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Well cite us some articles that have evidence of your thesis and I, along with all open-minded individuals (I'm sure) will consider the options for belief.
Just shouting "I'm right, cos I say so - you're wrong, a fool and incredulous" is not political discourse, it's more likelike religion...
I've tried various search terms and haven't yet been able to find anyone who agrees with your suggestion.
I agree, (from what I've read) that there was a banking crisis in Britain with elements somewhat independent of, but contributing to, the global situation, but these elements were of the bankers' making, not the Labour party.
ukip are a racist party we know it .just some dont want to admit it o excuses you are all voting ukip its all about race they are closet racists.
Ha ha ha yep I will putting on my Nazi jack boots and white hood when I go to vote UKIP this month Btw Do turn it in your Embarrsing yourself
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
I don't profess to know much about how the US and UK banks are linked but it was a no-brainer to me that banks in the UK (following the US like lambs, as usual) were giving out mortgages like confetti knowing full well it was going to cause massive problems years later. It didn't matter because they'd all be set for life on the commission made.
Around 2004 I had to get a small 2nd mortgage on my flat (a loan was unworkable) in order to pay off a £20,000 Capital Works invoice and I went to my bank. When we first went through the mortgage route, it was over in a couple of minutes and they said I could take out a mortgage of £99,000 (even though I only wanted £20k) without even really checking, or caring, whether I could afford the monthly payments. I couldn't, not a chance, but I thanked them and eventually just took the £20k required. Many other people could, and probably did, take a much larger amount than required or could afford. I could have done the same, taken £50k and used the extra to get a new motorbike, a new car, a holiday, gadget spending spree and so on. Luckily I had the strength to resist, many don't IMO. All too easy to fall into the buy-now-pay-later trap without thinking about whether you actually can pay it back.
Then, we went through the loan route. It took over half an hour and they scrutinised every minute aspect of my finances to see whether I could repay the loan.
"Why didn't you do this when we went through the mortgage route?" I asked. "with a mortgage we can reposes your property if you default, with a loan we can't". There ladies & gentlemen, IMO in one fell swoop was the cause of the problems.
The Royal Bank of Scotland specifically employed someone to warn the top brasses when he could start seeing things going wrong at ground level before it escalated. He warned them but they ignored him, because they were making huge bonuses, and they even sacked him.
Youtube brings up loads of doucumentries on how banks have completely screwed us over. Then we bail the cnts out with £45billion of taxpayers money.
I voted for Blair and last time the tories. As said this time UKIP. What are you alluding at, that all UKIP voters previously voted BNP?
I think that the BNP had about 2% of the vote didn't they and UKIP are now what 15%? Obviously we've bred ourselves a lot of 'racists' since 2010. Or maybe, just maybe, some people are talking bollocks.
I'd always voted Labour but the thing I feel strongest about is this: For good or bad I want the government that is voted in by the people of this country to be the one, and only one, that governs this country. Right now all we have is a body in Westminster that rubber stamps the EUs decisions. And I f'kin hate that.
do you know what, ive taken a step back... we all love the same team.. a team with class, history and a bit differnt from the norm.
a team with history , style and passion.a special club.
i even share the same musical tastes with a few blokes on here from dylan to long john baldry to orbitol.
fkn politics ruins it all.
havent got a thing in common with a lot of fellas on here but blue and white hoops..
i miss 18 stone of hoop on here, and the rucking between us makes me puke.
im guilty as charged for winding people up, but im working class and share the same love of film , music etc etc as many of you.
just come back from hospital to see my boy with cf..fk politics, there are far more important things in life.
how can i post on the frankie thread, a thread about unity, equality and hope and then ruck with someone on here about brown/millband/farage/clegg
we are many.we are legion.we are qpr..
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Hear, hear brother. Love is the key.
People trying to blame one party or another for a DELIBERATELY CREATED FINANCIAL situation is pointless. In the last 10 years the 1000 richest people in this country have increased their wealth by more than £300 Billion. More than doubled (and the figure doesn't include their bank accounts), in 10 years, during a so called 'Financial Crisis'. And we're told that there is less to go round for us and we have to start going without and targeting our services and support for our most vulnerable members. Absolute joke and a filthy, filthy con.
I understand the UKIP vote but I can promise you all it won't change anything worth changing. Farage is just the latest system puppet. Those at the top will always squeeze the maximum they can out of us. They're trying to push us back to Victorian times and whether we stop immigration or not they'll be taking more for themselves as always, whatever colour rosette our PM wears.
For those who like to opine about borrowing and spending and such, watch this, learn that 99% of money is debt and thus it's very existence ensures that we are all in ultimately, inescapably in debt.
I voted for Blair and last time the tories. As said this time UKIP. What are you alluding at, that all UKIP voters previously voted BNP?
I think it's an interesting question, when a party rises from nothing to take a decent share of the votes. Are their voters moving from one particular party or from across the board or are they pulling in non-voters.
Anyway weekend is here let's follow discodroids lead and forget the politics and focus on the hoops.
do you know what, ive taken a step back... we all love the same team.. a team with class, history and a bit differnt from the norm.
a team with history , style and passion.a special club.
i even share the same musical tastes with a few blokes on here from dylan to long john baldry to orbitol.
fkn politics ruins it all.
havent got a thing in common with a lot of fellas on here but blue and white hoops..
i miss 18 stone of hoop on here, and the rucking between us makes me puke.
im guilty as charged for winding people up, but im working class and share the same love of film , music etc etc as many of you.
just come back from hospital to see my boy with cf..fk politics, there are far more important things in life.
how can i post on the frankie thread, a thread about unity, equality and hope and then ruck with someone on here about brown/millband/farage/clegg
we are many.we are legion.we are qpr..
[Post edited 1 May 2015 16:31]
Amen to that brother. Have stayed out of this one cos it just goes round in f*ckin circles. I reckon most of us are probably decent types who believe in a well run society with a bit of equality for all. The question is how you go about achieving it. Tough one that.
I think it's an interesting question, when a party rises from nothing to take a decent share of the votes. Are their voters moving from one particular party or from across the board or are they pulling in non-voters.
Anyway weekend is here let's follow discodroids lead and forget the politics and focus on the hoops.
"Are their voters moving from one particular party or from across the board or are they pulling in non-voters. "
Yep. Add 'floating voters' to that and it's pretty much the exact reason I asked.
Batmanhoop, I wasn't having a pop . I'm genuinely curious.
"Are their voters moving from one particular party or from across the board or are they pulling in non-voters. "
Yep. Add 'floating voters' to that and it's pretty much the exact reason I asked.
Batmanhoop, I wasn't having a pop . I'm genuinely curious.
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fair enough Nelly, I think we can all agree we are not that happy with any of them. But as Disco says, more important matters in hand. Come on urrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr's
Question for those voting UKIP. Who did you vote for in previous elections?
Genuinely interested.
In 20 odd years ive never voted , but for the 1st time I will be voting UKIP I will vote for them as i will never vote Labour due to the huge fcuk up they made for 13 years in power, their legacy will carry on until my daughter is my age, that's coming from someone who is married into socialists , my missus and her father are socialists to the core but I will never vote tory either , back in the early 90's I watched my old man work his fingers to the bone day & night to keep a roof over his head when the interest rate was nearly 15% it killed him, so fcuk them this is a protest vote, im sick of whats happened to this country of ours , im sick of labour & the tories Im sick of gangs of eastern Europeans meeting for rucks in my local park, im sick of gangs of Somali lads meeting at my daughters school gates to knive each other, im sick of the benefit culture this country has let happen, the NHS on its arse , housing being at a minimum I know UKIP wont get in , but its better than Millband, Cameron and the like , and if others call me racist then I couldn't care less
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
The problem with the Left is whilst they love playing the historical blame game they are not quite so vocal when it comes to solutions for the here and now.
One thing I do agree with you, pre Thatcher there was less inequality. Pre Thatcher we all lived hand to mouth. Therein probably lies the left's solution, convince the public that we can wipe out inequality by making us all equally poor, it nearly worked in the Soviet Union. Maybe Milliband is on to something.
Not quite sure how 'the left' somehow seems my tribe, based on this post. No praise here for current or past leadership in that area.
As regards pre-Thatcher equality meaning that everyone was poor, I don't think that really holds up : and I did say that the most tendentious would have problems with this analysis. With a confirmed 9.7 million people in this country living in poverty, it's impossible to argue sensibly -imho - that the rising tide of riches has floated all boats.
My actual opinion ? It's sad and telling that a desire for fair reward (not equal, just fair) and condemnation for a system which happily sees so many children starve in one of the world's richest countries marks anyone out as 'left wing'. The UK has lost entirely its sense of proportion in respect of market operations, and, as I asserted, civil unrest is not far down the road as a result. For me, not wanting that is common sense rather than Marxist raving loony.
We need a thriving private sector to create wealth : this we know. The workings of the world mean that even in a fair society, you can make a case for a City worker to be earning 20 times more than a nurse who's saving lives every day. But 200 times more than a nurse ? 2000 times more ? We can all only live in one place at once, eat one dinner, rest our head (ultimately) on one pillow. How is the hoarding, therefore, of these ludicrous sums anything but madness ?
Inequality and the racing away of the richest have made the effects of everything experienced at the sharp end worse : the depletion of already scarce resources by mass immigration, shrinking numbers of houses built, wages stagnant as a dying market races to the bottom.
The solutions lie not in either taxing people to the hilt OR continuing to let things rip in pinstripe land. We need a national revaluation to aspire towards the world's fairer economies (and they exist, look at Scandanavia). This will take a long, long time and cross-party acknowledgement of the massive problem we have.
Only starting down this road would give me hope for the future, though.
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