| Solar panels 10:32 - Jul 2 with 10964 views | AguycalledJack |
I posted on the new site, but as that appears to be currently down, does anybody have them? Pros and cons? [Post edited 2 Jul 2020 10:33]
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| Solar panels on 19:31 - Jul 2 with 2058 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Solar panels on 19:27 - Jul 2 by Catullus |
That is down to government policy though. The government has looked after it';s rich friends. That is just my opinion of course.
I think all utilities should be nationalised and that includes renewables, the government should pay for all of it not give money to private business that costs tax payers a fortune. Then, when the renewables have paid for themselves the profits should be used to keep taxes down OR the utility should be run as not for profit.
If you can't agree that fossil fuels are destroying the planet then think about the recent lockdown, UK air pollution more than halved in many areas because most vehicles weren't being used. There was an increase in pollution is some areas caused by fossil fuel using power stations ramping up production. |
Have you ever bothered to look at the official figures of where Air Polution originates from, especially in cities? [Post edited 2 Jul 2020 19:34]
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| Solar panels on 19:33 - Jul 2 with 2057 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Solar panels on 19:27 - Jul 2 by Catullus |
That is down to government policy though. The government has looked after it';s rich friends. That is just my opinion of course.
I think all utilities should be nationalised and that includes renewables, the government should pay for all of it not give money to private business that costs tax payers a fortune. Then, when the renewables have paid for themselves the profits should be used to keep taxes down OR the utility should be run as not for profit.
If you can't agree that fossil fuels are destroying the planet then think about the recent lockdown, UK air pollution more than halved in many areas because most vehicles weren't being used. There was an increase in pollution is some areas caused by fossil fuel using power stations ramping up production. |
I agree about the Utilities, Thatcher selling them off and Blair and co continuing with that policy was a disaster for this country, we own very little of it now. | | | |
| Solar panels on 20:37 - Jul 2 with 2026 views | A_Fans_Dad |
I am not arguing that the lockdown has not reduced air pollution, how could it not do so.
Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but it is hard to find anything other than scare stories on Air Pollution.
This is not the report that I was looking for which breaks down types of air pollution and types of traffic by percentages, but it will do for a start.
To start
Sources of PM
Particulate emissions in the UK come from:
38% from burning wood and coal in domestic open fires and solid fuel stoves
12% from road transport
13% from solvent use and industrial processes
16% from industrial combustion (non-domestic burning)
Here is the report, unfortunately as I said it doesn't have the traffic split in this one.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/air-quality-explaining-air-pollution/
Now I ask you this, if only 12% comes from all Traffic why was there such a large reduction in pollution when mostly only passenger traffic was reduced by 75%?
I will see if I can find the report that has the traffic split and the what the traffic actually contributes to the probem. ie
Exhaust Emmissions
Brake Dust
Tyre Dust
Road Dust | | | |
| Solar panels on 20:43 - Jul 2 with 2017 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Solar panels on 20:37 - Jul 2 by A_Fans_Dad |
I am not arguing that the lockdown has not reduced air pollution, how could it not do so.
Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but it is hard to find anything other than scare stories on Air Pollution.
This is not the report that I was looking for which breaks down types of air pollution and types of traffic by percentages, but it will do for a start.
To start
Sources of PM
Particulate emissions in the UK come from:
38% from burning wood and coal in domestic open fires and solid fuel stoves
12% from road transport
13% from solvent use and industrial processes
16% from industrial combustion (non-domestic burning)
Here is the report, unfortunately as I said it doesn't have the traffic split in this one.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/air-quality-explaining-air-pollution/
Now I ask you this, if only 12% comes from all Traffic why was there such a large reduction in pollution when mostly only passenger traffic was reduced by 75%?
I will see if I can find the report that has the traffic split and the what the traffic actually contributes to the probem. ie
Exhaust Emmissions
Brake Dust
Tyre Dust
Road Dust |
I would also like to bring to your attention this chart of how polluted the country used to in the 70s, which were no where as polluted as the 1950s & 1960s when we used to have the Smogs.
Here is the report, well it would be if it hadn't been disappeared, which you can see for yourself.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attac
I will see if I can find another copy of it somewhere other than a Climate Change Denier Forum which I know you won't believe. | | | |
| Solar panels on 22:48 - Jul 2 with 1972 views | DJack |
| Solar panels on 16:01 - Jul 2 by londonlisa2001 |
“ No Wind, no Solar and no EVs,
No money back no guarantees,“ |
I can guess which street you were making your purchases on. |  |
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| Solar panels on 11:19 - Jul 3 with 1902 views | Professor |
| Solar panels on 20:37 - Jul 2 by A_Fans_Dad |
I am not arguing that the lockdown has not reduced air pollution, how could it not do so.
Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but it is hard to find anything other than scare stories on Air Pollution.
This is not the report that I was looking for which breaks down types of air pollution and types of traffic by percentages, but it will do for a start.
To start
Sources of PM
Particulate emissions in the UK come from:
38% from burning wood and coal in domestic open fires and solid fuel stoves
12% from road transport
13% from solvent use and industrial processes
16% from industrial combustion (non-domestic burning)
Here is the report, unfortunately as I said it doesn't have the traffic split in this one.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/air-quality-explaining-air-pollution/
Now I ask you this, if only 12% comes from all Traffic why was there such a large reduction in pollution when mostly only passenger traffic was reduced by 75%?
I will see if I can find the report that has the traffic split and the what the traffic actually contributes to the probem. ie
Exhaust Emmissions
Brake Dust
Tyre Dust
Road Dust |
Thats's also just particulates which are not released as much my modern engines. These and sulphur dioxide are down as we burn less coal, and have less sulphur in fuels. This does improve air quality which has risen sharply in my lifetime. However....
Carbon and nitrogen oxides (along with methane) are the factors driving global heating mainly from energy and transport with some from agriculture. | | | |
| Solar panels on 11:44 - Jul 3 with 1889 views | felixstowe_jack |
An estimated 28,000 to 36,000 deaths are caused annually in the UK due to long term exposure to air pollution. Any measure to reduce air pollution are welcome. | |
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| Solar panels on 11:47 - Jul 3 with 1888 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Solar panels on 11:19 - Jul 3 by Professor |
Thats's also just particulates which are not released as much my modern engines. These and sulphur dioxide are down as we burn less coal, and have less sulphur in fuels. This does improve air quality which has risen sharply in my lifetime. However....
Carbon and nitrogen oxides (along with methane) are the factors driving global heating mainly from energy and transport with some from agriculture. |
No, none of them created by man are driving global heating (I see you are using the new scare word instead of warming), coming out of the little Ice Age is driving any warming.
CO2, which is by far the biggest so called greenhouse gas reached LWIR saturation long ago.
Water is the real controller of of the global climate.
By the way for Methane look up Termites.
Would you like to really discuss Global Warming or have you got a closed mind?
I will leave you with a question.
Assuming you know which gases absorb and re-radiate LWIR photons from the surface and which do not.
Which Gas is assisting in cooling the earth's surface? | | | |
| Solar panels on 11:53 - Jul 3 with 1881 views | Scotia |
| Solar panels on 11:47 - Jul 3 by A_Fans_Dad |
No, none of them created by man are driving global heating (I see you are using the new scare word instead of warming), coming out of the little Ice Age is driving any warming.
CO2, which is by far the biggest so called greenhouse gas reached LWIR saturation long ago.
Water is the real controller of of the global climate.
By the way for Methane look up Termites.
Would you like to really discuss Global Warming or have you got a closed mind?
I will leave you with a question.
Assuming you know which gases absorb and re-radiate LWIR photons from the surface and which do not.
Which Gas is assisting in cooling the earth's surface? |
Does Methane casue global warming of any description? Yes or No will do.
And I must say in our last climate change debate it was clear who's mind is closed, yours is made up and based easily refuted nonsense from highly questionable sources. You are obviously out to convince yourself that climate change is some form of conspiracy, and you have done a decent job of it. Anyone with an open mind can only really come to one ultimate consclusion regarding anthropogenic climate change. [Post edited 3 Jul 2020 12:00]
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| Solar panels on 11:55 - Jul 3 with 1881 views | LeonWasGod |
| Solar panels on 15:26 - Jul 2 by A_Fans_Dad |
I know bullshit when I read it and that is what you have just written.
Without subsidies there would be no renewable anything.
No Wind, no Solar and no EVs, fortunes are being made off of the backs of Tax payers and Energy users all over the world.
Your closest friend must be a green nut to believe that any kind of non baseload renewables is good a thing for the grid.
Only hydro & pumped hydro back up is any use what so ever.
Where we need to look is at SMRs and especially MSRs which burn nuclear waste. Baseload has 2 to 3 times the life of Wind & Solar, so they are all going to have to be replaced at enormous costs in both cash and polution.
But you believe what you want and I will believe what I want. |
Wait til you find out how many subsidies the fossil fuel industry receives - it'll blow your mind |  | | |
| Solar panels on 11:58 - Jul 3 with 1874 views | Professor |
| Solar panels on 11:53 - Jul 3 by Scotia |
Does Methane casue global warming of any description? Yes or No will do.
And I must say in our last climate change debate it was clear who's mind is closed, yours is made up and based easily refuted nonsense from highly questionable sources. You are obviously out to convince yourself that climate change is some form of conspiracy, and you have done a decent job of it. Anyone with an open mind can only really come to one ultimate consclusion regarding anthropogenic climate change. [Post edited 3 Jul 2020 12:00]
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| Solar panels on 12:17 - Jul 3 with 1863 views | Professor |
| Solar panels on 11:47 - Jul 3 by A_Fans_Dad |
No, none of them created by man are driving global heating (I see you are using the new scare word instead of warming), coming out of the little Ice Age is driving any warming.
CO2, which is by far the biggest so called greenhouse gas reached LWIR saturation long ago.
Water is the real controller of of the global climate.
By the way for Methane look up Termites.
Would you like to really discuss Global Warming or have you got a closed mind?
I will leave you with a question.
Assuming you know which gases absorb and re-radiate LWIR photons from the surface and which do not.
Which Gas is assisting in cooling the earth's surface? |
Must be hard finding the 2^% of science which is skeptical of climate change. Carbon Dioxide though methane more efficient. Rice is biggest source of methane though termites
Like ruminants produce it too. Grass fed ruminants are pretty GHG neutral. Grain fed not. | | | |
| Solar panels on 12:29 - Jul 3 with 1857 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Solar panels on 11:44 - Jul 3 by felixstowe_jack |
An estimated 28,000 to 36,000 deaths are caused annually in the UK due to long term exposure to air pollution. Any measure to reduce air pollution are welcome. |
I agree that reducing pollution is a good thing, nobody wants to breath in rubbish.
But do you believe those numbers, has anyone ever seen "pollution" on a death certificate as a contributary factor?
The key word here is "estimated", they don't actually know, we have see what estimated means in the COVID-19 data, totally wrong most of the time.
Do you know what the description of the Excess Deaths means, it means a possible life reduction of hours, days, months, or maybe years, like I said "estimated".
Did you look at the links that I posted by any chance?
Did you see the reductions that have already been achieved?
If their estimates are actually true, then what were the excess deaths in the recent past when most of the pollutants were 3 to 4 times higher?
How did anyone live through the Smogs of the 1950s and 1960s before the 1956 Clean Air Act had any affect?
I remember those Smogs well, your face, hair and clothing would be covered in Sulphur & Soot, buildings were black with it and you couldn't see more than a yard or so in any direction.
That was real air pollution.
Do you know one of the best methods of reducing city air pollution to do with traffic that is now hardly ever used. Wet road sweeping, studies have shown major reductions in airborne particles when roads sweepers are used.
Another major change is that under the Clean Air Act wood burning in cities was banned and/or controlled, they should never have allowed the return to using wood burning stoves or log burning in open fires. | | | |
| Solar panels on 12:32 - Jul 3 with 1856 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Solar panels on 11:55 - Jul 3 by LeonWasGod |
Wait til you find out how many subsidies the fossil fuel industry receives - it'll blow your mind |
Totally debunked, Tax Breaks that every single industry gets are not subsidies.
Subsidies are paid by the customer and added to the purchase price.
Do you know the actual costs of so called green energy when the subsidies have been added on? | | | |
| Solar panels on 12:34 - Jul 3 with 1855 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Solar panels on 11:53 - Jul 3 by Scotia |
Does Methane casue global warming of any description? Yes or No will do.
And I must say in our last climate change debate it was clear who's mind is closed, yours is made up and based easily refuted nonsense from highly questionable sources. You are obviously out to convince yourself that climate change is some form of conspiracy, and you have done a decent job of it. Anyone with an open mind can only really come to one ultimate consclusion regarding anthropogenic climate change. [Post edited 3 Jul 2020 12:00]
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If it does it would be a miniscule amount.
Water controls the climate, correction water and the Sun plus celestial mechanics control the climate.
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| Solar panels on 12:37 - Jul 3 with 1854 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Solar panels on 19:09 - Jul 2 by Professor |
I've had both the more recent sporty Picanto and the I!0 as courtesy cars-really good little cars, especially the pokey Picanto. I have a VW Up! which is a bit more sure on the road for my mind. Great for my use-we have a Mini Countryman as a family car, but I rarely drive the 'big' car. |
I had my share of cars, including sporty ones when I was younger, mostly Fords of course. | | | |
| Solar panels on 12:46 - Jul 3 with 1850 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Solar panels on 12:17 - Jul 3 by Professor |
Must be hard finding the 2^% of science which is skeptical of climate change. Carbon Dioxide though methane more efficient. Rice is biggest source of methane though termites
Like ruminants produce it too. Grass fed ruminants are pretty GHG neutral. Grain fed not. |
Do you have any idea where the 98% of Scientists comes from? | | | |
| Solar panels on 12:47 - Jul 3 with 1850 views | Scotia |
| Solar panels on 12:34 - Jul 3 by A_Fans_Dad |
If it does it would be a miniscule amount.
Water controls the climate, correction water and the Sun plus celestial mechanics control the climate.
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So that's a yes then, and confirmation of anthropogenic climate change. Even if a tiny amount, which it isn't by the way.
Anyway how about nitrous oxide? Yes or no.
It's a shame the sites you copy your "science" from concentrate on Co2 because it suits their agenda.
Back on topic, I don't have solar panels as my house faces east, otherwise I would. My office has quite a large array and they generate a good deal of power. Under the right conditions our office (of about 120 people) gets power exclusively from them. | | | |
| Solar panels on 12:51 - Jul 3 with 1847 views | Professor |
| Solar panels on 12:46 - Jul 3 by A_Fans_Dad |
Do you have any idea where the 98% of Scientists comes from? |
Yes. Even NASA use that figure (97%). The naysayers are smidge over 2 | | | |
| Solar panels on 12:52 - Jul 3 with 1846 views | Professor |
| Solar panels on 12:47 - Jul 3 by Scotia |
So that's a yes then, and confirmation of anthropogenic climate change. Even if a tiny amount, which it isn't by the way.
Anyway how about nitrous oxide? Yes or no.
It's a shame the sites you copy your "science" from concentrate on Co2 because it suits their agenda.
Back on topic, I don't have solar panels as my house faces east, otherwise I would. My office has quite a large array and they generate a good deal of power. Under the right conditions our office (of about 120 people) gets power exclusively from them. |
Nitrous oxides-yes. And don't break down much either. | | | |
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