| Club Statement on 22:29 - Jan 20 with 1517 views | Shun |
| Club Statement on 19:46 - Jan 20 by SuddenLad |
It's not about 'mistakes' though, it's about attitudes. If it WERE about mistakes, then yes of course apologies should be considered, hands shaken and we move on - assuming that the apology is sincere and that it is accepted by the person wronged.
In this situation, IF the player (or any other) is ultimately found to be responsible (which I truly hope he isn't) then you have to consider the wider implications. Sometimes an apology will not be deemed to be sufficient.
Rochdale AFC would then be seen as a 'tainted brand' in the eyes of many and unfortunately, that stigma will stick, in the same way that we all accuse bURY of being 'cheats'. It matters not that the apology has been made, because it will be raked up at every opportunity and used as a stick to beat the club and supporters with.
As is always the case, no player is bigger than the club and if sacrifices have to be made, then so be it.
At the moment, it is perhaps as well that we are a League Two side, because a higher profile would attract a blaze of idiotic publicity. The farcical Suarez/Evra situation should never have been allowed to escalate in the way that it did, but once the press got a sniff it was all out war - one which carries on at every opportunity, whether deserved or not.
I repeat, I sincerely hope that we don't get to that stage and that the player is deemed to have been either 'misunderstood' or 'misinterpreted'. For the good of all concerned, let's hope. |
I don't think we'd be seen as a 'tainted brand' if he were found guilty. Look at the link ATP posted a few days ago regarding an Aldershot player being found guilty of racist comments and being banned for 8 ganes. Not one of us remembers that, so there's no reason to think that anyone outside of this club will remember this. |  | |  |
| Club Statement on 00:30 - Jan 21 with 1470 views | NotEyreClue |
| Club Statement on 20:34 - Jan 20 by SuddenLad |
I'm not questioning his attitude and no, I don't subscribe to the idea you put forward. Similarly, someone who has a pint of beer, isn't an alcoholic. It's about deeply held beliefs and attitudes. I don't make any such 'assumptions' about any individual. I do not know him, nor have I ever spoken to him.
As we all know, racism is the current 'taboo' and the problem is, others definitely won't see this situation in the same way.
Our football authorities in particular like to make a big statement about how well they run the game and with every sporting arena now emblazoned with anti-racist slogans we get a good idea of how important the issue is and how seriously they appear to take the problem (Unless you are UEFA investigating Serbia of course). Inevitably, any punishments will be 'deterrent' sentences.
The only person who can ever tell you whether any remarks were 'racist' is the person that uttered them.
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Perhaps I misinterpreted what you said, I thought you meant it's about attitudes of the accused as opposed to attitudes that everyone else will have towards us. Despite this though, I don't remember an incidence where a player has been shipped out because they've been found guilty of a racist offence.
I honestly don't see the wider implications being a problem either. The player in question might get a bit of stick from opposing fans (especially Dagenham) but a professional footballer should have no qualms with this. We don't seem to be in many people's good books anyway so I honestly can't see much changing. |  |
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| Club Statement on 09:13 - Jan 21 with 1413 views | TTNYear |
Well that's a load of 'flannel'. You're conveniently brushing a person not being able to apologise under the carpet just because it doesn't fit into your argument. Surely everyone has the right to repent. Are you taking that right away? Seems like you are. I agree the player is the only one who knows what he feels, this applies to both the incident and whether he truly is sorry. Unfortunately we do live in a time of 'spin', and the player may use this to lessen the damage incurred. But unfortunately neither you or me will be able to judge whether that is sincere or not and is unwise to do so. Time will be the judge if he is insincere.... The 'he should never wear the shirt again' argument kicks in when we see how it is dealt with by club and player. Dare I say it we could improve our 'tainted' brand if we positively deal with this incident whether we get your sacking or otherwise. |  |
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| Club Statement on 09:48 - Jan 21 with 1375 views | judd |
| Club Statement on 09:13 - Jan 21 by TTNYear |
Well that's a load of 'flannel'. You're conveniently brushing a person not being able to apologise under the carpet just because it doesn't fit into your argument. Surely everyone has the right to repent. Are you taking that right away? Seems like you are. I agree the player is the only one who knows what he feels, this applies to both the incident and whether he truly is sorry. Unfortunately we do live in a time of 'spin', and the player may use this to lessen the damage incurred. But unfortunately neither you or me will be able to judge whether that is sincere or not and is unwise to do so. Time will be the judge if he is insincere.... The 'he should never wear the shirt again' argument kicks in when we see how it is dealt with by club and player. Dare I say it we could improve our 'tainted' brand if we positively deal with this incident whether we get your sacking or otherwise. |
I'd only kick him out if he were
a) guilty
b) shit |  |
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| Club Statement on 09:59 - Jan 21 with 1366 views | dingdangblue |
| Club Statement on 19:46 - Jan 20 by SuddenLad |
It's not about 'mistakes' though, it's about attitudes. If it WERE about mistakes, then yes of course apologies should be considered, hands shaken and we move on - assuming that the apology is sincere and that it is accepted by the person wronged.
In this situation, IF the player (or any other) is ultimately found to be responsible (which I truly hope he isn't) then you have to consider the wider implications. Sometimes an apology will not be deemed to be sufficient.
Rochdale AFC would then be seen as a 'tainted brand' in the eyes of many and unfortunately, that stigma will stick, in the same way that we all accuse bURY of being 'cheats'. It matters not that the apology has been made, because it will be raked up at every opportunity and used as a stick to beat the club and supporters with.
As is always the case, no player is bigger than the club and if sacrifices have to be made, then so be it.
At the moment, it is perhaps as well that we are a League Two side, because a higher profile would attract a blaze of idiotic publicity. The farcical Suarez/Evra situation should never have been allowed to escalate in the way that it did, but once the press got a sniff it was all out war - one which carries on at every opportunity, whether deserved or not.
I repeat, I sincerely hope that we don't get to that stage and that the player is deemed to have been either 'misunderstood' or 'misinterpreted'. For the good of all concerned, let's hope. |
'in the same way we all accuse bury of being cheats' ? do we? |  |
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