| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures 15:35 - Apr 26 with 37181 views | SandyDrum |
Incredible that it has actually come to this.
For those without Twitter:
“The mental pressure has affected some people to the extent that they feel they are unable to perform their jobs sufficiently.
“These are unprecedented circumstances and are affecting every aspect of our lives, placing great strain on ourselves and our families.
“During this time we have remained patient in hope of some explanation but information from the club has been extremely limited and very confusing. What we have been told changes constantly.
“With deep regret we have decided not to fulfil our remaining fixtures unless we are paid.
“We understand that this will disappoint our fans and for this we sincerely apologise.
“We realise this may be seen as drastic action but we feel we have no other options left.
“This decision has not been taken lightly and is not a reaction to this one particular incident.
“We have suffered numerous issues this season, and recent seasons. Brought on by the mismanagement of this club.
“We have been operating in a near untenable environment for some time and it is the accumulation of these issues that have resulted in our decision.” [Post edited 26 Apr 2019 15:36]
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 15:51 - Apr 26 with 11682 views | BigKindo |
Bet Alby is glad he joined us. I remember attending a fan's forum after Flitcroft arrived from Chester. Somebody asked him what the difference was between playing for Dale and Chester. He replied that at Dale he got paid. |  | | |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 15:55 - Apr 26 with 11663 views | aleanddale |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 15:51 - Apr 26 by BigKindo |
Bet Alby is glad he joined us. I remember attending a fan's forum after Flitcroft arrived from Chester. Somebody asked him what the difference was between playing for Dale and Chester. He replied that at Dale he got paid. |
Exactly the same story from Jason Kennedy ( Darlo ). | | | |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:35 - Apr 26 with 11430 views | SuddenLad |
I wonder if there will be greater consequences here.
If BWFC fail to fulfil their fixtures, it could well lead to the whole of their seasons results being expunged as has happened when other teams have folded/failed before the official end of the season. Accrington & Wigan are two instances where that occurred. Is it done automatically, or will the BWFC circumstances be treated in isolation ?
That could well upset the promotion/relegation situation and mean that league placings would alter as points are deducted.
Sooner or later a club will fold, regardless of league status. Financial cheating and jiggery-pokery has gone unchecked for far too long. Time to act with intent.
As ever the supporters are the real victims. |  |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:38 - Apr 26 with 11404 views | scarrow |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:35 - Apr 26 by SuddenLad |
I wonder if there will be greater consequences here.
If BWFC fail to fulfil their fixtures, it could well lead to the whole of their seasons results being expunged as has happened when other teams have folded/failed before the official end of the season. Accrington & Wigan are two instances where that occurred. Is it done automatically, or will the BWFC circumstances be treated in isolation ?
That could well upset the promotion/relegation situation and mean that league placings would alter as points are deducted.
Sooner or later a club will fold, regardless of league status. Financial cheating and jiggery-pokery has gone unchecked for far too long. Time to act with intent.
As ever the supporters are the real victims. |
They won’t get kicked out as they take over has been sanctioned. Neither team they have left to play can go up or down so it doesn’t affect anything. I wonder if Bolton might end up fielding a side of U23’s or Youth Players in order to fulfil the fixture. That is if of course the players don’t back down. |  |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:38 - Apr 26 with 11402 views | dingdangblue |
Scandalous they have been taken over but still not paid!
Surely that would have been the 1st proviso? |  |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:40 - Apr 26 with 11395 views | scarrow |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:38 - Apr 26 by dingdangblue |
Scandalous they have been taken over but still not paid!
Surely that would have been the 1st proviso? |
It hasn’t been approved by the EFL yet so not a penny has been seen | |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:41 - Apr 26 with 11394 views | D_Alien |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:35 - Apr 26 by SuddenLad |
I wonder if there will be greater consequences here.
If BWFC fail to fulfil their fixtures, it could well lead to the whole of their seasons results being expunged as has happened when other teams have folded/failed before the official end of the season. Accrington & Wigan are two instances where that occurred. Is it done automatically, or will the BWFC circumstances be treated in isolation ?
That could well upset the promotion/relegation situation and mean that league placings would alter as points are deducted.
Sooner or later a club will fold, regardless of league status. Financial cheating and jiggery-pokery has gone unchecked for far too long. Time to act with intent.
As ever the supporters are the real victims. |
Hmm... it'd be incredibly unfair if any team was denied a promotion or playoff spot, or relegated due to having their fixture(s) with Bolton expunged
Their two remaining games won't affect issues at the top or bottom, which is probably just as well. In which case, surely the FL will allow completed results to stand?
I think when Accy & Wigan folded, it was well before the end of the season |  |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:43 - Apr 26 with 11393 views | SuddenLad |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:38 - Apr 26 by scarrow |
They won’t get kicked out as they take over has been sanctioned. Neither team they have left to play can go up or down so it doesn’t affect anything. I wonder if Bolton might end up fielding a side of U23’s or Youth Players in order to fulfil the fixture. That is if of course the players don’t back down. |
If their results are expunged, (for failing to fulfil their fixtures) other clubs would lose all the points gained against Bolton. Assuming they can/do carry on, deliberately fielding a weakened team, would only incur another penalty. It's farcical. | |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:45 - Apr 26 with 11382 views | SuddenLad |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:41 - Apr 26 by D_Alien |
Hmm... it'd be incredibly unfair if any team was denied a promotion or playoff spot, or relegated due to having their fixture(s) with Bolton expunged
Their two remaining games won't affect issues at the top or bottom, which is probably just as well. In which case, surely the FL will allow completed results to stand?
I think when Accy & Wigan folded, it was well before the end of the season |
You're dead right, it would be unfair. But would it be more or less unfair than allowing financial cheats to prosper within the league pyramid at the expense of those who abide by the rules ?? | |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:56 - Apr 26 with 11329 views | D_Alien |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:45 - Apr 26 by SuddenLad |
You're dead right, it would be unfair. But would it be more or less unfair than allowing financial cheats to prosper within the league pyramid at the expense of those who abide by the rules ?? |
It doesn't have to be either/or?
Punish Bolton with all the severity they deserve (including compensating Brentford & Nottm Forest for loss of income), but allow completed fixtures to stand?
There's probably some ruling on this that has to be adhered to, buried deep within the FL Guidelines | |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:07 - Apr 26 with 11279 views | dingdangblue |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:43 - Apr 26 by SuddenLad |
If their results are expunged, (for failing to fulfil their fixtures) other clubs would lose all the points gained against Bolton. Assuming they can/do carry on, deliberately fielding a weakened team, would only incur another penalty. It's farcical. |
I remember when it benefited Dale back in 91/92. Aldershot went bust and we'd only played them once and drawn? (I think). I remember the other teams not happy we'd gained valuable points on them going for promotion. Typically Dale managed to cock it up and lose most of our remaining games to miss out on our first play offs. | |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:11 - Apr 26 with 11266 views | kel |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:07 - Apr 26 by dingdangblue |
I remember when it benefited Dale back in 91/92. Aldershot went bust and we'd only played them once and drawn? (I think). I remember the other teams not happy we'd gained valuable points on them going for promotion. Typically Dale managed to cock it up and lose most of our remaining games to miss out on our first play offs. |
Think that may have been Maidstone but I could be wrong. It was a shit game too if I’m recalling correctly.
Edit - Think you’re right actually, TVOS can surely clear it up though. [Post edited 26 Apr 2019 19:16]
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:20 - Apr 26 with 11236 views | SuddenLad |
Yes, it would be a travesty if teams were to be denied promotion or play-off places because of the proper implementation of rules relating to Boltons' situation. Or that of Bury. Or that of any other club who feel free to do as they please at the expense of others.
If it were to be seen to happen, with real consequences, there would be less of a 'blind eye' turned to blatant malpractice in future and more of a willingness to act when things are obviously awry.
The bloke who is due to take over at Bolton is just the sort of person who should never be allowed near a football club. His track record speaks for itself. This sort of nonsense has been going on for years. Robert Maxwell and his shenanigans at Oxford/Reading, the Notts County fiasco, Bolton, Bury, et.al.
It has to be stopped once and for all. If this takeover at Bolton is ratified, then we might all as well cheat, stick two fingers up at the FL and just get on with it. If they are saying they serious about the integrity of the competition, they need to mean it and show it. Otherwise, we are all losers. | |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:24 - Apr 26 with 11213 views | Rodingdale |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:07 - Apr 26 by dingdangblue |
I remember when it benefited Dale back in 91/92. Aldershot went bust and we'd only played them once and drawn? (I think). I remember the other teams not happy we'd gained valuable points on them going for promotion. Typically Dale managed to cock it up and lose most of our remaining games to miss out on our first play offs. |
I was at the expunged game at the Rec- 1-1 draw, John Halpen??? | | | |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:30 - Apr 26 with 11190 views | D_Alien |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:20 - Apr 26 by SuddenLad |
Yes, it would be a travesty if teams were to be denied promotion or play-off places because of the proper implementation of rules relating to Boltons' situation. Or that of Bury. Or that of any other club who feel free to do as they please at the expense of others.
If it were to be seen to happen, with real consequences, there would be less of a 'blind eye' turned to blatant malpractice in future and more of a willingness to act when things are obviously awry.
The bloke who is due to take over at Bolton is just the sort of person who should never be allowed near a football club. His track record speaks for itself. This sort of nonsense has been going on for years. Robert Maxwell and his shenanigans at Oxford/Reading, the Notts County fiasco, Bolton, Bury, et.al.
It has to be stopped once and for all. If this takeover at Bolton is ratified, then we might all as well cheat, stick two fingers up at the FL and just get on with it. If they are saying they serious about the integrity of the competition, they need to mean it and show it. Otherwise, we are all losers. |
Agree with your analysis, but just supposing Dale were in a playoff spot in L1 with the possibility of auto promotion on the back of 6 pts against a team in Bolton's situation?
Clubs that do abide by the rules should be supported by the FL, not punished due to the flouting of financial fair play by others. That surely can't be right | |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:35 - Apr 26 with 11174 views | 442Dale |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:11 - Apr 26 by kel |
Think that may have been Maidstone but I could be wrong. It was a shit game too if I’m recalling correctly.
Edit - Think you’re right actually, TVOS can surely clear it up though. [Post edited 26 Apr 2019 19:16]
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Yeah, it was Aldershot. Maidstone were infamously part of the terrible run where we lost six of the last nine to miss out on the play-offs. We'd only lost five all season before the Aldershot games were wiped out!
Maidstone went bust on the eve of the following season. |  |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:39 - Apr 26 with 11165 views | SuddenLad |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:30 - Apr 26 by D_Alien |
Agree with your analysis, but just supposing Dale were in a playoff spot in L1 with the possibility of auto promotion on the back of 6 pts against a team in Bolton's situation?
Clubs that do abide by the rules should be supported by the FL, not punished due to the flouting of financial fair play by others. That surely can't be right |
Unless and until the wrongdoers are dealt with properly, all other clubs are being punished anyway, by being disadvantaged unfairly.
As someone has pointed out - Dale themselves were docked points in the early 1990's. It's impossible to predict who will become losers in this situation if it happens at this stage of the season.
The point remains that the rules should be implemented properly, regardless of league position or size of club. It's the only way the competition can be fair, then hopefully no club will find themselves victims of the wilful misdeeds of others. | |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:40 - Apr 26 with 11160 views | kel |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:35 - Apr 26 by 442Dale |
Yeah, it was Aldershot. Maidstone were infamously part of the terrible run where we lost six of the last nine to miss out on the play-offs. We'd only lost five all season before the Aldershot games were wiped out!
Maidstone went bust on the eve of the following season. |
Cheers. I’m quite proud of my long term memory but I’ve had a mare there. | | | |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:49 - Apr 26 with 11116 views | 442Dale |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:40 - Apr 26 by kel |
Cheers. I’m quite proud of my long term memory but I’ve had a mare there. |
That both went out of business so close to each other and had an effect on our fortunes makes it an understandable mix-up.
That 91/92 capitulation was only surpassed by the way we fell apart during Hill's first promotion season. I still look at the teams Sutton was picking by the end and can't work out what he was thinking. | |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:56 - Apr 26 with 11077 views | D_Dale |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:24 - Apr 26 by Rodingdale |
I was at the expunged game at the Rec- 1-1 draw, John Halpen??? |
Yes, John Halpin (one of the two goals he scored that season).
There'll be a few Championship players felling uneasy tonight that their goals against Bolton risk being expunged. | | | |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 20:00 - Apr 26 with 11054 views | D_Alien |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:39 - Apr 26 by SuddenLad |
Unless and until the wrongdoers are dealt with properly, all other clubs are being punished anyway, by being disadvantaged unfairly.
As someone has pointed out - Dale themselves were docked points in the early 1990's. It's impossible to predict who will become losers in this situation if it happens at this stage of the season.
The point remains that the rules should be implemented properly, regardless of league position or size of club. It's the only way the competition can be fair, then hopefully no club will find themselves victims of the wilful misdeeds of others. |
"It's impossible to predict who will become losers... at this stage of the season"
Which is why the FL should be able to punish with all due force those teams who flout the rules whilst protecting those who don't
Your solution has a touch of 'King Herod' about it | |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 20:04 - Apr 26 with 11043 views | BlueDales |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:38 - Apr 26 by scarrow |
They won’t get kicked out as they take over has been sanctioned. Neither team they have left to play can go up or down so it doesn’t affect anything. I wonder if Bolton might end up fielding a side of U23’s or Youth Players in order to fulfil the fixture. That is if of course the players don’t back down. |
The FA allowed North Ferriby to go to the wall with debt of £7k. One set of rules for some, another set of rules for others? | | | |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 20:09 - Apr 26 with 11026 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:49 - Apr 26 by 442Dale |
That both went out of business so close to each other and had an effect on our fortunes makes it an understandable mix-up.
That 91/92 capitulation was only surpassed by the way we fell apart during Hill's first promotion season. I still look at the teams Sutton was picking by the end and can't work out what he was thinking. |
I remember that era well and I think Steve Doyle had been suspended for 4 games or so. I think we played a game after everyone else had played all there’s, think it was York or Barnet,and naturally we screwed it up.
We did the same vs Burnley after John Ryan scored. Losing 3 1 when they were already champions and did not care until we started kicking them. I think John deary confirmed as much.
I liked Dave Sutton, really genuine chap, spent ages chatting with him at heywood and spotland, would have been a great coach imho but was not a fantastic manager |  |
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 20:26 - Apr 26 with 10981 views | D_Dale |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 18:56 - Apr 26 by D_Alien |
It doesn't have to be either/or?
Punish Bolton with all the severity they deserve (including compensating Brentford & Nottm Forest for loss of income), but allow completed fixtures to stand?
There's probably some ruling on this that has to be adhered to, buried deep within the FL Guidelines |
The FL seems not to be able to put a hand on those guidelines, 4/5 hours since the player's strike was announced, as we are evidently waiting for some official announcement.
What were Brentford advised to do - travel north today or wait until tomorrow, or have they been told informally that Bolton won't be able to field a team? And presumably the Brentford fans have been left in the dark?
Expunging all 44 of Bolton's matches seems unfair. (For example, I think Derby, currently in the bottom play-off place with 67 points, would have 64 points, but Middlesbrough, one place below, would fall from 67 to 61 points - and thus be less likely to qualify for the play-offs.)
But to allow the results to stand would go against precedence , and possibly cause Nottingham Forest to end the season near the top of the lower half of the league, rather than near the bottom of the upper half! [Post edited 26 Apr 2019 20:35]
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| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 20:33 - Apr 26 with 10956 views | D_Dale |
| Bolton Players Refusing To Play Remaining Fixtures on 19:39 - Apr 26 by SuddenLad |
Unless and until the wrongdoers are dealt with properly, all other clubs are being punished anyway, by being disadvantaged unfairly.
As someone has pointed out - Dale themselves were docked points in the early 1990's. It's impossible to predict who will become losers in this situation if it happens at this stage of the season.
The point remains that the rules should be implemented properly, regardless of league position or size of club. It's the only way the competition can be fair, then hopefully no club will find themselves victims of the wilful misdeeds of others. |
Were Dale docked points in the early 1990s? I vaguely remember various scrapes under chairmen Tommy Cannon and the solicitor who ended up in the slammer, but not the actual deduction of points. How many points were lost, and on what grounds? | | | |
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