| Adam Johnson on 00:28 - Feb 12 with 2525 views | AyewSerious |
| Adam Johnson on 00:13 - Feb 12 by londonlisa2001 |
Don't understand why you're talking about this as though they were two kids the same age.
They weren't - that's not prosecuted these days.
Texting as part and parcel of forming a relationship - are you actually serious?
He was a grown man in his late twenties, she was a 15 year old. He was texting her for sex - that's the whole point! Even if he'd never met her, or if a policeman had found the texts and pretended to be her it's still a crime - now does that sounds like a harmless text to you ?
What if he'd been 40 - would that have been a harmless bit of texting fun?? 60? When in your eyes does it become disgusting?
Anyway - you don't think it's seedy and he's just a silly man - it's absolutely terrifying that people think like that, it really is. |
It is personal opinion isnt it, i know many people who see mid twenties as kids. Its barely out of uni in many cases. So asking me at what point I find it disgusting isnt really relevant. Id say Hugh Heffners antics are pretty disgusting, what is he 80? And sleeping with 20 year olds, crazy really. Id say that was disgusting on their part though not his. Wouldn't you?
When I was 15 id fall over myself to sleep with Britney Spears as would 99.9% of others (pre shaven head days of course). We are talking a matter of a few months between lawfully legal and illegal, thats why I refuse to label him a monster as some seemingly wish to do. I didnt consider myself a child at that age, so its case specific. the law has to broad however to protect those that arent quite sexually mature of course, which is perfectly understandable. And which is why he will be found guilty and punished.
He wont be doing that again in a hurry and a vital lesson learned (to him and others) as rich and famous young men who will find themselves in situations where these girls will be seeking their affections. [Post edited 12 Feb 2016 0:29]
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| Adam Johnson on 00:35 - Feb 12 with 2510 views | AyewSerious |
| Adam Johnson on 00:26 - Feb 12 by londonlisa2001 |
Hang on a minute- what do you mean a sexually mature, sexually active, more than willing partner?
How the hell do you know that? You don't even know who she is - she hasn't been named. So you are instantly judging her.
And the second her dad found out she'd had sex he called the police - does that sound like a girl who was known to be sexually active to you?
The law changes at the age of 13 as I have mentioned and he's being tried and wil be sentenced accordingly.
And NO - half of your school would not have been done - two young kids of the same or similar age are not prosecuted. There is only a prosecution where one is below the age of consent and one is above 24 to stop a boyfriend / girlfriend thing being a crime.
The way people talk about young kids as sexually mature adults is unbelievable to me. If you genuinely can't see the difference between two 15 year olds having a fumble and a grown man persuading a 15 year old to meet him for sex then I just don't think it's worth discussing any more. |
Sexually mature meaning someone willingly wishing to enter into a sexual relationship. More than willing partner because she was bragging about her conquests on facebook which is how it came to light and her father called the police. This is what I have kearned about the case, feel free to enlighten me if you have another version which would make me rethink my stance.
The difference is you see this girl being needed to be persuaded to have sex, where as people who understand what teens are like today know that that probably couldnt be further from the truth. Times change, if you think 15 year olds are busy playing hop scotch and playing conkers then you are sadly mistaken. The majority of 15 year olds are sexually active these days, I guarantee it. | | | |
| Adam Johnson on 00:36 - Feb 12 with 2506 views | skippyjack |
| Adam Johnson on 00:15 - Feb 12 by AyewSerious |
No not "a bit of a boy" at all, I would never suggest such a moronic thing. But not a paedo either, hence why he hasnt been tried for pedophilia. He was having an affair with a sexually mature, sexually active and more than willing partner who he knew was just under the threshold of what is and isnt allowed by law.
So while I completely agree he is guilty of sexual relationship with an underage girl, I cannot join in the "peado", "went after a child", "seedy grooming" stuff that comes with it. If that was the case then half my school were the victims of pedophilia including myself, who I may add actively seek out older and more experienced sexual partners.
I don't know why people have such an issue with seeing it as it is withiut having to sensationalise things. Very wrong thing to do, should know better at 26 and will be punished accordingly. But lets not pretend he is a monster of humanity. |
Because they lack a bit of nous.. they have been programmed to 'think' in a certain way.. they have been fed information in a certain way.. they're always 'correct'.. never wrong, always do good, never make mistakes.. they cant help it.. they've been brainwashed to 'think' like they do.
lisa is a bit of a narcissist, and dreamer.. bit bubbly, bit dense.. not as bright as everyone thinks she is.
people have different perceptions of 'reality' through experience, they're just unaware that everyone has experience..
lisa judges a lot, thinks things are inappropriate when she stares..
people are unaware that people are being psychologically profiled online, for intelligence, sense of balance, sense of perspective, if someone is over rational over a period of time online.
lisa is definitely in this bracket.. she's too rational, which ends up being delusion, delusion ends up as dementia... dementia ends up in insanity. lisa isn't balanced at all.. it's her belief system which is unwilling to change.. due to incessant programming. |  |
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| Adam Johnson on 00:48 - Feb 12 with 2491 views | AyewSerious |
| Adam Johnson on 00:36 - Feb 12 by skippyjack |
Because they lack a bit of nous.. they have been programmed to 'think' in a certain way.. they have been fed information in a certain way.. they're always 'correct'.. never wrong, always do good, never make mistakes.. they cant help it.. they've been brainwashed to 'think' like they do.
lisa is a bit of a narcissist, and dreamer.. bit bubbly, bit dense.. not as bright as everyone thinks she is.
people have different perceptions of 'reality' through experience, they're just unaware that everyone has experience..
lisa judges a lot, thinks things are inappropriate when she stares..
people are unaware that people are being psychologically profiled online, for intelligence, sense of balance, sense of perspective, if someone is over rational over a period of time online.
lisa is definitely in this bracket.. she's too rational, which ends up being delusion, delusion ends up as dementia... dementia ends up in insanity. lisa isn't balanced at all.. it's her belief system which is unwilling to change.. due to incessant programming. |
Its just a generation thing I think. The age of consent is being lowered as society changes. I genuinelly think 40-50 year olds still think of 15 year olds as how they were back in the day. The world has changed in that respect.
The age of consent in Italy, Portugal, Hungary etc is 14 years old.
The age of consent in France, Denmark, Sweden, Monaco, Greece, Iceland etc is 15 years old.
So these people are "monsters" in England and should be hanged, but ok in France and Sweden, which are pretty rational western forward thinking countries. Not to mention our 15 year olds are seen as incapable of making adult decisions in our country where as in France and Italy they are given the respect they deserve and not thought of as silly impressionable people.
I'm not comfortable personally with such an age gap, but neither am I with a 50 year old with a 25 year old, just personal preferance.
But im not willing to jump on the bandwagon in cases such as these where we are talking a matter of months between "legal" and "illegal" and even perfectly legal in many large European countries not even 100 miles from our border, knowing full well how sexually active and grown up these young men and women are today.
From what I understand, it was not a one way thing as trying to be portrayed here and I wouldnt have thought it would be for one second. [Post edited 12 Feb 2016 0:54]
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| Adam Johnson on 00:59 - Feb 12 with 2461 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Adam Johnson on 00:36 - Feb 12 by skippyjack |
Because they lack a bit of nous.. they have been programmed to 'think' in a certain way.. they have been fed information in a certain way.. they're always 'correct'.. never wrong, always do good, never make mistakes.. they cant help it.. they've been brainwashed to 'think' like they do.
lisa is a bit of a narcissist, and dreamer.. bit bubbly, bit dense.. not as bright as everyone thinks she is.
people have different perceptions of 'reality' through experience, they're just unaware that everyone has experience..
lisa judges a lot, thinks things are inappropriate when she stares..
people are unaware that people are being psychologically profiled online, for intelligence, sense of balance, sense of perspective, if someone is over rational over a period of time online.
lisa is definitely in this bracket.. she's too rational, which ends up being delusion, delusion ends up as dementia... dementia ends up in insanity. lisa isn't balanced at all.. it's her belief system which is unwilling to change.. due to incessant programming. |
Bore off. | | | |
| Adam Johnson on 01:04 - Feb 12 with 2457 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Adam Johnson on 00:35 - Feb 12 by AyewSerious |
Sexually mature meaning someone willingly wishing to enter into a sexual relationship. More than willing partner because she was bragging about her conquests on facebook which is how it came to light and her father called the police. This is what I have kearned about the case, feel free to enlighten me if you have another version which would make me rethink my stance.
The difference is you see this girl being needed to be persuaded to have sex, where as people who understand what teens are like today know that that probably couldnt be further from the truth. Times change, if you think 15 year olds are busy playing hop scotch and playing conkers then you are sadly mistaken. The majority of 15 year olds are sexually active these days, I guarantee it. |
Ah, the old 'if you think what he's done is wrong you're an old git who's out of touch with the world' argument.
Anyway - doesn't matter - he can ponder the differences between here and France from his cell on the sex offenders wing of whatever craphole they put him in. | | | |
| Adam Johnson on 01:12 - Feb 12 with 2443 views | AyewSerious |
| Adam Johnson on 01:04 - Feb 12 by londonlisa2001 |
Ah, the old 'if you think what he's done is wrong you're an old git who's out of touch with the world' argument.
Anyway - doesn't matter - he can ponder the differences between here and France from his cell on the sex offenders wing of whatever craphole they put him in. |
No, he has done wrong. No denying it.
The argument is he is not a pedophile, he has just had relations with a girl who in many large western european countries is of legal age (France, Italy Sweden etc), where as here she is a matter of months under.
He will now be punished accordingly. Thats the long and the short of it. But to make out he is some predatory monster who has commited unspeakable acts on a unwitting child is just wrong, and sadly indicative of the sensationalist witch hunt mentality which has developed in this country and people seem to revel in. | | | |
| Adam Johnson on 01:13 - Feb 12 with 2441 views | skippyjack |
| Adam Johnson on 00:48 - Feb 12 by AyewSerious |
Its just a generation thing I think. The age of consent is being lowered as society changes. I genuinelly think 40-50 year olds still think of 15 year olds as how they were back in the day. The world has changed in that respect.
The age of consent in Italy, Portugal, Hungary etc is 14 years old.
The age of consent in France, Denmark, Sweden, Monaco, Greece, Iceland etc is 15 years old.
So these people are "monsters" in England and should be hanged, but ok in France and Sweden, which are pretty rational western forward thinking countries. Not to mention our 15 year olds are seen as incapable of making adult decisions in our country where as in France and Italy they are given the respect they deserve and not thought of as silly impressionable people.
I'm not comfortable personally with such an age gap, but neither am I with a 50 year old with a 25 year old, just personal preferance.
But im not willing to jump on the bandwagon in cases such as these where we are talking a matter of months between "legal" and "illegal" and even perfectly legal in many large European countries not even 100 miles from our border, knowing full well how sexually active and grown up these young men and women are today.
From what I understand, it was not a one way thing as trying to be portrayed here and I wouldnt have thought it would be for one second. [Post edited 12 Feb 2016 0:54]
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As i have stated.. the adolescent stage, is when girls start to have sexual urges towards the opposite sex, due to hormonal changes. It's a fact.
15 year old girls tend to think they're older than what they are. Fact.
15 year old girls prefer an older appealing man. Fact.
These are pretty much standard studies.. trust me, these girls are obsessed with money, obsessed fashions, obsessed by the older looking men.. they're all studies on teenage girls.. even now, girls or women have a tendency to go for the older dominant male.. they still speak to 'non-dominant males' as if they're kids, and some girls who are younger talk to older men as if they're kids.. it's pretty much been my life.. i have studies to back my claims up.. the day when a women will take me seriously, i'll throw a party.
But Johnson deserves his sentence anyway, coercing 15 year old girls..
But i don't consider him in the 'predatory pedo' bracket.. | |
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| Adam Johnson on 01:16 - Feb 12 with 2432 views | skippyjack |
It's a fact mun.. i read studies on it..
It's amazing how humans actually behave.. how they are influenced.
It's an eye opener.. | |
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| Adam Johnson on 01:22 - Feb 12 with 2423 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Adam Johnson on 01:12 - Feb 12 by AyewSerious |
No, he has done wrong. No denying it.
The argument is he is not a pedophile, he has just had relations with a girl who in many large western european countries is of legal age (France, Italy Sweden etc), where as here she is a matter of months under.
He will now be punished accordingly. Thats the long and the short of it. But to make out he is some predatory monster who has commited unspeakable acts on a unwitting child is just wrong, and sadly indicative of the sensationalist witch hunt mentality which has developed in this country and people seem to revel in. |
I didn't make that out at all. in fact, I pointed out several times that the law is (rightly) different for under 13 and 13 to 16.
However, to make out it's a mistake on his behalf and that she was a willing participant to a bit of harmless texting and a bit of fun afterwards is wrong. No one, including myself, is arguing that 15 year olds don't have sex. But, there is a big difference (not only under the law but also by standards of common decency) that recognise sex between a 15 year old and a 17 year old is not the same thing as has happened here. That's why he will go to jail, has been sacked, has lost his sponsors, will not play for England again, and is finished for life in his chosen career. You are noticing a witch hunt mentality whereas I am concerned about the amount of 'he's a bit of a lad and it's obviously her fault' commentary that has gone on.
As an aside - there are also countries with a higher age of consent - Ireland I believe is one, and in fact the age of consent here is higher than it has been at times. Where it should be set is a moot point because there has to be a line somewhere, and it's not like he didn't know exactly where it was and which side of it she fell. | | | |
| Adam Johnson on 01:24 - Feb 12 with 2418 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Adam Johnson on 01:16 - Feb 12 by skippyjack |
It's a fact mun.. i read studies on it..
It's amazing how humans actually behave.. how they are influenced.
It's an eye opener.. |
I'm sure you've read many things in your life skippy. I'm equally sure you didn't understand any of them unless they came with pictures. | | | |
| Adam Johnson on 01:27 - Feb 12 with 2412 views | skippyjack |
| Adam Johnson on 01:24 - Feb 12 by londonlisa2001 |
I'm sure you've read many things in your life skippy. I'm equally sure you didn't understand any of them unless they came with pictures. |
You see the way women react to me?.. i don't even have to try on times. | |
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| Adam Johnson on 01:30 - Feb 12 with 2406 views | AyewSerious |
| Adam Johnson on 01:16 - Feb 12 by skippyjack |
It's a fact mun.. i read studies on it..
It's amazing how humans actually behave.. how they are influenced.
It's an eye opener.. |
Not sure I completely agree on your analysis of Lisa.
I understand what she is saying, I even can completely see her point of view. The difference is, where other people are able to understand that opinions are formed from a base of personal experience, she may think that the only experiences worth forming an opinion from - are hers. This isnt indicative of Lisa, many people do it. I do sometimes too, although i try not to.
I can guarantee she is older than me by at least a generation. That is why I completely understand her point. Id imagine if I was from that generation then I may share the same opinion. But coming from the same generation of Johnson and knowing how these teens and twenty somethings act these days, gives me first hand experience of what the world, and people in general, are like these days.
The world is sex mad. It has been a combination of TV influence, celebrity infatuation, and the booming of the internet porn industry which has seen sex become an every day part of teenagers lives. Its sad really, and much prefer the innocent view of the world that once was had by these teens decades ago.
For as long as I can remember thr UK has been quite reserved when it comes to sex. That has rubbed off on our kids too which is why our age of consent has remained one of the highest in Europe. However those days are outdated and long gone, we are probably now on par with the likes of Sweden when it comes to promiscuity and attitude towards sex. I have no doubt as a result you will see the age of consent tumbling in the future to be more in line with the likes of France and the rest of Europe, i believe in 2013 it was lobbied and rejected for a change to 15.
But it is always going to be a touchy subject and as I keep repeating is incredibly case soecific. What is impirtant is we are able to respect eachothers opinions. | | | |
| Adam Johnson on 01:40 - Feb 12 with 2394 views | AyewSerious |
| Adam Johnson on 01:22 - Feb 12 by londonlisa2001 |
I didn't make that out at all. in fact, I pointed out several times that the law is (rightly) different for under 13 and 13 to 16.
However, to make out it's a mistake on his behalf and that she was a willing participant to a bit of harmless texting and a bit of fun afterwards is wrong. No one, including myself, is arguing that 15 year olds don't have sex. But, there is a big difference (not only under the law but also by standards of common decency) that recognise sex between a 15 year old and a 17 year old is not the same thing as has happened here. That's why he will go to jail, has been sacked, has lost his sponsors, will not play for England again, and is finished for life in his chosen career. You are noticing a witch hunt mentality whereas I am concerned about the amount of 'he's a bit of a lad and it's obviously her fault' commentary that has gone on.
As an aside - there are also countries with a higher age of consent - Ireland I believe is one, and in fact the age of consent here is higher than it has been at times. Where it should be set is a moot point because there has to be a line somewhere, and it's not like he didn't know exactly where it was and which side of it she fell. |
But I equally havent said it "was a mistake", "harmless texting" or "bit of fun" either have I? I have also not seen anybody (certainly not me) make out that he is "a bit of a lad" or "that it's her fault".
It's like you are making up my stance and arguing against it. I've said nothing like what you have said there... not once. I think cheating in your partner is abhorrant in itself for example.
But they are BOTH at fault. She should be feeling pretty bad right now that she played a part in this, and he should feel awful at how silly he has been and being the older and presumably more mature person should rightly shoulder more of the blame and should have put a stop to it.
Ireland is higher, you are correct (17). However Ireland and the UK (16) have the highest consent precedents in Europe (top 6). It's quite an anomily in comparison as the average age is in fact 15 in Europe. Again, we are talking a matter of months between what is technically legal and illegal in this particular country.
He will rightly do some jail time, but I doubt it will be much to reflect the nature of the offence. I think he would be out within 10 months with a very valuable lesson learned. [Post edited 12 Feb 2016 1:51]
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| Adam Johnson on 02:47 - Feb 12 with 2352 views | dameedna |
| Adam Johnson on 01:40 - Feb 12 by AyewSerious |
But I equally havent said it "was a mistake", "harmless texting" or "bit of fun" either have I? I have also not seen anybody (certainly not me) make out that he is "a bit of a lad" or "that it's her fault".
It's like you are making up my stance and arguing against it. I've said nothing like what you have said there... not once. I think cheating in your partner is abhorrant in itself for example.
But they are BOTH at fault. She should be feeling pretty bad right now that she played a part in this, and he should feel awful at how silly he has been and being the older and presumably more mature person should rightly shoulder more of the blame and should have put a stop to it.
Ireland is higher, you are correct (17). However Ireland and the UK (16) have the highest consent precedents in Europe (top 6). It's quite an anomily in comparison as the average age is in fact 15 in Europe. Again, we are talking a matter of months between what is technically legal and illegal in this particular country.
He will rightly do some jail time, but I doubt it will be much to reflect the nature of the offence. I think he would be out within 10 months with a very valuable lesson learned. [Post edited 12 Feb 2016 1:51]
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Let's make up a few catch phrases see where we get to
The guy is guilty but saying he is a lad is stereotyping |  | | |
| Adam Johnson on 03:31 - Feb 12 with 2335 views | Humpty |
| Adam Johnson on 01:40 - Feb 12 by AyewSerious |
But I equally havent said it "was a mistake", "harmless texting" or "bit of fun" either have I? I have also not seen anybody (certainly not me) make out that he is "a bit of a lad" or "that it's her fault".
It's like you are making up my stance and arguing against it. I've said nothing like what you have said there... not once. I think cheating in your partner is abhorrant in itself for example.
But they are BOTH at fault. She should be feeling pretty bad right now that she played a part in this, and he should feel awful at how silly he has been and being the older and presumably more mature person should rightly shoulder more of the blame and should have put a stop to it.
Ireland is higher, you are correct (17). However Ireland and the UK (16) have the highest consent precedents in Europe (top 6). It's quite an anomily in comparison as the average age is in fact 15 in Europe. Again, we are talking a matter of months between what is technically legal and illegal in this particular country.
He will rightly do some jail time, but I doubt it will be much to reflect the nature of the offence. I think he would be out within 10 months with a very valuable lesson learned. [Post edited 12 Feb 2016 1:51]
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Give it up mate. Grown men should not f*ck anyone under the age of consent. It's that simple.
I agree with you that Adams is not a paedophile like some thick people think, but he knew what he was doing, he knew she was underage and whatever the law decides to do with him he has no reason for complaint. And that good enough for me. And if his career is f*cked, well there you go.
I'm not one of the hard of thinking who thinks he should be bummed in the showers, or beaten up, or hanged or whatever other horrible death scenarios the thick amongst us like to fantasize about. They read the Daily Mail and get confused about stuff.
I certainly don't agree with you that they are both to blame. Her behaviour has f*ck all to do with this. They are not BOTH at fault. Your suggestion that she is at fault is worrying. In fact I think you're a bit of a prick.
HE is at fault, no matter what happened. SHE is not.
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| Adam Johnson on 03:41 - Feb 12 with 2324 views | AyewSerious |
| Adam Johnson on 03:31 - Feb 12 by Humpty |
Give it up mate. Grown men should not f*ck anyone under the age of consent. It's that simple.
I agree with you that Adams is not a paedophile like some thick people think, but he knew what he was doing, he knew she was underage and whatever the law decides to do with him he has no reason for complaint. And that good enough for me. And if his career is f*cked, well there you go.
I'm not one of the hard of thinking who thinks he should be bummed in the showers, or beaten up, or hanged or whatever other horrible death scenarios the thick amongst us like to fantasize about. They read the Daily Mail and get confused about stuff.
I certainly don't agree with you that they are both to blame. Her behaviour has f*ck all to do with this. They are not BOTH at fault. Your suggestion that she is at fault is worrying. In fact I think you're a bit of a prick.
HE is at fault, no matter what happened. SHE is not.
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Thats a shame, you started off so promisingly.
I cant understand how you think she is not to blame also. It takes two to tango, do you think she didn't know she was underage then? You arent giving teens of this country much credit are you?
Im not sure what world you live in but we are talking young women here, not 8 year olds. She was fully aware she was entering into sexual activity with a professional footballer and was bragging about it on Facebook. To think she isn't to blame as well is just naive.
If that makes you want to call me names then so be it. | | | |
| Adam Johnson on 07:30 - Feb 12 with 2261 views | AngelRangelQS |
| Adam Johnson on 03:41 - Feb 12 by AyewSerious |
Thats a shame, you started off so promisingly.
I cant understand how you think she is not to blame also. It takes two to tango, do you think she didn't know she was underage then? You arent giving teens of this country much credit are you?
Im not sure what world you live in but we are talking young women here, not 8 year olds. She was fully aware she was entering into sexual activity with a professional footballer and was bragging about it on Facebook. To think she isn't to blame as well is just naive.
If that makes you want to call me names then so be it. |
Jesus
She is to blame also? She's a f*cking 15 year old girl and he was a 27 year old professional footballer earning 50k a week. Do you not think that had any influence over things? It's one thing her being chased by an equally inexperienced kid from the year or two above and having sexual contact with him.. but a man in his mid-late 20's? Now add in the professional footballer part and the money and what reasoned decision did she actually make?
Clearly it's different to her being 8 years old and he probably didn't force himself onto her as such but don't you think it's a bit easier convincing a 15 year old girl to sleep with you than a 20 something? Don't you think she lacks a bit of judgement?
Out of interest, what age wouldn't she be to blame? 14? 13? 12? 8? Where is your threshold? Or is it whether they have had sex before so clearly are a bit of a slag?
Some of the responses on this thread are quite frankly sickening [Post edited 12 Feb 2016 7:32]
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| Adam Johnson on 07:39 - Feb 12 with 2244 views | 3swan |
If you take the emotional language away, and replace it with levels of responsibility.
Of the little amount of facts that have come out so far, she was 15, and even though teenagers think they know everything, she would have a low amount of responsibility for her actions.
He is 28 and should have shown a large amount of responsibility for his actions.
The law in this country, as it doesn’t matter at all about other counties, show that he has broken the law and admitted to some offences.
So far it seems that she hasn’t been traumatised by this ‘affair’ not that belittles what he’s done and the affect it could have later in life.
Would I class him as a monster, no, would I class him as totally stupid, and lacking any backbone, yes.
He fully deserves what he gets, if all the facts so far are correct | | | |
| Adam Johnson on 07:48 - Feb 12 with 2230 views | AyewSerious |
| Adam Johnson on 07:30 - Feb 12 by AngelRangelQS |
Jesus
She is to blame also? She's a f*cking 15 year old girl and he was a 27 year old professional footballer earning 50k a week. Do you not think that had any influence over things? It's one thing her being chased by an equally inexperienced kid from the year or two above and having sexual contact with him.. but a man in his mid-late 20's? Now add in the professional footballer part and the money and what reasoned decision did she actually make?
Clearly it's different to her being 8 years old and he probably didn't force himself onto her as such but don't you think it's a bit easier convincing a 15 year old girl to sleep with you than a 20 something? Don't you think she lacks a bit of judgement?
Out of interest, what age wouldn't she be to blame? 14? 13? 12? 8? Where is your threshold? Or is it whether they have had sex before so clearly are a bit of a slag?
Some of the responses on this thread are quite frankly sickening [Post edited 12 Feb 2016 7:32]
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She absolutely is also to blame, she doesnt shoukder the majority of the blame I agree, but some, absolutely. they both were fully aware of the situation, to suggest otherwise is naive.
You are talking about 15 year olds as if they are idiotic morons devoid of any common sense or moralistic values. You know Wayne Rooney was a professional footballer scoring against Arsenal at 15 right? Say he murdered your wife, would you say "awww bless, he had absolutely no idea what he was doing, probably influenced by some online game". No.
It makes no difference how much he earns, it makes no difference what his job is (was). A 26 year old, for my money, is also still very young man indeed. I have no idea why in order to argue with my opinion people are changing what I am saying, probably due to the fact that there isnt enough material to argue with - but where have I suggested she "is a bit of a slag" then?
Far from it. Sexually active people are not "slags". She may have liked him, she still may do. But I have no doubt it was a two way thing, of course it was. I dont believe she needed "convincing" at all... And lets not forget, there is no accusation that any convincing took place. The term grooming, in this case, means they were texting fully aware of eachothers age and still wishing to have sexual contact.
Your question is not relevant regarding what age I would not not consider blame on the younger party - as in a situation like this (a two way underage sex case) I dont think the younger party would be in this situation if they were not sexually developed both mentally and physically.
Some are confusing underage sex (by a matter of months and legal in most european countries) with pedophillic rape. They are quite different and which is why he will barely barely serve 10 months in my opinion. [Post edited 12 Feb 2016 8:07]
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| Adam Johnson on 08:05 - Feb 12 with 2199 views | AngelRangelQS |
| Adam Johnson on 07:48 - Feb 12 by AyewSerious |
She absolutely is also to blame, she doesnt shoukder the majority of the blame I agree, but some, absolutely. they both were fully aware of the situation, to suggest otherwise is naive.
You are talking about 15 year olds as if they are idiotic morons devoid of any common sense or moralistic values. You know Wayne Rooney was a professional footballer scoring against Arsenal at 15 right? Say he murdered your wife, would you say "awww bless, he had absolutely no idea what he was doing, probably influenced by some online game". No.
It makes no difference how much he earns, it makes no difference what his job is (was). A 26 year old, for my money, is also still very young man indeed. I have no idea why in order to argue with my opinion people are changing what I am saying, probably due to the fact that there isnt enough material to argue with - but where have I suggested she "is a bit of a slag" then?
Far from it. Sexually active people are not "slags". She may have liked him, she still may do. But I have no doubt it was a two way thing, of course it was. I dont believe she needed "convincing" at all... And lets not forget, there is no accusation that any convincing took place. The term grooming, in this case, means they were texting fully aware of eachothers age and still wishing to have sexual contact.
Your question is not relevant regarding what age I would not not consider blame on the younger party - as in a situation like this (a two way underage sex case) I dont think the younger party would be in this situation if they were not sexually developed both mentally and physically.
Some are confusing underage sex (by a matter of months and legal in most european countries) with pedophillic rape. They are quite different and which is why he will barely barely serve 10 months in my opinion. [Post edited 12 Feb 2016 8:07]
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Isn't the age of consent 13 in some countries? Shall we bring that in here too?
So if you had a sexually developed 13 year old, that would be ok then?
Your example of murder is totally irrelevant. Nobody is saying that they're morons just that they can clearly be quite easily manipulated which is clearly why the law is there in the first place. Throw in an experienced man who is 11 years older and it becomes a bit disturbing.
The reason I threw his profession and money in is that there are 50 year old men on here who would go weak at the knees if a professional footballer started giving them a bit of attention... What the hell do you think a 15 year old girl would be like... Irrespective of whether she had engaged in sexual activity with boys her own age? | | | |
| Adam Johnson on 08:11 - Feb 12 with 2192 views | AyewSerious |
| Adam Johnson on 08:05 - Feb 12 by AngelRangelQS |
Isn't the age of consent 13 in some countries? Shall we bring that in here too?
So if you had a sexually developed 13 year old, that would be ok then?
Your example of murder is totally irrelevant. Nobody is saying that they're morons just that they can clearly be quite easily manipulated which is clearly why the law is there in the first place. Throw in an experienced man who is 11 years older and it becomes a bit disturbing.
The reason I threw his profession and money in is that there are 50 year old men on here who would go weak at the knees if a professional footballer started giving them a bit of attention... What the hell do you think a 15 year old girl would be like... Irrespective of whether she had engaged in sexual activity with boys her own age? |
No Western forward thinking country has 13 the legal age.
Italy is 14, France is 15. Would i bring it down to that level? Maybe. Certainly 15. Which is the average European age of consent, and reflects the modern day society far more realistically than 16 where by which most have lost their virginity.
It isn't irrelevant, you cant expect them to shoulder blame for one offence and then in an other be completely devoid of rational thought. Where is the evidence she was manipulated then?
Of course money and a good peofession is a draw to the opposite sex, it is at all ages. Which is why I believe it was a two way thing and there was no convincing at all. Because common sense suggests no convincing would be needed for those exact reasons you highlighted. [Post edited 12 Feb 2016 8:13]
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| Adam Johnson on 08:24 - Feb 12 with 2172 views | raynor94 |
| Adam Johnson on 07:48 - Feb 12 by AyewSerious |
She absolutely is also to blame, she doesnt shoukder the majority of the blame I agree, but some, absolutely. they both were fully aware of the situation, to suggest otherwise is naive.
You are talking about 15 year olds as if they are idiotic morons devoid of any common sense or moralistic values. You know Wayne Rooney was a professional footballer scoring against Arsenal at 15 right? Say he murdered your wife, would you say "awww bless, he had absolutely no idea what he was doing, probably influenced by some online game". No.
It makes no difference how much he earns, it makes no difference what his job is (was). A 26 year old, for my money, is also still very young man indeed. I have no idea why in order to argue with my opinion people are changing what I am saying, probably due to the fact that there isnt enough material to argue with - but where have I suggested she "is a bit of a slag" then?
Far from it. Sexually active people are not "slags". She may have liked him, she still may do. But I have no doubt it was a two way thing, of course it was. I dont believe she needed "convincing" at all... And lets not forget, there is no accusation that any convincing took place. The term grooming, in this case, means they were texting fully aware of eachothers age and still wishing to have sexual contact.
Your question is not relevant regarding what age I would not not consider blame on the younger party - as in a situation like this (a two way underage sex case) I dont think the younger party would be in this situation if they were not sexually developed both mentally and physically.
Some are confusing underage sex (by a matter of months and legal in most european countries) with pedophillic rape. They are quite different and which is why he will barely barely serve 10 months in my opinion. [Post edited 12 Feb 2016 8:07]
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Yes I'm of an older generation, and feel quite sickened reading your posts, and as you say we don't understand the younger generation,well if that's the case then I really do despair for the future |  |
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| Adam Johnson on 08:28 - Feb 12 with 2165 views | AngelRangelQS |
| Adam Johnson on 08:11 - Feb 12 by AyewSerious |
No Western forward thinking country has 13 the legal age.
Italy is 14, France is 15. Would i bring it down to that level? Maybe. Certainly 15. Which is the average European age of consent, and reflects the modern day society far more realistically than 16 where by which most have lost their virginity.
It isn't irrelevant, you cant expect them to shoulder blame for one offence and then in an other be completely devoid of rational thought. Where is the evidence she was manipulated then?
Of course money and a good peofession is a draw to the opposite sex, it is at all ages. Which is why I believe it was a two way thing and there was no convincing at all. Because common sense suggests no convincing would be needed for those exact reasons you highlighted. [Post edited 12 Feb 2016 8:13]
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I'm not going to waste any more time arguing about this. I don't think that someone under the age of consent can truly consent to engage in sexual activity with someone 11 years older. You clearly do so we'll never agree.
Add the fact that he knew she was 15 and still continued to pursue her and I can't possibly see how anyone can view him as anything other than a vile sex offender. | | | |
| Adam Johnson on 08:36 - Feb 12 with 2142 views | ItchySphincter |
| Adam Johnson on 08:28 - Feb 12 by AngelRangelQS |
I'm not going to waste any more time arguing about this. I don't think that someone under the age of consent can truly consent to engage in sexual activity with someone 11 years older. You clearly do so we'll never agree.
Add the fact that he knew she was 15 and still continued to pursue her and I can't possibly see how anyone can view him as anything other than a vile sex offender. |
Those that are arguing that the age of consent should be lowered are a bit 'suspect' to me.
A thinly veiled endorsement of having sex with children. Paedo or not it's sex with children. |  |
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