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Clydach murders 21:38 - Jul 5 with 88177 viewsSwanzay

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/clydach-murders-killer-david-morri

Seems most of Swansea still highly suspect this a SWP stitch up, because of bent cops...
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Clydach murders on 20:24 - Oct 23 with 1793 viewsNeath_Jack

Clydach murders on 20:16 - Oct 23 by Tim_Harry

So you've cheated on your missus. You've left your chain in the other woman's house, as you do. Also, this is the woman that a little bit earlier you were heard slagging off in a public place. Then someone else kills that woman.

So when the Police interview you a couple of years later, your first thought is not letting your missus find out about cheating on her?

Aye, that sounds right!


Exactly that, yeah.

As explained to Gary, if he was innocent in that interview room, he'd be thinking "I'm out of here in an hour, no way am i admitting to having an affair, f*ck that!".

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Clydach murders on 20:25 - Oct 23 with 1790 viewsGaryjack

Clydach murders on 20:16 - Oct 23 by Tim_Harry

So you've cheated on your missus. You've left your chain in the other woman's house, as you do. Also, this is the woman that a little bit earlier you were heard slagging off in a public place. Then someone else kills that woman.

So when the Police interview you a couple of years later, your first thought is not letting your missus find out about cheating on her?

Aye, that sounds right!


And the chain was found on the floor of the mothers bedroom who was killed first! Come on innit! Conspiracy theories eh!
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Clydach murders on 20:26 - Oct 23 with 1785 viewsNeath_Jack

Clydach murders on 20:16 - Oct 23 by Garyjack

When he's innocent?


The whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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Clydach murders on 20:30 - Oct 23 with 1778 viewsTim_Harry

Clydach murders on 20:24 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack

Exactly that, yeah.

As explained to Gary, if he was innocent in that interview room, he'd be thinking "I'm out of here in an hour, no way am i admitting to having an affair, f*ck that!".


Even if he was innocent in that interview he'd have realised that there was a lot of evidence pointing to his guilt. Or do you really think that he was too stupid to know that?

Four life sentences potentially at stake, or being in the doghouse with your missus.

No contest!
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Clydach murders on 20:33 - Oct 23 with 1771 viewsNeath_Jack

Clydach murders on 20:30 - Oct 23 by Tim_Harry

Even if he was innocent in that interview he'd have realised that there was a lot of evidence pointing to his guilt. Or do you really think that he was too stupid to know that?

Four life sentences potentially at stake, or being in the doghouse with your missus.

No contest!


How do you know he would have realised that? When in fact there wasn't that much evidence was there? What interview was it that he said that in? The first interview? The 5th? The 10th? The police don't show their full hand in the first interview, for example.

If he knew that he didn't do it, he would have it in his mind that he'd soon be out of there. I have no idea if he was stupid or not.

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Clydach murders on 20:38 - Oct 23 with 1761 viewsGaryjack

Clydach murders on 20:24 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack

Exactly that, yeah.

As explained to Gary, if he was innocent in that interview room, he'd be thinking "I'm out of here in an hour, no way am i admitting to having an affair, f*ck that!".


If he was innocent in that interview room room, he wouldn't lie. It's 4 horrific murders we're talking about here, and he had a whole year to think about it. C'mon Neathie ff's man. You'll always find discrepancies and doubt when cases such as these are aired on national television, but common sense tells you who the murderer is, and that is David Morris.
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Clydach murdersL on 20:40 - Oct 23 with 1758 viewsexhmrc1

Clydach murders on 18:41 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack

I'm going to jump in here...

Point 1, someone drinking 8 pints and a bit of whizz, makes no difference to someone seeing him or not. What is your reasoning there? He could have walked along the river bank for a start.

Personally, I wouldn't pay much notice to the guy who sat on it for 20 years, but, there's nothing wrong with being on a mountain at 4am. We used to do it as teenagers all the time. Go up there out of the way, do a load of magic mushrooms, or smoke some spliffs and cans. Out of the way of everyone. No issues with that at all. It's obviously not part of your lifestyle, even as a youngster, so would seem alien to you.

The distinctive chain, and a witness saying they remembered his not wearing it in the pub. Over ONE YEAR later? Absolutely no chance! Are you telling me you can remember what jewellery someone had on in a pub over a year ago? Nonsense.

I'm going to take a stab here and assume that you have never been arrested. Trust me, if you think saying something is going to get you out of the police station quickly, you'll say it. Yes that is a bad idea, but that is what happens. Especially so if you are panicking about the seriousness of the allegations against you. Don't forget, he was trying to cover up the fact that he was carrying on, don't under estimate what that will make a man say.

I'm not saying he is innocent or guilty, I genuinely don't know.


He didnt go along some river bank. He states he went from the New Inn up to this home on Rhyddwen Road in Craig Cefn Parc then over Rhyddwen Road towards the Masons in Rhydypandy then on the back Road coming out just past Morriston Hospital then from there to Llangyfelach. His girlfriend however claimed he came home 3-4 hours earlier. This journey is approximately 5 miles and the journey back 4 miles. I have stayed a number of times in my sisters house looking after my mother on Saturday nights and there is quite a lot of traffic passing at around 11.30 pm. Most of it is in the opposite direction to the way Morris went.

However the roads he went on dont have pavements and tend to be quite windy. You would have traffic passing you often coming back. Nobody came forward to having seen anyone walking there and as said previously his version is contrary to his girlfriends.

The guy wasnt a teenager at the time and most of the teenagers in our area have other places they can go to do what you suggest. They can go down by the river no houses about or use the fields or even Parks and many do. They do not need to go over a mile up a mountain. As I say he wasn't a teenager anyway. If he is to believed he just happened to be coming down the mountain at the same time as Steven Lewis was walking up there on what is probably a 4 mile walk to his then home. It is also assuming Lewis knew the area. He wasn't from the areas and as far as I am aware hadn't served as a policeman. Wouldnt he have had a car for his getaway rather than walking over the mountain if he was going to kill Mandy and Co. How did he get there. Walking 4 miles over a mountain. Do you really believe that. This is really going to be under heavy questioning should there be a retrial.

As far as the chain people who knew Morris claim he always wore this very distinctive chain and never went anywhere without it. He was in a pub with people who knew him. Do you not think his friends would have noticed this. Bit like Mr Prosser going in with a short haircut. Wouldnt his friends notice that . Even if they didnt remember the day they would remember seeing him without it.

Morris claimed he hadn't been upstairs in Mandy's house. He claimed the chain was not his and got someone to buy an identical one for him to prove the one in the house wasn't his.

When he found out the police had evidence of the chain being his and that it was upstairs he changed his story to stay he had been in the house and had sex with Mandy upstairs.

As for the BBCs claim he wasnt the first suspected. Early on he was the subject of the investigation however he had 2 key alibis. He had his chain and his girlfriend claimed he was at home in the early hours. They thought it might have been someone else but all along believed that the owner of the chain would lead them to the murderer.
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Clydach murders on 20:41 - Oct 23 with 2002 viewsTim_Harry

Clydach murders on 20:33 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack

How do you know he would have realised that? When in fact there wasn't that much evidence was there? What interview was it that he said that in? The first interview? The 5th? The 10th? The police don't show their full hand in the first interview, for example.

If he knew that he didn't do it, he would have it in his mind that he'd soon be out of there. I have no idea if he was stupid or not.


He always knew his chain was there at the scene of the crime.

Whether he knew that the police knew that it was his doesn't matter. If any possession of mine was found at a quadruple murder scene, I'd be in a panic and do anything to prove my innocence over anything else.

Maybe if I was in a serious relationship with Rachel Riley I might take a chance! Although even that's probably not worth four life sentences!
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Clydach murders on 20:46 - Oct 23 with 1993 viewsNeath_Jack

Clydach murders on 20:38 - Oct 23 by Garyjack

If he was innocent in that interview room room, he wouldn't lie. It's 4 horrific murders we're talking about here, and he had a whole year to think about it. C'mon Neathie ff's man. You'll always find discrepancies and doubt when cases such as these are aired on national television, but common sense tells you who the murderer is, and that is David Morris.


Gar, I've got no view either way as to his guilt.

I've not commented either way.

If he was guilty, and after a year passed, he probably thought he was in the clear, so the shock of then being pulled in would have put pay to any plans of what he was going to say out of the window.

If i was having an affair with my girlfriends best mate, and i was in that interview room, being questioned on a crime i knew that i didn't commit, there would be no way I'd be admitting to having an affair.

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Clydach murders on 20:49 - Oct 23 with 1980 viewsNeath_Jack

Taxman, there's absolutely no chance I'm answering your post, for god sake man, make your points a bit shorter

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Clydach murders on 20:49 - Oct 23 with 1979 viewsexhmrc1

Clydach murders on 20:46 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack

Gar, I've got no view either way as to his guilt.

I've not commented either way.

If he was guilty, and after a year passed, he probably thought he was in the clear, so the shock of then being pulled in would have put pay to any plans of what he was going to say out of the window.

If i was having an affair with my girlfriends best mate, and i was in that interview room, being questioned on a crime i knew that i didn't commit, there would be no way I'd be admitting to having an affair.


You are assuming he was having an affair. That was what he claimed after his story about the mask had been proven to be false. There are friends of hers who claimed she feared him not having an affair with him and at the time he claimed to be having sex with her the evidence placed her elsewhere.
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Clydach murders on 20:50 - Oct 23 with 1977 viewsNeath_Jack

Clydach murders on 20:41 - Oct 23 by Tim_Harry

He always knew his chain was there at the scene of the crime.

Whether he knew that the police knew that it was his doesn't matter. If any possession of mine was found at a quadruple murder scene, I'd be in a panic and do anything to prove my innocence over anything else.

Maybe if I was in a serious relationship with Rachel Riley I might take a chance! Although even that's probably not worth four life sentences!


If you are not going to answer my questions put to you, I'm not going to keep addressing different points.

Gogglebox is on soon anyway...

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Clydach murders on 21:00 - Oct 23 with 1958 viewsTim_Harry

Clydach murders on 20:50 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack

If you are not going to answer my questions put to you, I'm not going to keep addressing different points.

Gogglebox is on soon anyway...


What questions do you want me to answer? I've answered everything that has relevance. He would have known about his chain being at the scene of the crime, whichever story you choose to believe.

Anyway, off you pop to watch Gogglebox. Night x
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Clydach murders on 21:04 - Oct 23 with 1948 viewsGaryjack

Clydach murders on 20:46 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack

Gar, I've got no view either way as to his guilt.

I've not commented either way.

If he was guilty, and after a year passed, he probably thought he was in the clear, so the shock of then being pulled in would have put pay to any plans of what he was going to say out of the window.

If i was having an affair with my girlfriends best mate, and i was in that interview room, being questioned on a crime i knew that i didn't commit, there would be no way I'd be admitting to having an affair.


I'm sorry, but if i was being accused of such a crime and i was innocent, then i would certainly cough to an affair rather than lie in interview, no doubt about it.
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Clydach murders on 21:13 - Oct 23 with 1925 viewstrampie

Clydach murders on 17:26 - Oct 23 by exhmrc1

Do you believe that someone who has drunk 8 pints is likely to be walking 9 miles and no one seeing him.

Do you believe that on the one occasion a serving cop in civies walks over a lonely mountain road at 4am in the morning a guy who has form with the police happens to be coming the opposite way and only comes forward 20 years later.

Do you think that no one would notice someone not wearing a very distinctive chain they also wore when in the pub.

According to the Morris team all these happened.

In addition he denied being upstairs in the house until the chain he supposedly left there was found upstairs.

This was the chain he constantly denied was his and even got someone else to buy another for him to cover up it wasnt his in the house.

These are just a few things. There was a trial lasted 11 weeks and last nights programme lasted an hour. There was much the jurors saw that we didnt.


I'm not about to go reading old reports of the case but did Morris claim he was not in the murder house that day/at the time of the murders ?
And you say nobody seen Morris in the vacinety of the murder house at the time.......so are you saying that there was no eye witnesses putting Morris at the scene which backs up what Morris himself says so he didn't do it, is that what you are saying, I thought you thought he did do it.

The guy that thought he seen the policeman at 4am in the morning on a lonely road not long after the murders might be telling the truth, but where had he been all this time is a fair concern, the other sightings mind you by the taxi driver and the woman both came across as creditable witnesses.

If I was some random person who was on nodding terms or just knew of somebody else that frequented the same pub i visited i wouldn't notice somebody wearing or not wearing a chain I must admit.

As regards the chain perhaps he did not want to admit to an affair as he did not want his other half finding out about it.

There are far more questions about the behaviour of others than Morris as to why they did this and why they did that, the trial was 11 weeks but seemed stacked against Morris (whether guilty or not), evidence not declared to the jury (not in the national interest type things, whatever could that be) and the poor performance of his own defence (timeline etc ).

Something I mentioned earlier on in this thread that I thought other people would not understand and that is if somebody else had been tried for the murders before Morris could they have been found guilty of the murders ?

Anybody that thinks yes it just underlines that it's a legal game, it's not really about getting the real culprit, in a case like this with no witnesses to the actual murders and little forensic evidence then who gets put on trial first might take the rap for it.
In cases like this it's difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt but in this case there was a guilty verdict, hence the concerns in many quarters as to if it was the right decision.

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Clydach murders on 21:19 - Oct 23 with 1912 viewsNeath_Jack

Clydach murders on 21:04 - Oct 23 by Garyjack

I'm sorry, but if i was being accused of such a crime and i was innocent, then i would certainly cough to an affair rather than lie in interview, no doubt about it.


Ignore the magnitude of the crime, but under caution, have you lied in an interview room? Then as the interviews progress, you can see the evidence increasing against you, and you change your story?

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Clydach murders on 21:24 - Oct 23 with 1902 viewsItchySphincter

Clydach murders on 16:59 - Oct 23 by trampie

Exactly, this Clydach case apparently had a unusualy large amount of evidence not allowed to be presented, if it was a terrorist case or spies or nuclear weapons that would be one thing but it wasn't, but it could be argued that it did involve the police....hhm.


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Clydach murders on 21:30 - Oct 23 with 1888 viewstrampie

Clydach murders on 21:24 - Oct 23 by ItchySphincter

Are you a lawyer? With you vast expertise you should be.


Judging by what happened to Pat Finucane and Rosemary Nelson I'm happy I'm not a lawyer.

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Clydach murders on 21:39 - Oct 23 with 1868 viewsTim_Harry

Clydach murders on 21:19 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack

Ignore the magnitude of the crime, but under caution, have you lied in an interview room? Then as the interviews progress, you can see the evidence increasing against you, and you change your story?


That question will be relevant if the stakes are the same.

Has Gary been in a situation where a significant possession of his was found at a murder scene?

Would he lie if it meant saving a relationship, while increasing his chances of being framed for a quadruple murder?

Whichever story you believe, Morris knew what evidence was against him from the off.
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Clydach murders on 21:50 - Oct 23 with 1846 viewsGaryjack

Clydach murders on 21:19 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack

Ignore the magnitude of the crime, but under caution, have you lied in an interview room? Then as the interviews progress, you can see the evidence increasing against you, and you change your story?


Not from personal experience, but i'd hazard a guess that is exactly what happens when you're guilty!
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Clydach murders on 21:53 - Oct 23 with 1838 viewsNeath_Jack

Clydach murders on 21:39 - Oct 23 by Tim_Harry

That question will be relevant if the stakes are the same.

Has Gary been in a situation where a significant possession of his was found at a murder scene?

Would he lie if it meant saving a relationship, while increasing his chances of being framed for a quadruple murder?

Whichever story you believe, Morris knew what evidence was against him from the off.
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No it wouldn't, not unless Gary was a career criminal who is regularly interviewed under caution, for extremely violent crimes.

I have no idea if Gary has or not, hence me asking to ignore the magnitude of this particular crime.

You talking about Gary with this question now?

Did he? How do you know what the police put to him from the off. Criminals nearly always think they've got something that the police don't know about. The normal tactic is to say nothing, and let the police show their hand first.

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Clydach murders on 21:54 - Oct 23 with 1834 viewsNeath_Jack

Clydach murders on 21:50 - Oct 23 by Garyjack

Not from personal experience, but i'd hazard a guess that is exactly what happens when you're guilty!


It happens when you're innocent too (when you have got yourself a bad name).

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Clydach murders on 21:58 - Oct 23 with 1816 viewsFlashberryjack

Clydach murders on 21:39 - Oct 23 by Tim_Harry

That question will be relevant if the stakes are the same.

Has Gary been in a situation where a significant possession of his was found at a murder scene?

Would he lie if it meant saving a relationship, while increasing his chances of being framed for a quadruple murder?

Whichever story you believe, Morris knew what evidence was against him from the off.
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"Morris knew what evidence was against him from the off"

Of course he did, that's why he lied every time he opened his mouth, then he made up more lies each time the police disproved them.

I wouldn't have thought his relationship with his girlfriend would have been foremost in his mind as he was trying to wriggle out of being charged with the horrific murder of 4 innocent people, 2 of them being little children.

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Clydach murders on 21:58 - Oct 23 with 1815 viewsGaryjack

Clydach murders on 21:53 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack

No it wouldn't, not unless Gary was a career criminal who is regularly interviewed under caution, for extremely violent crimes.

I have no idea if Gary has or not, hence me asking to ignore the magnitude of this particular crime.

You talking about Gary with this question now?

Did he? How do you know what the police put to him from the off. Criminals nearly always think they've got something that the police don't know about. The normal tactic is to say nothing, and let the police show their hand first.


"Criminals nearly always think they've got something that the police don't know about. The normal tactic is to say nothing, and let the police show their hand first."

Of course they do. when they are guilty!
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Clydach murders on 22:00 - Oct 23 with 1811 viewsGaryjack

Clydach murders on 21:54 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack

It happens when you're innocent too (when you have got yourself a bad name).


Not in the context of a horrific crime which you are conveniently asking us to ignore!
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