| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:16 - Sep 12 with 1280 views | deezel |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 13:25 - Sep 12 by pioneer |
Yes sure, made in China no doubt, using 8 year old kids in awful working conditions - so lets lay off all the disabled workers Remploy employ - then they will all be on benefits and that will give you something else to moan about - too many disabled who wont work. All so simple isn't it? |
get your facts right...
i don't moan about disabled folk being on the dole
disabled folk can,and should be integrated into most workplaces these days, they don't need the outmoded model that was remploy to accomodate them
for the best part of the last 18 months most of the staff at the remploy next door have been reading papers, watching videos ect for long parts of the day, staright from the horses mouth...hardly an enriching work experience and the staff know it
i assume your "fact" about the chinese alternative is made up |  | |  |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:23 - Sep 12 with 1268 views | judd |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:16 - Sep 12 by deezel |
get your facts right...
i don't moan about disabled folk being on the dole
disabled folk can,and should be integrated into most workplaces these days, they don't need the outmoded model that was remploy to accomodate them
for the best part of the last 18 months most of the staff at the remploy next door have been reading papers, watching videos ect for long parts of the day, staright from the horses mouth...hardly an enriching work experience and the staff know it
i assume your "fact" about the chinese alternative is made up |
So what sort of job have you got that you can watch them lot doing fook all, all fookin' day?
And where do I apply? |  |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:30 - Sep 12 with 1261 views | firgrovedale51 |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 19:15 - Sep 11 by MoonyDale |
Without doubt the most accurate and sensible post on this thread...... |
You and Sudden jockey are both blind in so much as you will not accept facts read the reports . You are both obvıously biased against the city of Liverpool and its people you are really sad . | | | |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:35 - Sep 12 with 1251 views | D_Alien |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:30 - Sep 12 by firgrovedale51 |
You and Sudden jockey are both blind in so much as you will not accept facts read the reports . You are both obvıously biased against the city of Liverpool and its people you are really sad . |
Count me in as being "blind" too.
Drunken fans attempting to gain unpaid admission ON VIDEO are drunken fans behaving reprehensively, wherever they're from.
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:46 - Sep 12 with 1238 views | Banned4ever |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:16 - Sep 12 by deezel |
get your facts right...
i don't moan about disabled folk being on the dole
disabled folk can,and should be integrated into most workplaces these days, they don't need the outmoded model that was remploy to accomodate them
for the best part of the last 18 months most of the staff at the remploy next door have been reading papers, watching videos ect for long parts of the day, staright from the horses mouth...hardly an enriching work experience and the staff know it
i assume your "fact" about the chinese alternative is made up |
http://union-news.co.uk/2012/08/remploy-workers-in-lobby-of-factory-killer-minis
Do you really think a employer would take on, a person who is wheelchair bound
having to make ramps for access the widening of doors.
Building of disable toilets.
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 17:23 - Sep 12 with 1210 views | MoonyDale |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 16:30 - Sep 12 by firgrovedale51 |
You and Sudden jockey are both blind in so much as you will not accept facts read the reports . You are both obvıously biased against the city of Liverpool and its people you are really sad . |
So you obviously never saw the footage on the day then? or You are the one choosing to be blind, are you saying the film footage was fabricated? live on TV watched by god knows how many....Are you completely deluded? You are not worth arguing with if you can deny the evidence witnessed live.......I suppose man never landed on the moon either ...... |  |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 17:24 - Sep 12 with 1211 views | R17ALE |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 19:09 - Sep 11 by SuddenLad |
You're right of course, but the relatives need to find someone on whom to pin the entire blame. As long as that completely diverts attention away from the Liverpool supporters, of course. They will not rest in their quest.
I don't think people are afraid to speak out, it's just that people with "certain agendas" don't want to listen to any story that contradicts their own entrenched views. The truth is, that all parties present that day must each share the responsibility for what happened.
That may well be uncomfortable to accept for some Liverpudlians but the truth doesn't recognise accents.
Now, after the release of the documents, they will be baying for prosecutions and prison sentences. (Anyone will do - as long as it isn't a Liverpool supporter who was involved in the incident leading to the tragedy). When that doesn't happen - what next ? There's no end to this so-called campaign. Unfortunately, it won't bring one victim back, but it won't stop the obsession. |
Best post on the subject.
I imagine I'm a bit younger than you SL, so I ask of you a question. In your opinion, do you think the recent memories of Heysel, might have affected the judgement of those in authority at Hillsborough, and had it been any other club, say Everton, might the outcome have been different?
I'm not stirring, genuine question, as I was but a youngster at the time! |  |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 17:30 - Sep 12 with 1195 views | MoonyDale |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 17:24 - Sep 12 by R17ALE |
Best post on the subject.
I imagine I'm a bit younger than you SL, so I ask of you a question. In your opinion, do you think the recent memories of Heysel, might have affected the judgement of those in authority at Hillsborough, and had it been any other club, say Everton, might the outcome have been different?
I'm not stirring, genuine question, as I was but a youngster at the time! |
I wouldn't presume to answer on Sudden's behalf but I am in my 50s and remember both events well, in my opinion it had to make some difference to actions taken on the day, it is only human nature that it would do so....had it been another club at the time I think the police would have had a wholly different attitude, if it had been a Leeds or a Man Utd we would have probably seen a far heavier handed response from the police..... [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 18:14 - Sep 12 with 1162 views | fermin |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 17:24 - Sep 12 by R17ALE |
Best post on the subject.
I imagine I'm a bit younger than you SL, so I ask of you a question. In your opinion, do you think the recent memories of Heysel, might have affected the judgement of those in authority at Hillsborough, and had it been any other club, say Everton, might the outcome have been different?
I'm not stirring, genuine question, as I was but a youngster at the time! |
I can't really answer that question, but at the time I was going around the grounds and was on the old home terrace behind the goal at WBA. The almost unanimous initial view (ie around 3pm) when people around me found out that fans had died was that Liverpool fans had now sunk to the depths of killing their own fans through violence. I remember listening to my old pocket radio and passing on developments about the rising death toll to the WBA fans around me. It was only later that it filtered through what had actually happened, but the initial impression was definitely that Liverpool fans must have kicked off again and this time killed their own fans.
Everton were playing their semi-final at Villa that day and Everton fans I met at Birmingham New Street station were desperate to find out what had happend to friends and family. The Birmingham evening sports paper had printed a helpline number for relatives given to them by the authorities which I gave to the Everton fans. Unfortunately it was the wrong number, which did not help things. This was way before the era of mobile phones, so they had to find phone boxes before they could get info from whatever source (might seem quaint to the youngsters but that is how it was in those days!)
I remember reading a thread on the FCUM board a while ago on this subject. Clearly they are not exactly well-disposed towards Liverpool fans, but quite a few of them were saying that it could easily have happened to them. United fans also had a similar culture of jibbing (if I have got the term right) in those days i.e. trying to travel to games free and get into them without tickets.
Whatever the incompetencies of the police on the day I still find it odd that no Liverpool fans can say that the general behaviour of some of their fans was at least a (small) contributing factor. One FCUM fan who admitted to behaving in a similar way in the 1970s and 1980s said that if it had happened at a United game he would have felt guilty that his actions had had some influence on events that subsequently unfolded.
On the wider debate this reprinted article may be of interest:
http://www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/1152-september-2012/8991-post-hillsborough-disast |  | | |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 23:14 - Sep 12 with 1100 views | EllGazzell |
F**k me static.
Banned4Ever - You make that Tazzy-travel-quiz-bot look like William Shakespeare.
I've read all the way through this thread now and resisted the temptation to highlight the glaring discrepancies in your arguments and (f**k me isn't it just) appalling grammar, sentence structure and general abilities to. string; several, words, together.
Nearly everything you say (some stuff I simply could not de-cypher) is garbage. You need a more enlightened education, but without a braincell, your on a hiding to nothing I'm afraid.
Pioneer - I'm in the boat with Birchy and your comment about dementia warrants being called a prick - so here you are... PRICK.
MoonyDale - Billy 'I'll teach you some manners" Big Balls - I can't stand gob-shites giving it the big licks, you opened your trap, spouted out some shite and don't like the consequences. Well I'll back up what cemmyender said; without the aggressiveness he was bang on. I won't PM you for any lessons but, if the opportunity ever arises, I'll gladly say it to that ugly mug of yours I assume your avatar resembles.
The rest of it is an eclectic mix of misinformed, uneducated opinions which serves to prove exactly what's wrong with the UK at present.
Oh and big Phil... I seen them pictures of you from America, as I don't want to wake up next to a horses head, your dead right godfather ;P.
I'll piss off back into the undergrowth again until a sufficient volume of plebeians conspire to stir me to log-in.
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 23:58 - Sep 12 with 1071 views | SteTsGoldenBoot |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 23:14 - Sep 12 by EllGazzell |
F**k me static.
Banned4Ever - You make that Tazzy-travel-quiz-bot look like William Shakespeare.
I've read all the way through this thread now and resisted the temptation to highlight the glaring discrepancies in your arguments and (f**k me isn't it just) appalling grammar, sentence structure and general abilities to. string; several, words, together.
Nearly everything you say (some stuff I simply could not de-cypher) is garbage. You need a more enlightened education, but without a braincell, your on a hiding to nothing I'm afraid.
Pioneer - I'm in the boat with Birchy and your comment about dementia warrants being called a prick - so here you are... PRICK.
MoonyDale - Billy 'I'll teach you some manners" Big Balls - I can't stand gob-shites giving it the big licks, you opened your trap, spouted out some shite and don't like the consequences. Well I'll back up what cemmyender said; without the aggressiveness he was bang on. I won't PM you for any lessons but, if the opportunity ever arises, I'll gladly say it to that ugly mug of yours I assume your avatar resembles.
The rest of it is an eclectic mix of misinformed, uneducated opinions which serves to prove exactly what's wrong with the UK at present.
Oh and big Phil... I seen them pictures of you from America, as I don't want to wake up next to a horses head, your dead right godfather ;P.
I'll piss off back into the undergrowth again until a sufficient volume of plebeians conspire to stir me to log-in.
Sbohem. |
"The rest of it is an eclectic mix of misinformed, uneducated opinions which serves to prove exactly what's wrong with the UK at present."
What?
Not enough grumpy tw@ts or school teachers?
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 00:10 - Sep 13 with 1065 views | D_Alien |
So now we have the unedifying spectacle of people crawling out of the woodwork to point the finger at those who dared to express an opinion that in some way the thousands of Liverpool fans contributed to the crush - first of all, outside the ground, which then resulted in the exit gate being opened leading to the crush inside the ground?
And this, on the day when all the documentation and video has become widely available for the first time - shocking even Liverpool fans who suspected a police cover up but not the true extent of it?
Crawl back into your holes. Its incredibly trite to point the finger in the light of newly available evidence. I'd have more respect for your position if you'd offered it yesterday. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 03:45 - Sep 13 with 1028 views | pioneer |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 23:14 - Sep 12 by EllGazzell |
F**k me static.
Banned4Ever - You make that Tazzy-travel-quiz-bot look like William Shakespeare.
I've read all the way through this thread now and resisted the temptation to highlight the glaring discrepancies in your arguments and (f**k me isn't it just) appalling grammar, sentence structure and general abilities to. string; several, words, together.
Nearly everything you say (some stuff I simply could not de-cypher) is garbage. You need a more enlightened education, but without a braincell, your on a hiding to nothing I'm afraid.
Pioneer - I'm in the boat with Birchy and your comment about dementia warrants being called a prick - so here you are... PRICK.
MoonyDale - Billy 'I'll teach you some manners" Big Balls - I can't stand gob-shites giving it the big licks, you opened your trap, spouted out some shite and don't like the consequences. Well I'll back up what cemmyender said; without the aggressiveness he was bang on. I won't PM you for any lessons but, if the opportunity ever arises, I'll gladly say it to that ugly mug of yours I assume your avatar resembles.
The rest of it is an eclectic mix of misinformed, uneducated opinions which serves to prove exactly what's wrong with the UK at present.
Oh and big Phil... I seen them pictures of you from America, as I don't want to wake up next to a horses head, your dead right godfather ;P.
I'll piss off back into the undergrowth again until a sufficient volume of plebeians conspire to stir me to log-in.
Sbohem. |
Thanks for your intelligent contribution - I'll leave others to respond to the other parts of your diatribe but worth noting I never mentioned dementia, your pal Birchy did.
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 08:13 - Sep 13 with 992 views | BlueDutch |
"Drunken fans attempting to gain unpaid admission ON VIDEO are drunken fans behaving reprehensively", hell bent on seeing a game of football, nothing more, nothing less.
Sober policemen behaved reprehensively, by opening gates onto a full section of the ground, to aleviate a situation (not a problem) outside the ground.
Successive governments from both labour and conservative have to shoulder the blame, not just the ones who were in power at the time. Unless of course you are a staunch hater of all things "scouse".
Blaming the fans for the deaths is like blaming Munich on weather forecasters, or Ibrox on Jocks and drink.
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 08:27 - Sep 13 with 985 views | EllGazzell |
SteTsGoldenBoot - Correct. The world would be a much better place with an increase of quality teachers; education is the foundation for any civilised enlightened society. Grumpy - not really; Tvvat - possibly; school teacher - not.
D_alien - If you read back, I never alluded to Liverpool fans or opinions about Liverpool fans in any way shape or form. This thread contains discussions about a plethora of topics, all of which the named poster(s) had an excruciating lack of knowledge over, but an aggressive argument.
Moonydale - I am quite apt at reading, in fact it's one of my strongest points. As such, I read 4 pages where you had ample opportunity to refute Birchy attributing Dementia to your comment. Given Lady Thatcher's widely known condition, it's quite obvious what you meant. Notwithstanding this, anyone who thinks it's ok to wish a "slow painful death" on a UK political leader of any ilk needs to consider what they are saying. | |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 08:38 - Sep 13 with 981 views | wimborne_dale |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 12:39 - Sep 10 by Banned4ever |
How, about destroying whole, communities and peoples lively hoods
Miners,metal, workers and shipyards.
Selling, off cheap,BT,Gas/electric,Rail,netwoks, and now these companies are racking in big prophets and paying mega bonus to directors-and shareholders
While still being heavy, subsidised by the government.
3million, unemployed.
And, manufacturing A war with Argentina
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So presumably then, the Thatcher govt should have continued to pour many £millions of tax payers money into propping up loss making industries? (In which case previous govts should have continued to subsidise the horse drawn cart makers).
That would be OK if it were the same rules for everyone. If I run a business and it makes a loss, the govt (i.e. the tax payer) is duty bound to make up the short fall.
Now excuse me while I hand in my notice and set up a business exporting snow to Greenland. |  |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 09:13 - Sep 13 with 964 views | Banned4ever |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 08:38 - Sep 13 by wimborne_dale |
So presumably then, the Thatcher govt should have continued to pour many £millions of tax payers money into propping up loss making industries? (In which case previous govts should have continued to subsidise the horse drawn cart makers).
That would be OK if it were the same rules for everyone. If I run a business and it makes a loss, the govt (i.e. the tax payer) is duty bound to make up the short fall.
Now excuse me while I hand in my notice and set up a business exporting snow to Greenland. |
So presumably then, the Thatcher govt should have continued to pour many £millions of tax payers money into propping up loss making industries? (In which case previous govts should have continued to subsidise the horse drawn cart makers).
Governments are still pouring taxpayers money into the, privatised. Businesses
If they was really making such a heavy loss in revenue.
Would the private, investors be, interested?
Has the old saying goes Money goes to money. | | | |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 09:54 - Sep 13 with 940 views | TTNYear |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 09:13 - Sep 13 by Banned4ever |
So presumably then, the Thatcher govt should have continued to pour many £millions of tax payers money into propping up loss making industries? (In which case previous govts should have continued to subsidise the horse drawn cart makers).
Governments are still pouring taxpayers money into the, privatised. Businesses
If they was really making such a heavy loss in revenue.
Would the private, investors be, interested?
Has the old saying goes Money goes to money. |
I'm no psychoanalyst Charlie, but you sound a bit bitter. Are you a miner or sommat? Didn't know they had pits up Affetside tbf. I'm also guessing (and its purely a guess) that you are without work. |  |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 10:25 - Sep 13 with 921 views | Banned4ever |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 09:54 - Sep 13 by TTNYear |
I'm no psychoanalyst Charlie, but you sound a bit bitter. Are you a miner or sommat? Didn't know they had pits up Affetside tbf. I'm also guessing (and its purely a guess) that you are without work. |
1/Im,A. Socialist-Hate anything Tory.
2/Im.self-employed-but,been,on,sickness benefit for last,8month after longtime
in hospital. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 10:47 - Sep 13 with 903 views | D_Alien |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 08:27 - Sep 13 by EllGazzell |
SteTsGoldenBoot - Correct. The world would be a much better place with an increase of quality teachers; education is the foundation for any civilised enlightened society. Grumpy - not really; Tvvat - possibly; school teacher - not.
D_alien - If you read back, I never alluded to Liverpool fans or opinions about Liverpool fans in any way shape or form. This thread contains discussions about a plethora of topics, all of which the named poster(s) had an excruciating lack of knowledge over, but an aggressive argument.
Moonydale - I am quite apt at reading, in fact it's one of my strongest points. As such, I read 4 pages where you had ample opportunity to refute Birchy attributing Dementia to your comment. Given Lady Thatcher's widely known condition, it's quite obvious what you meant. Notwithstanding this, anyone who thinks it's ok to wish a "slow painful death" on a UK political leader of any ilk needs to consider what they are saying. |
Fair enough, and I apologise for misinterpreting your post, but my point stands to those who might still seek the benefit of hindsight. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 11:54 - Sep 13 with 869 views | SuddenLad |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 17:24 - Sep 12 by R17ALE |
Best post on the subject.
I imagine I'm a bit younger than you SL, so I ask of you a question. In your opinion, do you think the recent memories of Heysel, might have affected the judgement of those in authority at Hillsborough, and had it been any other club, say Everton, might the outcome have been different?
I'm not stirring, genuine question, as I was but a youngster at the time! |
My opinion for what it's worth as a well-travelled football supporter and someone old enough to recall events of 40 years ago.
Hindsight is a fantastic tool to use, but we have to remember (those of us who can !) the 'football hooligan' culture of the day and the fact that Police, Politicians and the Public were fed up to the back teeth of weekly events and regular news reports involving public disorder, drunkenness, sporadic violence and destruction that accompanied football fixtures. They weren't urban myths, they were facts and had to be dealt with on a weekly basis.
Also, though relatively rare, there had also been incidents of people being killed as a result of these outbreaks of disorder at football matches. A 14 year-old Blackpool fan had been stabbed to death at Bloomfield Road when Bolton Wanderers were the visitors and a supporter was killed when a wall collapsed during a mass fight in the Leeds United v Birmingham fixture a couple of seasons before Hillsborough. Rioting between supporters of some London clubs was almost commonplace.
There had also been many instances in the 1970's and 1980's when fans who were denied access to football grounds simply went on the rampage and caused untold damage and destruction in the areas surrounding football grounds.
It therefore became THE major priority to prevent public disorder rather than prioritise the actual football element of the day. Needless to say, supporters of the larger clubs who travelled in vast numbers soon got used to the idea that they would be admitted to grounds, even without tickets, simply because in doing so they were easier to control in a closed environment, than they were if allowed to maraud in teeming mobs around the locality.
That was the 'mindset' of the time. Travelling groups of football supporters (of any club) were a potential source of serious problems. Parliament, Police, Press, the FA and the general public had demanded that these supporters were treated 'robustly' and that preventing disorder was a priority.
From that point of view, it is a sad and unfortunate coincidence that the Heysel disaster had occurred only 4 years prior to Hillsborough AND that Liverpool fans had been instrumental in causing the deaths of 33 Juventus supporters. Some Liverpool were subsequently imprisoned for their parts in the tragedy. Because of that disaster, the public had their views further reinforced about football supporters.
Heysel had shocked the nation. It was still very much fresh in the minds of everyone and had served only to reinforce attitudes towards the way in which football matches were policed and in the way that supporters were controlled. It had been a watershed moment. (It's one of those 'I remember where I was when I saw it' moments - such was the impact).
Nobody doubts that much of what happened at Hillsborough was avoidable but we can't apply 21st Century thought to a 20th Century problem.
Yesterdays' report has served only to confirm what many people had thought for years. There was a 'blame culture' at work and because of (then) recent events and the entrenched attitudes of a 'fed-up' society it was easy to throw the responsibility onto the Liverpool supporters.
That said, anyone responsible for altering statements, concocting evidence to distort the truth or simply lying about what happened deserves everything coming their way. Whether any successful prosecutions are feasible after so long remains to be seen.
However, what shouldn't be forgotten is that the Hillsborough disaster wasn't solely the responsibility of the Police (which many Liverpudlians would have you believe) though without question they were completely overwhelmed and found seriously wanting on the day.
There had been two previous serious instances of crowd congestion at Hillsborough which had almost ended in tragedy - one only the season before.
Sheffield Wednesday had been repeatedly told that their STATED ground capacity was much greater than the ACTUAL capacity. That in itself was a contributory factor.
Whether supporters of any other club would have been treated any differently is difficult to say but faced with the same numbers of people, regardless of their origins, I would guess that the actions and attitudes of the Police would be the same - get them in the ground where we can control them and off the streets where they can run amok.
Undoubtedly, the reputation that football hooligans had accumulated in previous years had cemented attitudes and in the eyes and minds of ALL the relevant authorities, they had 'earned' their robust treatment. Of course that doesn't excuse what happened in any way but it helps to establish why they were herded into the ground. Ironically, the perimeter cages were erected for exactly the reasons that caused the disaster - to make massed groups of supporters easier to control.
For the record and contrary to the opinions of some posters on here, I am not a jockey (?) and I have absolutely no bias against Liverpool as a place or its' football supporters. The various action groups in Liverpool have justifiably been up in arms for the last 23 years about some of the things that happened on the day and the way that the subsequent reports were compiled and investigations conducted. I hope they now feel vindicated because many of them have suffered in an unimaginable way.
That doesn't mean that ALL Liverpool supporters were blameless. I wasn't at Hillsborough on the day, (I was at Old Trafford watching Derby County win 2-0 in a match being refereed by Ken Redfern !) but I have spoken to several different people who were there and they are all in agreement that the conduct of SOME supporters was a contributory factor. I don't think they can all be wrong.
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 12:14 - Sep 13 with 856 views | MoonyDale |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 08:27 - Sep 13 by EllGazzell |
SteTsGoldenBoot - Correct. The world would be a much better place with an increase of quality teachers; education is the foundation for any civilised enlightened society. Grumpy - not really; Tvvat - possibly; school teacher - not.
D_alien - If you read back, I never alluded to Liverpool fans or opinions about Liverpool fans in any way shape or form. This thread contains discussions about a plethora of topics, all of which the named poster(s) had an excruciating lack of knowledge over, but an aggressive argument.
Moonydale - I am quite apt at reading, in fact it's one of my strongest points. As such, I read 4 pages where you had ample opportunity to refute Birchy attributing Dementia to your comment. Given Lady Thatcher's widely known condition, it's quite obvious what you meant. Notwithstanding this, anyone who thinks it's ok to wish a "slow painful death" on a UK political leader of any ilk needs to consider what they are saying. |
EllGazell I have no idea what you are talking about, Not one of my posts have been about Thatcher at all.......All my posts have been about the football side of this dual subject thread, if you would care to show me otherwise I will stand corrected but as you will not be able to do so I will await your response..... | |
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 12:41 - Sep 13 with 840 views | judd |
One thing that is quite apparent is that the publication of the report yesterday has not changed the opinions held on here prior to its' publication.
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 12:43 - Sep 13 with 838 views | MoonyDale |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 12:41 - Sep 13 by judd |
One thing that is quite apparent is that the publication of the report yesterday has not changed the opinions held on here prior to its' publication.
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| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 13:31 - Sep 13 with 808 views | dingdangblue |
| One of the, darkest days in English football has it reached its final conclusion on 12:41 - Sep 13 by judd |
One thing that is quite apparent is that the publication of the report yesterday has not changed the opinions held on here prior to its' publication.
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I think the only way that wouldve happened was if the report had revealed that it wasnt Liverpool v Nottingham Forest after all - it was Manchester Utd v Nottingham Forest! |  |
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