| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 22:52 - Oct 22 with 1487 views | jack247 |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 22:24 - Oct 22 by QJumpingJack |
A poor game played by two poor teams. |
This is the crux of it. Could apply to a few of our games this season already |  | |  |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 08:50 - Oct 23 with 1059 views | onehunglow |
Wednesday a traditional behemoth of the game with passionate fans having to endure that garbage .
We are almost fortunate n comparison .
Itâs best we donât discuss our current chaps in the shirt and play indoor games instead | |
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| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 08:51 - Oct 23 with 1053 views | onehunglow |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 22:48 - Oct 22 by Whiterockin |
Vipotnik seemed to work hard closing down when we didn't have the ball, but when we did offered nothing. No decent runs snd didn't find space for himself. No goals no attemps poor show really. |
Heâs not exactly gifted but sorry,the service to him is almost non existent
Grimes closed down !
We all did | |
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| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:09 - Oct 23 with 1023 views | jack247 |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 08:51 - Oct 23 by onehunglow |
Heâs not exactly gifted but sorry,the service to him is almost non existent
Grimes closed down !
We all did |
The service will always be non existent to a static striker.
The service to Ayew was usually balls down the channel that he had to pick up and create his own chances from.
Piroe and McBurnie used to drop deep or go wide and get involved with play. Create half a yard for themselves and get a shot away.
I think the commentator said 13 touches when he went off. You canât blame other players for that. | | | |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:10 - Oct 23 with 1019 views | onehunglow |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:09 - Oct 23 by jack247 |
The service will always be non existent to a static striker.
The service to Ayew was usually balls down the channel that he had to pick up and create his own chances from.
Piroe and McBurnie used to drop deep or go wide and get involved with play. Create half a yard for themselves and get a shot away.
I think the commentator said 13 touches when he went off. You canât blame other players for that. |
Would you not agree that coaching could help on this regard
Whichever one looks at it,we are inept | |
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| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:24 - Oct 23 with 998 views | jack247 |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:10 - Oct 23 by onehunglow |
Would you not agree that coaching could help on this regard
Whichever one looks at it,we are inept |
Yes but to suggest he had a good game is laughable. He was atrocious. What do you think his strengths are? | | | |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:30 - Oct 23 with 983 views | Legend83 |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:09 - Oct 23 by jack247 |
The service will always be non existent to a static striker.
The service to Ayew was usually balls down the channel that he had to pick up and create his own chances from.
Piroe and McBurnie used to drop deep or go wide and get involved with play. Create half a yard for themselves and get a shot away.
I think the commentator said 13 touches when he went off. You canât blame other players for that. |
As I mentioned the other day, he was far from static against Blackburn but the balls never got to him. I genuinely wonder if he is getting fed up already!
Being a lone striker is 50% mentality - a continual battle of putting the last wasted run / half-chance to the back of your mind and resetting for the next one. It might only happen a few times a match. It's highly likely his lack of goals, chances, touches, involvement is playing on his mind and confidence then spirals.
Ayew, Piroe, McBurnie - sadly we are talking a totally different level there.
I also partly agree with OHL - while a lot of the deficiencies are on the player, Williams is obviously instructing Vip to stay up top and not drop in and get involved in build up play. He's not yelling at him to drop deep and was seemingly happy enough with what he was doing to keep him on for 86 minutes running around aimlessly by himself. [Post edited 23 Oct 9:43]
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| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:40 - Oct 23 with 963 views | onehunglow |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:30 - Oct 23 by Legend83 |
As I mentioned the other day, he was far from static against Blackburn but the balls never got to him. I genuinely wonder if he is getting fed up already!
Being a lone striker is 50% mentality - a continual battle of putting the last wasted run / half-chance to the back of your mind and resetting for the next one. It might only happen a few times a match. It's highly likely his lack of goals, chances, touches, involvement is playing on his mind and confidence then spirals.
Ayew, Piroe, McBurnie - sadly we are talking a totally different level there.
I also partly agree with OHL - while a lot of the deficiencies are on the player, Williams is obviously instructing Vip to stay up top and not drop in and get involved in build up play. He's not yelling at him to drop deep and was seemingly happy enough with what he was doing to keep him on for 86 minutes running around aimlessly by himself. [Post edited 23 Oct 9:43]
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Not Perch .
Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water | |
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| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:43 - Oct 23 with 957 views | Legend83 |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:40 - Oct 23 by onehunglow |
Not Perch .
Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water |
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| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:44 - Oct 23 with 955 views | onehunglow |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:24 - Oct 23 by jack247 |
Yes but to suggest he had a good game is laughable. He was atrocious. What do you think his strengths are? |
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Well,thatâs worth a debate on its own
Nobody had a â goodâ game
He is not lazy though at least not last night
He is forlorn,lost and confused and thatâs because he is on his own . Itâs appalling .Its not fair .
And heâs getting the crap when Grimes ,last night,gifted the ball that a less incompetent team would have buried and seen us lose the game against a team of that standard .
I read he closes down . Just wow.
This boy is clearly now the most overrated in our history .
He is untouchable
We have the highest possession stats . Lukey will use these to get a bigger job and blame lack of support for lack of success. Just like his mentor
The whole thing stinks | |
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| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:57 - Oct 23 with 939 views | Legend83 |
Having watched the extended highlights back, I would say Peart-Harris looked better in a midfield role - he looks pretty good on the ball and tried to be positive at least.
Abdulai did ok as well, lovely touch (after a good pass from Vip) to put Ronald in on goal for our best chance. | | | |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 10:18 - Oct 23 with 886 views | union_jack |
Having slept on it, I think the only good thing last night was a point earned away from home. Thatâs it! |  |
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| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 12:16 - Oct 23 with 788 views | jack247 |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:44 - Oct 23 by onehunglow |
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Well,thatâs worth a debate on its own
Nobody had a â goodâ game
He is not lazy though at least not last night
He is forlorn,lost and confused and thatâs because he is on his own . Itâs appalling .Its not fair .
And heâs getting the crap when Grimes ,last night,gifted the ball that a less incompetent team would have buried and seen us lose the game against a team of that standard .
I read he closes down . Just wow.
This boy is clearly now the most overrated in our history .
He is untouchable
We have the highest possession stats . Lukey will use these to get a bigger job and blame lack of support for lack of success. Just like his mentor
The whole thing stinks |
You said he was a âpositiveâ from last night. Iâm not sure what you saw. Anyone with a decent level of fitness can run directly at the keeper or centre backs when they are playing it out. Not any footballer, anyone. He contributed nothing when we were in possession, which was most of the time.
Replace Grimes with an average championship midfielder and you wonât see much difference. Replace Vipotnik with an average championship striker and youâll see a massive one. | | | |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 12:23 - Oct 23 with 763 views | jack247 |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 09:30 - Oct 23 by Legend83 |
As I mentioned the other day, he was far from static against Blackburn but the balls never got to him. I genuinely wonder if he is getting fed up already!
Being a lone striker is 50% mentality - a continual battle of putting the last wasted run / half-chance to the back of your mind and resetting for the next one. It might only happen a few times a match. It's highly likely his lack of goals, chances, touches, involvement is playing on his mind and confidence then spirals.
Ayew, Piroe, McBurnie - sadly we are talking a totally different level there.
I also partly agree with OHL - while a lot of the deficiencies are on the player, Williams is obviously instructing Vip to stay up top and not drop in and get involved in build up play. He's not yelling at him to drop deep and was seemingly happy enough with what he was doing to keep him on for 86 minutes running around aimlessly by himself. [Post edited 23 Oct 9:43]
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Genuinely, what did you see from him last night?
I could understand Jason Scotland doing that, he was explosive, had a trick in him, could shoot with both feet and was a threat in the air. Vipotnik doesnât seem, so far at least, to have any of that. He doesnt react quickly when the ball drops near him in the box, he doesnât bully defenders, he hasnât got a bit of magic and heâs easy to mark.
This bit is more a criticism of Williams, but I donât know why Vipotnik is asked to press hard on his own. Itâs one thing if youâre hunting in packs, but one player is just going to be passed around and burn energy needlessly | | | |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 13:33 - Oct 23 with 684 views | RichardO |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 12:16 - Oct 23 by jack247 |
You said he was a âpositiveâ from last night. Iâm not sure what you saw. Anyone with a decent level of fitness can run directly at the keeper or centre backs when they are playing it out. Not any footballer, anyone. He contributed nothing when we were in possession, which was most of the time.
Replace Grimes with an average championship midfielder and you wonât see much difference. Replace Vipotnik with an average championship striker and youâll see a massive one. |
And yet the pressing game part of a centre forward game is the part that Williams seems to rate higher than other parts.
He values Cullen for his pressing and the method of cutting down the angles and options on the ball for the opposition play on the ball, as we know Cullen is not an old fashion or out and out centre forward.
Yates was awful at the pressing game and of what we have seen did not offer enough up front, suppose you could look at Blackpools relegation and wonder did he offer enough up front there.
Vipotnik has not got to grips with the role that has been asked of him, it is a step up in standard for him with little experience at this level he does seem confused as to what is needed, continous pressing leaving no energy for other attributes he may have.
Kuharevich to me looks an out and out centre forward but is this what Williams wants? Seems as if Williams has no desire to use the skill sets he already has, maybe Kuharevich is unwilling to or unable to do the pressing game believing his other skills although raw and needing developing more than solely a pressing game which is pointless if it isn't done correctly and the whole team buy into it to execute it.
Josh Thomas seems to have an edge to him from what little I have seen but as with lots of players until they are given a run of games it is hard to tell whether he could maintain it for the 90 mins or has the experience to cope at rhe higher level or even do what Williams wants
It does seem as if we have no-one with the experience to deliver both what Williams wants or what the fans expect. | | | |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 13:53 - Oct 23 with 668 views | jack247 |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 13:33 - Oct 23 by RichardO |
And yet the pressing game part of a centre forward game is the part that Williams seems to rate higher than other parts.
He values Cullen for his pressing and the method of cutting down the angles and options on the ball for the opposition play on the ball, as we know Cullen is not an old fashion or out and out centre forward.
Yates was awful at the pressing game and of what we have seen did not offer enough up front, suppose you could look at Blackpools relegation and wonder did he offer enough up front there.
Vipotnik has not got to grips with the role that has been asked of him, it is a step up in standard for him with little experience at this level he does seem confused as to what is needed, continous pressing leaving no energy for other attributes he may have.
Kuharevich to me looks an out and out centre forward but is this what Williams wants? Seems as if Williams has no desire to use the skill sets he already has, maybe Kuharevich is unwilling to or unable to do the pressing game believing his other skills although raw and needing developing more than solely a pressing game which is pointless if it isn't done correctly and the whole team buy into it to execute it.
Josh Thomas seems to have an edge to him from what little I have seen but as with lots of players until they are given a run of games it is hard to tell whether he could maintain it for the 90 mins or has the experience to cope at rhe higher level or even do what Williams wants
It does seem as if we have no-one with the experience to deliver both what Williams wants or what the fans expect. |
The issue I have with the pressing is we donât have the players to do it. Without Ollie Cooper in midfield last night, Vipotnik was quite often doing it on his own. Always outnumbered, easy to pass around, just a waste of energy for a player who tires quickly anyway.
I think Williams has been dealt a weak hand and gets a lot of undeserved criticism on here. I canât for the life of me see why he has players pressing on their own though. | | | |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 14:33 - Oct 23 with 587 views | union_jack |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 13:53 - Oct 23 by jack247 |
The issue I have with the pressing is we donât have the players to do it. Without Ollie Cooper in midfield last night, Vipotnik was quite often doing it on his own. Always outnumbered, easy to pass around, just a waste of energy for a player who tires quickly anyway.
I think Williams has been dealt a weak hand and gets a lot of undeserved criticism on here. I canât for the life of me see why he has players pressing on their own though. |
You are emphasising the point that itâs not just the owners who are responsible for our predicament but also the lack of coaching or tactical nous by our head coach. Itâs the same thing every game, slow and toothless with no training ground plays or drills to be seen. | |
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| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 14:35 - Oct 23 with 586 views | RichardO |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 13:53 - Oct 23 by jack247 |
The issue I have with the pressing is we donât have the players to do it. Without Ollie Cooper in midfield last night, Vipotnik was quite often doing it on his own. Always outnumbered, easy to pass around, just a waste of energy for a player who tires quickly anyway.
I think Williams has been dealt a weak hand and gets a lot of undeserved criticism on here. I canât for the life of me see why he has players pressing on their own though. |
I agree but you have to remember Williams is also inexperienced at the level he is managing.
Think the team should be more selective as to when they press have they the players in place and organised to preform the press and have they worked the opposition to limit their options when we do initiate the press.
If we have midfielders lying deep to cover because our full backs have press high then we can only have a weak press unless the wingers close the players higher up the park, our full backs press out wide and the likes of Cooper can stop the play through the midfield but to do that we have to get a lot tighter to make life more differcult for the man receiving the ball. We got played around very easily at times on Saturday because we did get tight enough, good play by the opposition or poor play by us.
Press too much and commit too many forward has left us exposed before, a balance is yet to be found consistently to keep us on top in games keeping the pressure on teams. | | | |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 14:49 - Oct 23 with 563 views | union_jack |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 14:35 - Oct 23 by RichardO |
I agree but you have to remember Williams is also inexperienced at the level he is managing.
Think the team should be more selective as to when they press have they the players in place and organised to preform the press and have they worked the opposition to limit their options when we do initiate the press.
If we have midfielders lying deep to cover because our full backs have press high then we can only have a weak press unless the wingers close the players higher up the park, our full backs press out wide and the likes of Cooper can stop the play through the midfield but to do that we have to get a lot tighter to make life more differcult for the man receiving the ball. We got played around very easily at times on Saturday because we did get tight enough, good play by the opposition or poor play by us.
Press too much and commit too many forward has left us exposed before, a balance is yet to be found consistently to keep us on top in games keeping the pressure on teams. |
Seldom do / can I disagree with you on any football related matter but I do take issue with his lack of experience at this level. Though itâs true to an extent, if everybody and their dog can see the issues where we are struggling, he should see them and have enough experience to try different approaches on match day. He doesnât and I put this down to lack of ability (not experience) or lack of personnel; or a healthy dose of both. | |
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| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 15:25 - Oct 23 with 513 views | RichardO |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 14:49 - Oct 23 by union_jack |
Seldom do / can I disagree with you on any football related matter but I do take issue with his lack of experience at this level. Though itâs true to an extent, if everybody and their dog can see the issues where we are struggling, he should see them and have enough experience to try different approaches on match day. He doesnât and I put this down to lack of ability (not experience) or lack of personnel; or a healthy dose of both. |
He has had quite an influx of inexperienced players and trying to get that mix right is proving differcult especially with five changes available, he doesn't seem to want to make drastic changes as we are picking up points last thing we want is a downhill tail spin like last year which needed some old heads to steady the ship but it left him very little options to blood new players.
Maybe he needs to trust the fact that the defence are doing well and look at other areas to improve, the lack of a experienced forward would help but even Lowe had issues last year how often did it seem that wrong options were being taken same as this year. We seem to go forward in fits and starts if we have got possession high up the park why would you constantly give that advantage to apply pressure away.
More than happy for other posters disagreeing we can't all be right.đ | | | |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 15:31 - Oct 23 with 504 views | union_jack |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 15:25 - Oct 23 by RichardO |
He has had quite an influx of inexperienced players and trying to get that mix right is proving differcult especially with five changes available, he doesn't seem to want to make drastic changes as we are picking up points last thing we want is a downhill tail spin like last year which needed some old heads to steady the ship but it left him very little options to blood new players.
Maybe he needs to trust the fact that the defence are doing well and look at other areas to improve, the lack of a experienced forward would help but even Lowe had issues last year how often did it seem that wrong options were being taken same as this year. We seem to go forward in fits and starts if we have got possession high up the park why would you constantly give that advantage to apply pressure away.
More than happy for other posters disagreeing we can't all be right.đ |
In my opinion, you usually are. | |
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| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 15:35 - Oct 23 with 502 views | jack247 |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 14:33 - Oct 23 by union_jack |
You are emphasising the point that itâs not just the owners who are responsible for our predicament but also the lack of coaching or tactical nous by our head coach. Itâs the same thing every game, slow and toothless with no training ground plays or drills to be seen. |
Iâve never pretended Williams is above criticism. I think he gets way more than he deserves, mainly from people who donât realise how much of a disadvantage it is to have a paper thin squad and no real strikers.
Worse than that, the odd one or two who wrote him off before he started because he used to work under Russell Martin and wil stick to their guns regardless of what he does.
That doesnât mean I have to agree with or even understand every decision he makes. I think Vipotnik wasting energy pressing players on his own is crazy. There may be a decent explanation for it, but I canât think of one. | | | |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 15:40 - Oct 23 with 488 views | union_jack |
| Sheffield Wednesday v Swansea City : Match day thread GAME DAY on 15:35 - Oct 23 by jack247 |
Iâve never pretended Williams is above criticism. I think he gets way more than he deserves, mainly from people who donât realise how much of a disadvantage it is to have a paper thin squad and no real strikers.
Worse than that, the odd one or two who wrote him off before he started because he used to work under Russell Martin and wil stick to their guns regardless of what he does.
That doesnât mean I have to agree with or even understand every decision he makes. I think Vipotnik wasting energy pressing players on his own is crazy. There may be a decent explanation for it, but I canât think of one. |
I wasnât criticising your post. A clumsy reply on my part. | |
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