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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 12:59 - Dec 2 by 9MilesHigh
And what about the actual Doctors, epidemiologists and scientists that actually gave this advice in the first place?
What would you have them do, pull you a pint in The Riverside?
Childish thread.
The point he’s making is a valid one, he’s saying basically that the Health Minister and the Head of the Royal College ought to be one and the same; that the heads of the various ministries ideally would be experts in their respective fields, widely acknowledged men and women of proven ability whose opinions command respect on merit.
If I wanted mortgage advice I could rely on I’d come to you, I wouldn’t ideally go and see a train driver who had been briefed on the basics an hour earlier and was stumbling over his crib notes on autocue. We place our confidence in those with the relevant years of experience.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 09:57 - Dec 3 with 1270 views
Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 09:33 - Dec 3 by Lohengrin
The point he’s making is a valid one, he’s saying basically that the Health Minister and the Head of the Royal College ought to be one and the same; that the heads of the various ministries ideally would be experts in their respective fields, widely acknowledged men and women of proven ability whose opinions command respect on merit.
If I wanted mortgage advice I could rely on I’d come to you, I wouldn’t ideally go and see a train driver who had been briefed on the basics an hour earlier and was stumbling over his crib notes on autocue. We place our confidence in those with the relevant years of experience.
The head of the royal college might be of a different political persuasion to the Government so that won't work, the system of experts advising the Government is fine in principle.
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I think Drakeford has done a good job. He isn't afraid to take tough decisions - he hasn't got them all right , but who has.He has shown far more leadership the Boris has and he hasn't gone missing once and fronted everything up himself. He didn't catch the virus either
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 10:32 - Dec 3 with 1252 views
Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 09:57 - Dec 3 by trampie
The head of the royal college might be of a different political persuasion to the Government so that won't work, the system of experts advising the Government is fine in principle.
That wouldn’t be a bad thing necessarily, would it?
Facts provide a sound check and balance to ideology.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 10:45 - Dec 3 with 1240 views
Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 10:32 - Dec 3 by Lohengrin
That wouldn’t be a bad thing necessarily, would it?
Facts provide a sound check and balance to ideology.
The check could be said to be the other way round to stop institutionalised people who have only interest and knowledge of one subject spending all the money in their area at the expense of other areas.
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 09:33 - Dec 3 by Lohengrin
The point he’s making is a valid one, he’s saying basically that the Health Minister and the Head of the Royal College ought to be one and the same; that the heads of the various ministries ideally would be experts in their respective fields, widely acknowledged men and women of proven ability whose opinions command respect on merit.
If I wanted mortgage advice I could rely on I’d come to you, I wouldn’t ideally go and see a train driver who had been briefed on the basics an hour earlier and was stumbling over his crib notes on autocue. We place our confidence in those with the relevant years of experience.
Absolutely.
Today, Foreign Secretary, tomorrow Education Secretary. Next reshuffle, Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Their versatility is mind boggling.
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 10:56 - Dec 3 with 1228 views
Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 10:18 - Dec 3 by controversial_jack
I think Drakeford has done a good job. He isn't afraid to take tough decisions - he hasn't got them all right , but who has.He has shown far more leadership the Boris has and he hasn't gone missing once and fronted everything up himself. He didn't catch the virus either
Yes. Do you recall when Boris was Foreign Secretary and had stated his opposition to the 3rd runway at Heathrow in terms of throwing himself in front of the bulldozers?
Then came the vote in Parliament and, showing himself to be a man of principle, buggers off to Afghanistan.
Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 09:57 - Dec 3 by trampie
The head of the royal college might be of a different political persuasion to the Government so that won't work, the system of experts advising the Government is fine in principle.
In principle yes.
Unfortunately the Government frequently ignores the expert advice if it doesn't fit with their agenda and budget. Expert advice tends to look at long term improvements which can take longer than one Parliament to materialise whilst the government want a quick fix which will help them at the next election.
Political short termism is a reason why things as important as health and education should be taken out of politics and a consensus long term plan should be adopted and followed by all governments.
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 10:56 - Dec 3 by YrAlarch
Yes. Do you recall when Boris was Foreign Secretary and had stated his opposition to the 3rd runway at Heathrow in terms of throwing himself in front of the bulldozers?
Then came the vote in Parliament and, showing himself to be a man of principle, buggers off to Afghanistan.
How can you respect someone like that.
I have no idea what you are on about
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 11:22 - Dec 3 with 1208 views
Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 10:18 - Dec 3 by controversial_jack
I think Drakeford has done a good job. He isn't afraid to take tough decisions - he hasn't got them all right , but who has.He has shown far more leadership the Boris has and he hasn't gone missing once and fronted everything up himself. He didn't catch the virus either
i agree totally. Johnson was telling all everything would be back to normal. Drakeford responded by saying he was being too optimistic. Johnson opened up places when cases were rising. His opening of sports grounds in England in September being the height of folly. Opening borders and using air bridges was another stupid policy. It was this policy that has led to the spike throughout the UK with people bringing back viruses that led to the increase through pubs and people socialising in private homes. Without him trying to open up everything we wouldnt be in the current scenario.
Scotia seems to blame Drakeford for everything whilst standing up for landlords. Havent yet seen him criticising his beloved Boss Brewey Bar for flouting coronavirus rules. How many pubs have flouted them. Three Compasses in Clydach, White Swan, Copper Bar, Old Havana and one on Wind Street. Noah's Yard in Uplands and the Villiers was opening during the first lockdown. This has nothing to do with Drakeford but pubs deliberately flouting the rules. Old Havana didnt even act after being told earlier on Beaujolais day they were breaking them.
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 11:31 - Dec 3 with 1204 views
Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 10:45 - Dec 3 by trampie
The check could be said to be the other way round to stop institutionalised people who have only interest and knowledge of one subject spending all the money in their area at the expense of other areas.
Well these are all hypotheticals we’re dealing in, Tramp. It all comes down to where you’d place your faith. I’d place mine in experts having sounder instincts and exercising better judgement than most every professional politician.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 11:41 - Dec 3 with 1200 views
Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 11:20 - Dec 3 by Joe_bradshaw
In principle yes.
Unfortunately the Government frequently ignores the expert advice if it doesn't fit with their agenda and budget. Expert advice tends to look at long term improvements which can take longer than one Parliament to materialise whilst the government want a quick fix which will help them at the next election.
Political short termism is a reason why things as important as health and education should be taken out of politics and a consensus long term plan should be adopted and followed by all governments.
Having a long term plan for 'nationalised' health and education would be workable with left wing Governments but not with the Tories about as their goal given half a chance would be to privitise health and get rid of state education as much as possible.
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 08:44 - Dec 3 by Vincent_Vega
The Drake is doing a marvelous job in returning Wales to the dark ages. He's like he's on double doses of Valium the colossal div.
Wont matter anyway I don't think he'll stand in the next elections anyway which means the Welsh public can continue to vote Labour in election after election after election. yey
Totally agree, no doubt the reins will be handed over to the condensing prick Gething.
Wales will be similar to Albania (without the weather) in a few years.
How people outside of Cardiff continue to put Labour into government in Wales is baffling.
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 12:40 - Dec 3 with 1174 views
Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 11:31 - Dec 3 by Lohengrin
Well these are all hypotheticals we’re dealing in, Tramp. It all comes down to where you’d place your faith. I’d place mine in experts having sounder instincts and exercising better judgement than most every professional politician.
That's part of my reasoning. Also, I'd back a real medically qualified and experienced person to fully understand what other experts were telling him/her and so be able to challenge anything to ensure the advice is sound.
As it stands we have politicians being told things and I bet Hancock/Bojo or Drakers/Gething either don't understand bits or have to have it dumbed down for them.
Hancock would be fine in the treasury, Gething would be fine in the ministry of Justice but running our health services? No thanks.
I'll add something else which my wife said. The NHS was formed as a NATIONAL health service, not a devolved service that has different standards and outcomes, that sees a health postcode lottery allowing some people treatment but others with the same illnesses to die. If I'd lived in England I'd have had a new hip 4 years ago and my other health problems may never have happened.
Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 12:40 - Dec 3 by Catullus
That's part of my reasoning. Also, I'd back a real medically qualified and experienced person to fully understand what other experts were telling him/her and so be able to challenge anything to ensure the advice is sound.
As it stands we have politicians being told things and I bet Hancock/Bojo or Drakers/Gething either don't understand bits or have to have it dumbed down for them.
Hancock would be fine in the treasury, Gething would be fine in the ministry of Justice but running our health services? No thanks.
I'll add something else which my wife said. The NHS was formed as a NATIONAL health service, not a devolved service that has different standards and outcomes, that sees a health postcode lottery allowing some people treatment but others with the same illnesses to die. If I'd lived in England I'd have had a new hip 4 years ago and my other health problems may never have happened.
The health postcode lottery exists within England mind.
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 20:03 - Dec 2 by Neath_Jack
Get over myself? For pointing out that you are talking gubbins?
Aye right though
Yet again you jump in without understanding the context of the comments made. Restaurants and pubs and other establishments have control measures in place such as social distancing one way systems, sanitising stations, limitations on the amount able to enter, for an example ASDA as I post this have 7 department managers off isolating some with some without the virus , they've wandered about amongst the thousands of customers who are left to browse sniff , touch breath on thousands of products followed by another thousand or so doing exactly the same thing , numbers are not quite the same when compared against restaurants and the like ?
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 16:27 - Dec 3 with 1101 views
Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 22:09 - Dec 2 by 9MilesHigh
Note.
Next time you post make sure you do a tiny bit of research first.
It will stand you in good stead and avoid looking like a right plumb ðŸ‘
You know where you can stick your thumb mate , though being the thoroughly nice person I am I suggest you make sure you wipe it first before returning it to your mouth.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 16:55 - Dec 3 with 1092 views
Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 09:33 - Dec 3 by Lohengrin
The point he’s making is a valid one, he’s saying basically that the Health Minister and the Head of the Royal College ought to be one and the same; that the heads of the various ministries ideally would be experts in their respective fields, widely acknowledged men and women of proven ability whose opinions command respect on merit.
If I wanted mortgage advice I could rely on I’d come to you, I wouldn’t ideally go and see a train driver who had been briefed on the basics an hour earlier and was stumbling over his crib notes on autocue. We place our confidence in those with the relevant years of experience.
Ha, nice plug, Who are ya then?? ;-)
But no, the point he was making came later in the thread, I agree with that. I was referring to the context of the OP.
But that's what Drakeford is doing, he's not gone to Tim Martin and asked his advice on the best course of action on the locking down of entertainment and light refreshment venues.
He's not even taken Gethin's advice.
He's gone with SAGE.
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 16:56 - Dec 3 with 1090 views
Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 11:20 - Dec 3 by Joe_bradshaw
In principle yes.
Unfortunately the Government frequently ignores the expert advice if it doesn't fit with their agenda and budget. Expert advice tends to look at long term improvements which can take longer than one Parliament to materialise whilst the government want a quick fix which will help them at the next election.
Political short termism is a reason why things as important as health and education should be taken out of politics and a consensus long term plan should be adopted and followed by all governments.
Precisely and this makes it all the more admirable what Drakeford has done. The elections are around the corner and he knew full well before shutting down the pubs what the reaction on the street would be.
People before politics.
Courage.
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Should Dippy Drakeford do us all a massive favour and just bog off? on 16:59 - Dec 3 with 1088 views
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