever. They are kunts. That doesn't make me anti semitic. | |
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| Galloway anti-Semitic on 19:11 - Jun 9 with 824 views | jackrmee |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 18:22 - Jun 9 by NotLoyal |
I just sympathise with a religion that lost millions of lives to murder in living memory, the mainstream media had nothing to do with that, a little chap from Austria was probably more to blame.
If of course we all agree it happenned ? |
So because they went through that, it's OK for them to put another race/religion/people through basically the same shit they went through? | |
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| Galloway anti-Semitic on 19:14 - Jun 9 with 821 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Galloway anti-Semitic on 19:11 - Jun 9 by jackrmee |
So because they went through that, it's OK for them to put another race/religion/people through basically the same shit they went through? |
IHRA violation there.
You've never been to say Gaza, know sweet FA about it... | | | |
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