| The Brian Flynn era 10:13 - Feb 11 with 10441 views | Starsky |
Please somebody explain this to me once and for all, so I can get my head around it.
The great escape in 2003 during Flynns tenure is where we have come from to this wonderful era that had seen us listed as one of the richest Football clubs in the world (top 30).
It's well documented on here that his hands on efforts at the club were increasingly found wanting.
However, I don't get the occasional comments that are posted here whenever there's a manager thread.
Dav recently posted that he didn't have a lot to do with us staying up and I know Darran and Jobs have similar views. I'm not contesting this, I'm just trying to understand the viewpoint.
Here's my take on the Flynn era...
In comes Flynn and he brings Kevin Reeves with him.
In come Tate, Britton, Martinez, Thomas, Jonrose and we escape the drop by the skin of our teeth.
The next season sees the permanent return of Britton, Tate and the arrival of Lee Trundle who dropped a division to join us and Andy Robinson plucked from Cammel Laird.
So many of those players have been a great part of our success. Martinez started the Swansea pass and move game, Tate captained us in our first ever Premier league game. Britton is still playing for us.
If Flynn is not responsible for all this then who was?
And... If you say Reeves... Who brought him to the club? Wasn't it Flynn?
I'm confused. Help me out here.
Anybody who starts by "why are you bringing this up, let's move on etc"
Just Feck off and let the ones who want to discuss it get on with it.
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| The Brian Flynn era on 10:16 - Feb 11 with 4313 views | shandyjack |
this is my memory of events too |  |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 10:21 - Feb 11 with 4301 views | swanjackal |
He brought in the much needed quality necessary, that we did not attain under Cusack (Paul reid, David Smith,Michael Jackson for f*ck sake...sha-mon). He also set us up in a way that we looked like a professional unit on the field, unfortunately he didn't have the discipline off the field it seems with him being so far away, and Jackett came in and gave us a more professional set up off the field, utilising the talented players assembled by Flynn.
Anyone dismissing him as being unworthy of praise for his role, for me, is doing him a major disservice. [Post edited 11 Feb 2016 10:21]
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Hypocritically hypocritical ! |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 10:22 - Feb 11 with 4291 views | EasternJack |
| The Brian Flynn era on 10:16 - Feb 11 by shandyjack |
this is my memory of events too |
Mine too. It was a crucial appointment at the time and brought stability.
I also agree that he ran out of steam and we were often found desperately hanging on to leads early on in 2nd halves... sound familiar? |  |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 10:26 - Feb 11 with 4271 views | Darran |
He shouldn't be looked upon as saving us he should be looked upon as nearly taking us down and he nearly took us down because he was an unprofessional little c*nt that was taking the piss out of us big time. |  |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 10:33 - Feb 11 with 4252 views | shandyjack |
| The Brian Flynn era on 10:26 - Feb 11 by Darran |
He shouldn't be looked upon as saving us he should be looked upon as nearly taking us down and he nearly took us down because he was an unprofessional little c*nt that was taking the piss out of us big time. |
we were bottom of the league when he took over, so i'd say he kept us up | |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 10:37 - Feb 11 with 4228 views | Darran |
| The Brian Flynn era on 10:33 - Feb 11 by shandyjack |
we were bottom of the league when he took over, so i'd say he kept us up |
You can say what you want but he did take over in Septemver and should have done much better. | |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 10:40 - Feb 11 with 4219 views | Darran |
and as for him being responsible for starting if all off who brought him in?
Why did the people that brought him in get involved?
All hail Mike Lewis for bringing Tony Petty in
Thank you Mike Lewis for starting it all off. | |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 10:50 - Feb 11 with 4192 views | Morfa_Same |
Flynn performed a miracle keeping us up. He inherited a team that was so bad it would have struggled in the Conference. We needed almost a completely new team to save us but finances were still a mess after the CVA the previous season. We hadn't event spent a transfer fee for about 4 years. I'm not sure that any other manager in the game could have saved us in those circumstances. |  | | |
| The Brian Flynn era on 10:53 - Feb 11 with 4186 views | CopperJack |
Granted, he was appointed in September, but he took over a completely inept squad. The players he brought in without doubt saved us - and he also had us playing a fantastic brand of exciting football, long before the days of Martinez or Rodger (granted, we couldn't defend).
I think when you're in a relegation fight, you play within yourself (look at us now), and don't play to your full potential because of the pressure involved. As I say, look at us now. I think we're easily a mid-table side, but our position makes us nervy when we get into winning positions.
Flynn brought icons to the club, some of whom played a major part in our rise, Tate/Leon/Trundle/Martinez.
His behaviour in the second season was n't acceptable and he was rightly dismissed, but in my opinion, he kept us up. He brought in almost a whole new team and tried to get them to gel in a very short space of time. |  |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 10:54 - Feb 11 with 4186 views | swanjackal |
"the clubs folk law"
Made me chuckle. | |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 10:56 - Feb 11 with 4168 views | Darran |
| The Brian Flynn era on 10:53 - Feb 11 by CopperJack |
Granted, he was appointed in September, but he took over a completely inept squad. The players he brought in without doubt saved us - and he also had us playing a fantastic brand of exciting football, long before the days of Martinez or Rodger (granted, we couldn't defend).
I think when you're in a relegation fight, you play within yourself (look at us now), and don't play to your full potential because of the pressure involved. As I say, look at us now. I think we're easily a mid-table side, but our position makes us nervy when we get into winning positions.
Flynn brought icons to the club, some of whom played a major part in our rise, Tate/Leon/Trundle/Martinez.
His behaviour in the second season was n't acceptable and he was rightly dismissed, but in my opinion, he kept us up. He brought in almost a whole new team and tried to get them to gel in a very short space of time. |
Mate believe me his behaviour in the first season want acceptable. | |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 11:01 - Feb 11 with 4153 views | StoptheBus |
Most within the club were happy to see him go because, like Darren has said, he was unprofessional. He didn't seem too committed either, the fact he refused to move down to the area from Burnley speaks volumes.
He had a good scout who could spot a good lower league player, I'll grant him that. Mind you, he also signed Leon Hylton and Lenny Johnrose so perhaps that evens things out. | | | |
| The Brian Flynn era on 11:26 - Feb 11 with 4086 views | Jackanapes |
A differnt thread, from around the time of the Napoli games, came up on 'The Ugly Inside', the Soton fans network site, when I googled a Nick Hornby qoute that I used in that particular thread. It must be a fans networtk thing. As for my views, they are all in that thread. [Post edited 11 Feb 2016 11:31]
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| The Brian Flynn era on 11:55 - Feb 11 with 4015 views | swancity |
| The Brian Flynn era on 10:26 - Feb 11 by Darran |
He shouldn't be looked upon as saving us he should be looked upon as nearly taking us down and he nearly took us down because he was an unprofessional little c*nt that was taking the piss out of us big time. |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 12:18 - Feb 11 with 3965 views | CopperJack |
| The Brian Flynn era on 10:56 - Feb 11 by Darran |
Mate believe me his behaviour in the first season want acceptable. |
Care to elaborate? Not saying you're wrong by the way, I'm actually curious because I've heard nothing about it | |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 12:20 - Feb 11 with 3949 views | Darran |
| The Brian Flynn era on 12:18 - Feb 11 by CopperJack |
Care to elaborate? Not saying you're wrong by the way, I'm actually curious because I've heard nothing about it |
Eh yeah not being here,not travelling with the team to away games,not staying at hotels with the players the night before away games. | |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 12:23 - Feb 11 with 3942 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Brian Flynn era on 11:01 - Feb 11 by StoptheBus |
Most within the club were happy to see him go because, like Darren has said, he was unprofessional. He didn't seem too committed either, the fact he refused to move down to the area from Burnley speaks volumes.
He had a good scout who could spot a good lower league player, I'll grant him that. Mind you, he also signed Leon Hylton and Lenny Johnrose so perhaps that evens things out. |
Don't disrespect the Johnrose.
There will always be a school of thought to suggest that a more committed, more tactically capable manager would have had us safe long before the final day considering the resources Flynn was given to work with, even taking into account where he was starting from. A school of thought I happen to agree with.
His legacy will be the players he left behind, but it's telling that it took a different manager to turn such talented individuals into a consistently effective team.
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| The Brian Flynn era on 12:24 - Feb 11 with 3939 views | swancity |
| The Brian Flynn era on 12:20 - Feb 11 by Darran |
Eh yeah not being here,not travelling with the team to away games,not staying at hotels with the players the night before away games. |
And?
He lived in the North West dumbo so when we played games in that area it would make sense to do that. Not ideal may be but are you discounting all of the good things he did because of that? You're not that stupid are you..... | |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 12:26 - Feb 11 with 3927 views | Darran |
| The Brian Flynn era on 12:24 - Feb 11 by swancity |
And?
He lived in the North West dumbo so when we played games in that area it would make sense to do that. Not ideal may be but are you discounting all of the good things he did because of that? You're not that stupid are you..... |
Yep not ideal at all no wonder we only managed to stay up by the skin of our teeth. | |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 12:28 - Feb 11 with 3917 views | swancity |
| The Brian Flynn era on 12:26 - Feb 11 by Darran |
Yep not ideal at all no wonder we only managed to stay up by the skin of our teeth. |
I see. So if he had been sitting on the team bus reading a book or playing cards or even listening to music that would have made all the difference. I'm with you now.  | |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 12:33 - Feb 11 with 3903 views | swancity |
| The Brian Flynn era on 12:23 - Feb 11 by Dr_Winston |
Don't disrespect the Johnrose.
There will always be a school of thought to suggest that a more committed, more tactically capable manager would have had us safe long before the final day considering the resources Flynn was given to work with, even taking into account where he was starting from. A school of thought I happen to agree with.
His legacy will be the players he left behind, but it's telling that it took a different manager to turn such talented individuals into a consistently effective team.
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Agreed on Johnrose, a good old tough pro, just what we needed at the time to compliment the silky skills of Britton. martinez Tate etc
But give some credit to Flynn for all the good he did. It will give your attempt to belittle ( pun lol ) everything about the man a bit more credibility and balance possibly. But possibly not... | |
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| The Brian Flynn era on 12:41 - Feb 11 with 3868 views | jack247 |
The 'not a lot to do with us staying up'' I think, comes from the fact he wouldn't move down here, allegedly missed training sessions because he was in Burnley and played a weird lopsided formation that just didn't work. From memory wasn't James Thomas played on the wing in a one winger formation a lot? I think he was even asked to drop that formation for the last couple of games because everyone could see it was ineffective.
Recruitment wise he was brilliant, pound for pound arguably the best we have had. If he hadn't brought in Martinez, Britton and Tate I think we would have been relegated way before the Hull game. The following season he brought in Trundle, Robbo, signed Leon on a permanent deal. You can't really question that aspect of his role. It's not just a case of bringing players in though and he was pretty abject at actually managing them. Plus he wasn't commited enough to live down here.
He did keep us up, but so did 22 other league 2 managers that season. Can't really argue that the players he brought in didn't go on to play a massive part in our rise though. | | | |
| The Brian Flynn era on 13:09 - Feb 11 with 3782 views | swancity |
To understand the scale of the achievement which was staying up that season you must remember how dire our team was in the early weeks of that season. Cusack has a lot to answer for. Nice guy but inept in terms of club management Cusack signed 9 duds and one decent lower division striker in James Thomas
Our club was in a dire mess. Our team was useless. Our 4-0 home loss to Kidderminster early in the Flynn era was for me an all time low and showed how useless we really were and how big a job it was
No one with any sense would come here as Cusack alluded to but Flynn was working hard in the North West to watch dozens of games to see certain players that he knew could help us. And then managed to persuade them to come to us. And on free transfers. From January when we drew away to top side Rushden and Diamonds with a Kevin Nugent goal we had hope. It was Flynn who gave us that hope when previously there was none
Ok he didn't always travel with the team to away games in the North, preferring to meet at the hotel. But don't underestimate his achievement that season. It was quite extraordinary taking everything into account. | |
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