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Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 21:32 - Jul 23 by dantheswansman
I have no idea why some of the posters on this forum are languishing away on here, they should be leading Wales or Rangers, Barcelona or Real Madrid to yet another title, it baffles my brain why they would spend their time on here telling us mere mortals what needs to happen instead of leading a charge with one of the mighty clubs needing a manager, what a waste of time if the epitome of their knowledge is partaking in some online forum, it could be my imagination or it could be reality that they haven't got a #$%$#@ clue what they are on about, its easy to shout your runny brown stuff from here, go prove it and maybe someone somewhere might take you seriously
Excellent post
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 21:32 - Jul 23 by dantheswansman
I have no idea why some of the posters on this forum are languishing away on here, they should be leading Wales or Rangers, Barcelona or Real Madrid to yet another title, it baffles my brain why they would spend their time on here telling us mere mortals what needs to happen instead of leading a charge with one of the mighty clubs needing a manager, what a waste of time if the epitome of their knowledge is partaking in some online forum, it could be my imagination or it could be reality that they haven't got a #$%$#@ clue what they are on about, its easy to shout your runny brown stuff from here, go prove it and maybe someone somewhere might take you seriously
What a ridiculous statement to make on a forum for discussing football. As if fans are clueless bumpkins who should just pay their money, sit down and never have a single thought about what they're seeing, much less share it.
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Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 23:09 - Jul 23 with 824 views
Am I very enthsed about this season, no. But then I haven't been very enthused about many seasons in the last 10 years, just the one I think, Coopers second. I honestly thought we'd kick on.
On the other hand I'm not jumping in withthe doom and gloom scenario. I am hopeful we will see the improvement we hope for. Anybody with years of experience here knows we can't take pre season friendlies as a sign of anything. We can't judge anything properly until at least 10 games in.
We don't have long to wait now, for all my misgivings I am still willing to give Martin a few more months to show we are improved and still improving.
Is t so hard to give him that when the owners are clearly giving at least that? Unless we are in the relegation zone come January he won't be sacked, that seems clear. So for better or worse (as it always has been) we should support the team from the off and hope for the best but be ready to swallow the worst if that's whats gets served up. It's still OUR club.
Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 23:05 - Jul 23 by jasper_T
What a ridiculous statement to make on a forum for discussing football. As if fans are clueless bumpkins who should just pay their money, sit down and never have a single thought about what they're seeing, much less share it.
Correct.
Many have been heavily involved and studying this game for decades. Probably far longer than most doctors study medicine where people happily trust them with their own lives.
It’s a very silly suggestion that unless someone is currently employed as a football manager then they cannot make observations on the game they have watched religiously their whole lives. Of course, that should also mean you are unable to make what some deem as ‘positive’ observations too.
Very much in the mould of people commenting on political issues. If nobody has been the Prime Minister of England or President of the United States, then nobody should have an opinion…. by the same logic.
If that were the mentality that us as supporters ‘should’ have then Tony Petty wouldn’t have been ousted and would have been able to get away with what he likes.. because of course nobody on here as ever been owner of a professional football club, how could we possibly pass judgement that what he was doing was damaging?
Thankfully us true fans stood up and spoke up then, even in the face of idiots saying otherwise. That will never change.
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Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 23:16 - Jul 23 by Catullus
Am I very enthsed about this season, no. But then I haven't been very enthused about many seasons in the last 10 years, just the one I think, Coopers second. I honestly thought we'd kick on.
On the other hand I'm not jumping in withthe doom and gloom scenario. I am hopeful we will see the improvement we hope for. Anybody with years of experience here knows we can't take pre season friendlies as a sign of anything. We can't judge anything properly until at least 10 games in.
We don't have long to wait now, for all my misgivings I am still willing to give Martin a few more months to show we are improved and still improving.
Is t so hard to give him that when the owners are clearly giving at least that? Unless we are in the relegation zone come January he won't be sacked, that seems clear. So for better or worse (as it always has been) we should support the team from the off and hope for the best but be ready to swallow the worst if that's whats gets served up. It's still OUR club.
If we can’t judge until 10 games in… then why did we have to put up with all that nonsense all last season?
10 games into the second season, is 60+ games into his management. No doubt after that 10 games come and go, it will then be Xmas, then Feb to give the January transfer window time to settle, then it will all be about next season.
The cycle continues…
It’s by design.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 23:09 - Jul 23 by jasper_T
The season needs to start asap because this forum has gone fully toxic again.
It always does when certain individuals start trying to police views and insisting that unless everyone has their view (which I’m sure isn’t even a real view and one they feel they have to have due to peer pressure) - then you are not a real fan and are verbally abused with impunity.
That will never end well when they try that nonsense on strong characters that refuse to bow to their thought restricting gang mentality.
Bring it on is my response. There will only be one winner.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 23:46 - Jul 23 by Dr_Parnassus
It always does when certain individuals start trying to police views and insisting that unless everyone has their view (which I’m sure isn’t even a real view and one they feel they have to have due to peer pressure) - then you are not a real fan and are verbally abused with impunity.
That will never end well when they try that nonsense on strong characters that refuse to bow to their thought restricting gang mentality.
Bring it on is my response. There will only be one winner.
I logged off specifically to read this post, my curiosity just got the better of me and I wasn't really suprised at this,
"which I’m sure isn’t even a real view and one they feel they have to have due to peer pressure"
So if a view is disagreeing with Dr P it isn't a real view? Arrogant much?
Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 00:19 - Jul 24 by Catullus
I logged off specifically to read this post, my curiosity just got the better of me and I wasn't really suprised at this,
"which I’m sure isn’t even a real view and one they feel they have to have due to peer pressure"
So if a view is disagreeing with Dr P it isn't a real view? Arrogant much?
You don’t have to justify yourself to me, I’m sure you read most of my posts.
No, not if a view disagrees with mine - that is your words.
Take STID for example, he turned scathing of Martin for a few weeks until his gang were attacking anyone and everyone for speaking out - then he subtly pulled back into line and started doing the same… despite criticising him himself moments earlier.
If a view is the opposite of reality of what is clearly happening on the pitch and it’s backed with a militant and groupthink standpoint where everyone closes rank and attacks others - then it leads me to believe the view is not a genuine one.
One of those traits in isolation isn’t really important, having them all be present is incredibly telling.
To be happy being 15th and unhappy 4th just makes no logical sense. To then attack those making common sense observations whilst being 15th is also something that defies logic.
If a stand point doesn’t coincide with reality, changes depending on what others think, is fearful of debating the point - alarm bells start going off.
Hope that explains it.
No arrogance, just basic psychology and human behaviour.
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Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Dr P constantly accuses me of following others viewpoints. This in spite of me telling him that any views I hold are my own and as much as i like and respect many posters, I am happy to disagree with them over any football or non football points. He refers to my severe criticism of Martin at a certain point last season before changing my viewpoint again, but chooses to leave out the context. My anger at that time was based on two very long and frustrating trips to Peterborough and Blackpool. Although we won in the end at Peterborough I was personally unhappy with the overall performance, while felt at Blackpool we did not really compete. I was angry towards Martin, but as the Blackpool game was followed by a week's break, I had calmed down and my anger towards Martin had subsided. No peer pressure involved, just a personal change of viewpoint. Dr P is a dangerous revisionist who sets himself up as defender of the truth. Sadly he would not know the truth if it smacked him in the face. Cue arrows and selective quotes no doubt.
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 08:30 - Jul 24 by STID2017
Dr P constantly accuses me of following others viewpoints. This in spite of me telling him that any views I hold are my own and as much as i like and respect many posters, I am happy to disagree with them over any football or non football points. He refers to my severe criticism of Martin at a certain point last season before changing my viewpoint again, but chooses to leave out the context. My anger at that time was based on two very long and frustrating trips to Peterborough and Blackpool. Although we won in the end at Peterborough I was personally unhappy with the overall performance, while felt at Blackpool we did not really compete. I was angry towards Martin, but as the Blackpool game was followed by a week's break, I had calmed down and my anger towards Martin had subsided. No peer pressure involved, just a personal change of viewpoint. Dr P is a dangerous revisionist who sets himself up as defender of the truth. Sadly he would not know the truth if it smacked him in the face. Cue arrows and selective quotes no doubt.
Morning STID Read the second paragraph aask if that might not actually be that true. I don't really want to get personal but this is what I mean by example.
If I post a "negative" post about Wale/Swansea I can guarantee one poster in particular will pop up immediately as if I have insulted his prowess in the bedroom or worse,his driving.Then his chums will come along and join in. We should be better than this.
The season hasn't started and my hope is that is does not under the current coach /owners-the whole shebang but I am realistic to know we are stuck with them all. What I destest are people not liking this and saying they are not on this forum.
Nobody is truly confident or happy about this impending season.You know it ;I know it.
We have to face this together.
Meanwhile,Andrew Fisher will be our keeper this Saturday.
Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 08:30 - Jul 24 by STID2017
Dr P constantly accuses me of following others viewpoints. This in spite of me telling him that any views I hold are my own and as much as i like and respect many posters, I am happy to disagree with them over any football or non football points. He refers to my severe criticism of Martin at a certain point last season before changing my viewpoint again, but chooses to leave out the context. My anger at that time was based on two very long and frustrating trips to Peterborough and Blackpool. Although we won in the end at Peterborough I was personally unhappy with the overall performance, while felt at Blackpool we did not really compete. I was angry towards Martin, but as the Blackpool game was followed by a week's break, I had calmed down and my anger towards Martin had subsided. No peer pressure involved, just a personal change of viewpoint. Dr P is a dangerous revisionist who sets himself up as defender of the truth. Sadly he would not know the truth if it smacked him in the face. Cue arrows and selective quotes no doubt.
Dangerous? How?
Revisionist? How?
You aren’t happy to disagree at all, this thread shows that. The moment someone says something you don’t like you wade in with name calling and abuse.
You freely admit that you were laying into Martin for poor performances… yet fail to realise we came 15th last season. People are critical of him for the performances throughout the whole season. You only changed your mind when your gang ramped up their attacks on others.
It seems it’s okay when you criticise things, but not okay for anyone else to.
You are yet again wrecking more threads simply because you cannot defend your viewpoints without abuse.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 08:53 - Jul 24 by onehunglow
Morning STID Read the second paragraph aask if that might not actually be that true. I don't really want to get personal but this is what I mean by example.
If I post a "negative" post about Wale/Swansea I can guarantee one poster in particular will pop up immediately as if I have insulted his prowess in the bedroom or worse,his driving.Then his chums will come along and join in. We should be better than this.
The season hasn't started and my hope is that is does not under the current coach /owners-the whole shebang but I am realistic to know we are stuck with them all. What I destest are people not liking this and saying they are not on this forum.
Nobody is truly confident or happy about this impending season.You know it ;I know it.
We have to face this together.
Meanwhile,Andrew Fisher will be our keeper this Saturday.
The sky is crying
I am talking from a personal viewpoint. I have disagreed with you lately on certain point, however if other posters ( including those I know or share similar views with) I have not attacked you or joined in their disagreement with you for the sake of it ? This is my point. As you often state, my views are my views and are not tailored to suit "friends" on here
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 09:07 - Jul 24 by Dr_Parnassus
Dangerous? How?
Revisionist? How?
You aren’t happy to disagree at all, this thread shows that. The moment someone says something you don’t like you wade in with name calling and abuse.
You freely admit that you were laying into Martin for poor performances… yet fail to realise we came 15th last season. People are critical of him for the performances throughout the whole season. You only changed your mind when your gang ramped up their attacks on others.
It seems it’s okay when you criticise things, but not okay for anyone else to.
You are yet again wrecking more threads simply because you cannot defend your viewpoints without abuse.
Why does he need to defend his viewpoint!?
Maybe if he wasn't attacked for having a viewpoint then it wouldn't lead to a continual page after page of you attacking someone's view point because it doesn't suit what you think.
This is something that needs to change from you and not others. It's not about standing up to others, the issue is with you needing to get superior ground and be the better the person by making tyourself be correct in your head..... A lot of the time it just makes you look worse, Wether you want to see that or not is another issue and so on.
No one should need to defend an opinion, you can disagree with them and say I you don't think its right but no need to ask a million and one questions.... It becomes nagging.
What I would suggest to you, answer other people's questions and people might answer your questions, don't ask as many questions especially when they have already answered it in a previous one. Its all very passive aggressive from you and this is why so many get their back up with you......this type of approach is never just a question when it's passive aggressive, the one asking the question in this matter very rarely can see it as being passive aggressive and will a lot of the time sugar coat it up.
Try letting things ride by, try not replying so much and take some time now and again off here and spend time with your partner. You are constantly on here from first thing in the morning until late at night....... You'll have contributed more to this site than your own relationship.
You are young, start forging relationships and create ðŸ‘
Clearly Dr P cannot or will not acknowledge the truth that my criticism of RM was at a certain time only. If he or others choose to criticise RM or not does not define my viewpoint. The only thing that sways my viewpoints of anyone involved with Swans is performances. He is a revisionist as knows that from previous discussions yet refuses to acknowledge it.
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 09:28 - Jul 24 by STID2017
Clearly Dr P cannot or will not acknowledge the truth that my criticism of RM was at a certain time only. If he or others choose to criticise RM or not does not define my viewpoint. The only thing that sways my viewpoints of anyone involved with Swans is performances. He is a revisionist as knows that from previous discussions yet refuses to acknowledge it.
What he is, he is the person to whom he calls out.
Everything he states about people's downfalls and what they need to change, you can clearly put his name next to.
He needs to wake up and wake up quick, the clock is ticking for him and it will be too late......but there again, he would have been at the top of his profession and that clearly is the be all and end all. Unfortunately one of my mates put all his life into his work and has been successful but his life took a turn for the worse this week, its been a bad couple if years and reality has changed his mindset to work those last 2 years but the hammer has it firmer this week for him......3-6 months to cherish what is most important in life to him and that won't be work I can tell you.
Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 09:22 - Jul 24 by STID2017
I am talking from a personal viewpoint. I have disagreed with you lately on certain point, however if other posters ( including those I know or share similar views with) I have not attacked you or joined in their disagreement with you for the sake of it ? This is my point. As you often state, my views are my views and are not tailored to suit "friends" on here
You do not debate, you attack.
Daps does not hold the view he does, he is desperately trying to cover his own nonsense regarding Cooper and Martin. He hates the fact I called it right and is doing his level best to keep his head above water, Builth is the same and hates the fact I’ve challenged him and am clearly showing I was right. You tag on to their coat-tails with the likes of Whiterockin bringing up the rear.
We could be bottom of the league come Xmas and none of you will still admit you got it spectacularly wrong and attacked people for very valid criticisms which were very accurate indeed.
If you debated your position instead of attacking others then that would lead me to believe there is more than blind loyalty behind your viewpoint. As of yet I haven’t seen you rationalise your position once.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Expectations on Russell Martin this season on 09:37 - Jul 24 by magicdaps10
What he is, he is the person to whom he calls out.
Everything he states about people's downfalls and what they need to change, you can clearly put his name next to.
He needs to wake up and wake up quick, the clock is ticking for him and it will be too late......but there again, he would have been at the top of his profession and that clearly is the be all and end all. Unfortunately one of my mates put all his life into his work and has been successful but his life took a turn for the worse this week, its been a bad couple if years and reality has changed his mindset to work those last 2 years but the hammer has it firmer this week for him......3-6 months to cherish what is most important in life to him and that won't be work I can tell you.
Sorry to hear that. I know from bitter personal experience how quickly the status quo of life can change in a few short months. We all need to press the reset button now and again. Social media can become all consuming, as can work, and we all need to reassess our interaction with both now and again. Life has a way of kicking you when you are least expecting it
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
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