| Jordan Garrick - U23s 13:14 - Apr 5 with 10328 views | 34dfgdf54 |
What's the score with this lad? Just seen he's up for nomination in the U23 Premier League player of the month.
Not heard his name mentioned before, and can't see him on the official site either. Is he any good? |  | | |  |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 15:20 - Apr 11 with 1383 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 14:55 - Apr 11 by glanmorjak |
I think when one compares the amount of cash we throw at the academy in comparison to other clubs, the bottom line for those rational amongst us, is how long before we should expect a return from our investment. A bit more difficult to get a return for a PL club than a Football League club however.
We have had a grade 1 academy for 2 seasons and even the most blinkered amongst us have to admit that there is a higher quality of players now coming through the system now than what there were 2 years ago. Youngsters from the U16's are regularly playing for the U18's while results for both the U18's and U23's this season show both teams to be holding their own in 4th place in their relevant league.
No comparison can be made between Ryan Blair and Jack Evans, totally different midfielders while, for many who watched Ben Davies during the club’s reserve league in the first season of the PL, there was nothing to choose between him and Joe Walsh, with both players alternating between left side c/back or left back in matches. Ben got lucky when Taylor was injured and best of luck to him.
The Falkirk scenario when the likes of Fulton, Kingsley, Biabi, Blair and Hearts midfielder King were signed was a decision that didn’t result in top quality players for the PL, but what can be said is that the club made a profit for the Kingsley deal to Hull and no doubt they will make money should they offload Fulton.
James Demetriou had problems off the field with gambling during his first season with us, made just 4 appearances during season 2014/15 for the U23’s and didn’t play another game for the club, released in May 2016 after earlier playing a couple of matches for non-league Wealdstone. Earlier this season he was playing for Bangor City.
After a handful of games in the U23’s keeper Steven Benda at the age of 19 is a better prospect for the first team than Zabret who was given an extended contract earlier this season at the age off 22, or even Lewis Thomas.
The huge comparison which should be made as far as the academy is concerned is that when youngsters are released they are far more likely to be still in the professional scene than in previous seasons. There is a large amount of talent in our current U23’s, sadly not for the first team, but the quality is increasing as the scouting system becomes more efficient and better quality schoolboys are signed.
2 seasons ago Henry Jones was the ‘star’ player in our U21 side and after his release he had a season at Bangor City and is now a bit part player in the Conference for AFC Fylde. |
One other thing you have forgotten is that our management and training are far superior to what they were 2 or 3 years ago. |  | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 00:00 - Apr 12 with 1318 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 14:55 - Apr 11 by glanmorjak |
I think when one compares the amount of cash we throw at the academy in comparison to other clubs, the bottom line for those rational amongst us, is how long before we should expect a return from our investment. A bit more difficult to get a return for a PL club than a Football League club however.
We have had a grade 1 academy for 2 seasons and even the most blinkered amongst us have to admit that there is a higher quality of players now coming through the system now than what there were 2 years ago. Youngsters from the U16's are regularly playing for the U18's while results for both the U18's and U23's this season show both teams to be holding their own in 4th place in their relevant league.
No comparison can be made between Ryan Blair and Jack Evans, totally different midfielders while, for many who watched Ben Davies during the club’s reserve league in the first season of the PL, there was nothing to choose between him and Joe Walsh, with both players alternating between left side c/back or left back in matches. Ben got lucky when Taylor was injured and best of luck to him.
The Falkirk scenario when the likes of Fulton, Kingsley, Biabi, Blair and Hearts midfielder King were signed was a decision that didn’t result in top quality players for the PL, but what can be said is that the club made a profit for the Kingsley deal to Hull and no doubt they will make money should they offload Fulton.
James Demetriou had problems off the field with gambling during his first season with us, made just 4 appearances during season 2014/15 for the U23’s and didn’t play another game for the club, released in May 2016 after earlier playing a couple of matches for non-league Wealdstone. Earlier this season he was playing for Bangor City.
After a handful of games in the U23’s keeper Steven Benda at the age of 19 is a better prospect for the first team than Zabret who was given an extended contract earlier this season at the age off 22, or even Lewis Thomas.
The huge comparison which should be made as far as the academy is concerned is that when youngsters are released they are far more likely to be still in the professional scene than in previous seasons. There is a large amount of talent in our current U23’s, sadly not for the first team, but the quality is increasing as the scouting system becomes more efficient and better quality schoolboys are signed.
2 seasons ago Henry Jones was the ‘star’ player in our U21 side and after his release he had a season at Bangor City and is now a bit part player in the Conference for AFC Fylde. |
Thanks for taking the time to provide such detail.
However we are not a charity for other clubs.
The facts are;
The Academy has cost a fortune on facilities and wages. There is zero chance it has made a profit through selling players. We spend £15m and get £50k back. Its bollox.
The Academy has contributed nothing to Swansea City in our Premier League era. All of Ben, Joey and Jazz all pre-date the big investment.
Bringing in unknown players from Scotland, and elsewhere, has choked the production line of local welsh talent, and has offered lazy coaches a quick way out. Think Kenji Gorre. More bollox.
The ‘success’ of the u23 team is meaningless without players regularly hitting our first team. Bollox.
Where are the young players ? |  |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 06:41 - Apr 12 with 1280 views | Loyal |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 00:00 - Apr 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Thanks for taking the time to provide such detail.
However we are not a charity for other clubs.
The facts are;
The Academy has cost a fortune on facilities and wages. There is zero chance it has made a profit through selling players. We spend £15m and get £50k back. Its bollox.
The Academy has contributed nothing to Swansea City in our Premier League era. All of Ben, Joey and Jazz all pre-date the big investment.
Bringing in unknown players from Scotland, and elsewhere, has choked the production line of local welsh talent, and has offered lazy coaches a quick way out. Think Kenji Gorre. More bollox.
The ‘success’ of the u23 team is meaningless without players regularly hitting our first team. Bollox.
Where are the young players ? |
Roberts ?
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 08:34 - Apr 12 with 1262 views | glanmorjak |
There are no arguments against what you are saying about spending a heap of cash on the academy facilities and wages, but when decisions are made to go down the road of academy status, especially in chasing academy 1 status, a club has to endure the cost. The basic argument in making this judgement, is it cost effective for OUR club or would it be better if the ‘model’ at Brentford was adopted.
The one huge criteria which is of vital importance is that NO comparison can be made at the funds thrown into academy football, between the Swans and 95% of all clubs in academy 1, especially the likes of Southampton and Brighton, where the name of Brighton’s academy, the American Express Elite Performance Centre tells it’s own tale at who is funding the club.
The decision by HJ to cast the club’s scouting net at promising players in Scotland in preference to spending all of that cash on one player, as any transfer would be, is a gamble, but at the time if our scouts had recommended Dundee’s young left back Andy Robinson who was sold to Hull for £2.5M, what a profit that one transfer would have made the club. At the same time a young Aaron Cresswell at Ipswich would have cost the same fee prior to his transfer to West Ham.
The academy is being flooded by agents, akin to travelling salesmen selling their wares at market places and this is a huge concern especially when one gets told that the young full back we had on trial earlier in the season from PSG was recommended by Wilf Bony’s agent.
I have always been a keen follower of the Swans’ youth players and can understand the problems facing the club when trying to sign the better local youngsters, as was the case of Jazz Richards when he initially signed for Cardiff, who, at that time, were swamping South and West Wales with their development centres. At the same time, HJ was dull enough to pay around £75K to Cardiff for Swansea born youngsters Kurtis March and Jordan Smith, yet HJ still remains in office dictating decision making not only for the first team but also players recommended to the academy. Since arriving in the PL, HJ has spent a lot of money on fees and wages in signing youngsters from other clubs, Adam Hughill, Jamie Proctor, Darnel Situ, Curtis Obeng, Kris Scott, Jernade Meade, Oscar Sielva, Gregor Zabret, Modou Barrow, James Demetriou, Matt Grimes, Raheem Hanley, Adnan Maric, Alex Samuel, Alex Gogic, Oli McBurnie, Tyler Reid, Tom Holland, George Byers, Jordan Garrick, Tom Plezier and Marco Dulca, while only Barrow’s transfer to Reading has seen a cash return on money paid out for players.
One of the huge downsides in signing any schoolboy is that a lucrative carrot has to be offered to the schoolboy and his parents in the form of a 1 or 2 year professional contract after he finishes his 2 year scholarship, as changes in young hopefuls can happen within 6 months of signing a form. Kyle Copp is one example when signed at the age of 14, as is Liam Cullen.
The one drawback I am personally finding with our U23’s is that the team has moved away from being a development team but become a team where results take priority, and makes good reading for the football club, and its academy. Nothing wrong with that you might say, but for me, its to the detriment of young players who I believe are going to ‘seed’ in the 23’s, playing too long in an environment that is not conducive to the physical aspect of the game. This needs to change. | | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 10:47 - Apr 12 with 1234 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 00:00 - Apr 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Thanks for taking the time to provide such detail.
However we are not a charity for other clubs.
The facts are;
The Academy has cost a fortune on facilities and wages. There is zero chance it has made a profit through selling players. We spend £15m and get £50k back. Its bollox.
The Academy has contributed nothing to Swansea City in our Premier League era. All of Ben, Joey and Jazz all pre-date the big investment.
Bringing in unknown players from Scotland, and elsewhere, has choked the production line of local welsh talent, and has offered lazy coaches a quick way out. Think Kenji Gorre. More bollox.
The ‘success’ of the u23 team is meaningless without players regularly hitting our first team. Bollox.
Where are the young players ? |
What is crap is this statement.
"The Academy has contributed nothing to Swansea City in our Premier League era"
You seem to have forgotten the efforts put in by Kingsley, McBurnie and Fulton all of whom stepped up when they were needed.
Admittedly they were not first choices, but they were there when we were desperate for players.
Like Roberts, James and Maric who stepped up for Cup matches to take the load off of our 1st team. | | | |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 14:54 - Apr 12 with 1183 views | theloneranger |
U23's have some big games coming up.
Defending champions Swansea City will host Sheffield United in the semi-finals of the Premier League Cup.
The Swans kept their hopes of retaining the trophy alive with a 9-8 penalty shoot-out victory over Brighton & Hove Albion in the quarter-finals.
Sheffield United reached the last four by beating Newcastle United 2-1.
In the other semi-final, Aston Villa face the short trip to Midlands rivals Leicester City.
PLUS
CAMERON TOSHACK BELIEVES SWANSEA CITY UNDER-23S HAVE A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO CHALLENGE FOR TOP SPOT WHEN THEY FACE PREMIER LEAGUE 2 RIVALS ARSENAL AT THE EMIRATES STADIUM ON FRIDAY (7PM).
The young Swans are fourth in the Division 1 table, two points behind an Arsenal side who are level on points with leaders Leicester.
Victory in London would mean the Swans could challenge for the title in their final game against Sunderland.
And Toshack feels they must be at their best if they are to beat the Gunners on their own patch.
“Tomorrow’s game is a big opportunity for us,” Toshack said. |  |
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 19:53 - Apr 12 with 1131 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 08:34 - Apr 12 by glanmorjak |
There are no arguments against what you are saying about spending a heap of cash on the academy facilities and wages, but when decisions are made to go down the road of academy status, especially in chasing academy 1 status, a club has to endure the cost. The basic argument in making this judgement, is it cost effective for OUR club or would it be better if the ‘model’ at Brentford was adopted.
The one huge criteria which is of vital importance is that NO comparison can be made at the funds thrown into academy football, between the Swans and 95% of all clubs in academy 1, especially the likes of Southampton and Brighton, where the name of Brighton’s academy, the American Express Elite Performance Centre tells it’s own tale at who is funding the club.
The decision by HJ to cast the club’s scouting net at promising players in Scotland in preference to spending all of that cash on one player, as any transfer would be, is a gamble, but at the time if our scouts had recommended Dundee’s young left back Andy Robinson who was sold to Hull for £2.5M, what a profit that one transfer would have made the club. At the same time a young Aaron Cresswell at Ipswich would have cost the same fee prior to his transfer to West Ham.
The academy is being flooded by agents, akin to travelling salesmen selling their wares at market places and this is a huge concern especially when one gets told that the young full back we had on trial earlier in the season from PSG was recommended by Wilf Bony’s agent.
I have always been a keen follower of the Swans’ youth players and can understand the problems facing the club when trying to sign the better local youngsters, as was the case of Jazz Richards when he initially signed for Cardiff, who, at that time, were swamping South and West Wales with their development centres. At the same time, HJ was dull enough to pay around £75K to Cardiff for Swansea born youngsters Kurtis March and Jordan Smith, yet HJ still remains in office dictating decision making not only for the first team but also players recommended to the academy. Since arriving in the PL, HJ has spent a lot of money on fees and wages in signing youngsters from other clubs, Adam Hughill, Jamie Proctor, Darnel Situ, Curtis Obeng, Kris Scott, Jernade Meade, Oscar Sielva, Gregor Zabret, Modou Barrow, James Demetriou, Matt Grimes, Raheem Hanley, Adnan Maric, Alex Samuel, Alex Gogic, Oli McBurnie, Tyler Reid, Tom Holland, George Byers, Jordan Garrick, Tom Plezier and Marco Dulca, while only Barrow’s transfer to Reading has seen a cash return on money paid out for players.
One of the huge downsides in signing any schoolboy is that a lucrative carrot has to be offered to the schoolboy and his parents in the form of a 1 or 2 year professional contract after he finishes his 2 year scholarship, as changes in young hopefuls can happen within 6 months of signing a form. Kyle Copp is one example when signed at the age of 14, as is Liam Cullen.
The one drawback I am personally finding with our U23’s is that the team has moved away from being a development team but become a team where results take priority, and makes good reading for the football club, and its academy. Nothing wrong with that you might say, but for me, its to the detriment of young players who I believe are going to ‘seed’ in the 23’s, playing too long in an environment that is not conducive to the physical aspect of the game. This needs to change. |
Agreed - mostly.
Makes a lot of sense.
Thanks for taking the time to post.
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| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 19:58 - Apr 12 with 1128 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Jordan Garrick - U23s on 10:47 - Apr 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
What is crap is this statement.
"The Academy has contributed nothing to Swansea City in our Premier League era"
You seem to have forgotten the efforts put in by Kingsley, McBurnie and Fulton all of whom stepped up when they were needed.
Admittedly they were not first choices, but they were there when we were desperate for players.
Like Roberts, James and Maric who stepped up for Cup matches to take the load off of our 1st team. |
You are easily pleased.
Massive investment made far out-ways the limited contributions of Kinsley and Fulton.
Oli - well who knows ?
The hard fact you are missing is that other clubs hard work produced all three of these players.
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