| Madsen Mins 11:10 - Jan 8 with 10561 views | LazyFan |
It seems his mins playing for QPR as a trend are going down per game.
That as a trend.
Lets start with the Stoke game in November when our good run of form began (some may say it was later) to see how the mins on the pitch have gone.
D - Stoke = 61
W - Cardiff = 81
D - Watford = 64
W - Norwich = 67
W - Oxford = 67
D - Bristol = 16
W - Preston = Benched
L - Swansea = 45
D - Norwich = 32
W - Watford = 13
W - Luton = Benched.
Fear my Jack Supple analytical powers!
It looks like he's a sub being considered less and less, with Varane, Colback, Field and Morgan ahead of him. He seems to be only just ahead of EDB at the moment. If he goes higher up the formation, he has to compete with Saito, Chair, Smyth, Frey, Kolli, Llyod and even Andersen.
So, I expect him to start against Leicester so as the others get a rest, probably in for Morgan.
But unless he ups his game a lot, I cannot see a way back for him at the moment.
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| Madsen Mins on 10:04 - Jan 10 with 1676 views | BrizR |
| Madsen Mins on 09:59 - Jan 10 by Hunterhoop |
He’ll be kept out by Colback as well…
Madsen has the technique. But he has not displayed the work rate, physicality, and reading of the game you need to play in the Championship in the middle of the pitch, certainly not in our 4141 shape. He needs to run more, compete more, and tackle more. If he does this, great. If he doesn’t he does not deserve to play. Our improvement in form and results has correlated with his reduced game time and lack of starts. It’s not unconnected.
Unfortunately I suspect he is one of these footballers who doesn’t really have a position, and doesn’t fit in our shape or style at all. Begs the question why we signed him, but we’ve been through that before. |
Yes, I tend to think of it as Colback/Field/Varane (pick two), but there's no reason Colback doesn't slot in to Morgan's position as I believe he did on Monday. Perhaps Madsen can get a game in the week Jack is inevitably suspended! |  | | |
| Madsen Mins on 10:11 - Jan 10 with 1660 views | thehat |
Good job I wasn't in the dressing room after Derby away - I wanted to lynch Madsen that day. He has been woeful so far and was a big part of our problem early season.
However I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet. If anyone can get him up to the standard required it will be Marti and the coaching team. No doubt he has natural technical ability but you need so much more in today's Championship. | | | |
| Madsen Mins on 13:45 - Jan 10 with 1504 views | Watford_Ranger |
The tweak in formation doesn’t help his chances. The short term success we’ve had has been with a 4-3-3 rather than a 4-2-3-1. Clearly he’s not Field or Varane’s natural replacement and he’s not really Morgan’s and certainly not a wide player or striker so unless we’re chasing a game and trying something different I don’t see where he fits into Plan A if what we have now is Plan A. | | | |
| Madsen Mins on 14:34 - Jan 10 with 1389 views | R_from_afar |
| Madsen Mins on 22:23 - Jan 8 by Logman |
I agree with pretty much all of the above. Long and short of it is that I think Marti wants us to play a high tempo game with and without the ball. I imagine Madsen was bought on the grounds of being technically good, in the hope that that would translate to being technically good while being able to cover the ground and being combative to enable us to play the high tempo game in and out of position.
I don't ever recall seeing a player going from being a playmaker to a dynamo at any time in their career so I think it's unlikely that Madsen will be a regular for us at any time.
It's an interesting question. Has there ever been an example of a player who has gone from being a playmaker to a dynamo ? [Post edited 8 Jan 22:29]
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"It's an interesting question. Has there ever been an example of a player who has gone from being a playmaker to a dynamo ?"
It's perhaps not quite the same but latterly, Taarabt has played as a defensive midfielder, in contrast to earlier in his career. |  |
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| Madsen Mins on 14:44 - Jan 10 with 1366 views | Stainrod |
| Madsen Mins on 20:18 - Jan 9 by nix |
I remember when Chris Willock joined us a lot of people thought he was lightweight but they worked on his upper body and core strength and he became much more robust. Just wondering whether he needs a bit of additional strength training?
It still seems a bit early to write him off but I admit also I kept the faith too long with Dozzell after you lot kept telling me. |
The problem, IMHO, is not that he is "lightweight". He is tall and well built from what I can see 30 yards away. The problem is he doesn't seem to try. if you are a modern footballer and don't run or apparently even attempt to head the ball or tackle, how is that remotely acceptable? Maybe a once in a generation Adel like player can get away with it in the Championship, but he is a million miles short of being that. Players can bulk up, but its hard to avoid the conclusion that with Madsen its more about attitude. | | | |
| Madsen Mins on 15:03 - Jan 10 with 1329 views | nix |
| Madsen Mins on 14:44 - Jan 10 by Stainrod |
The problem, IMHO, is not that he is "lightweight". He is tall and well built from what I can see 30 yards away. The problem is he doesn't seem to try. if you are a modern footballer and don't run or apparently even attempt to head the ball or tackle, how is that remotely acceptable? Maybe a once in a generation Adel like player can get away with it in the Championship, but he is a million miles short of being that. Players can bulk up, but its hard to avoid the conclusion that with Madsen its more about attitude. |
Do you think that's something you can't resolve? |  | | |
| Madsen Mins on 15:24 - Jan 10 with 1280 views | kensalriser |
Would it help if we got his dad in to shout 'run around more and kick some effing shins, son!' from the touchline? |  |
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| Madsen Mins on 16:24 - Jan 10 with 1187 views | Lblock |
| Madsen Mins on 20:18 - Jan 9 by nix |
I remember when Chris Willock joined us a lot of people thought he was lightweight but they worked on his upper body and core strength and he became much more robust. Just wondering whether he needs a bit of additional strength training?
It still seems a bit early to write him off but I admit also I kept the faith too long with Dozzell after you lot kept telling me. |
You make an interesting point Re: C Willock
I was totally wrong about him and it is immense credit to the coaches / fitness people at the club at that time the job they did with him.
Sure I read something from Warburton that they had to get into his head and make him believe in himself and from that flowed the hard work and endeavour. He went from a lame duck in my eyes to being a £5Mill player in my thoughts when he was flying before his Wrigleys Spearment Gum hamstrings blew up.
However..... the things Willock had in his favour that Madsen doesn't and never will have are that Chris had pace plus he was / is a London boy and settled off the pitch on an immediate basis; he also cost us buttons comparatively speaking.
I do hope Madsen proves me wrong as did Master Willock |  |
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| Madsen Mins on 16:28 - Jan 10 with 1173 views | Hunterhoop |
| Madsen Mins on 13:45 - Jan 10 by Watford_Ranger |
The tweak in formation doesn’t help his chances. The short term success we’ve had has been with a 4-3-3 rather than a 4-2-3-1. Clearly he’s not Field or Varane’s natural replacement and he’s not really Morgan’s and certainly not a wide player or striker so unless we’re chasing a game and trying something different I don’t see where he fits into Plan A if what we have now is Plan A. |
I think it is more of an asymmetrical 4141 shape more than a flat 3 in a 433. Varane is definitely the “6” and both Field and Morgan sit higher than him, pressing, getting into the oppo’s box, and supporting the wingers, even making underlapping runs into the channel ahead of the wingers. Varane rarely gets within 40 yards of the opponent’s goal! He’a sitting deeper, shielding, and operating as a single pivot, with the other two being all action, box to box players. You can say it is a variation on 433 but I think 4141 is more accurate. Neither Chair/Saito or Smyth get narrow to support Frey; they tend to stay wide so they can sling it in for him, with Field or Morgan getting up in support of Frey.
The whole shape only works because of Field’s and Morgan’s industry. It’s why I cannot see Madsen ever being part of Plan A, without suddenly demonstrating a much higher work rate and physicality. |  | | |
| Madsen Mins on 17:20 - Jan 10 with 1104 views | simmo |
| Madsen Mins on 16:28 - Jan 10 by Hunterhoop |
I think it is more of an asymmetrical 4141 shape more than a flat 3 in a 433. Varane is definitely the “6” and both Field and Morgan sit higher than him, pressing, getting into the oppo’s box, and supporting the wingers, even making underlapping runs into the channel ahead of the wingers. Varane rarely gets within 40 yards of the opponent’s goal! He’a sitting deeper, shielding, and operating as a single pivot, with the other two being all action, box to box players. You can say it is a variation on 433 but I think 4141 is more accurate. Neither Chair/Saito or Smyth get narrow to support Frey; they tend to stay wide so they can sling it in for him, with Field or Morgan getting up in support of Frey.
The whole shape only works because of Field’s and Morgan’s industry. It’s why I cannot see Madsen ever being part of Plan A, without suddenly demonstrating a much higher work rate and physicality. |
Agree with your view of the formation (although that position is a '4' for me - as 6 is a CB ;)), we never really play a flat 3 in midfield, and one of the reasons Morgan has looked so good is that he has the legs to shuttle and press, we're a different team with some dynamism in the middle - something we've lacked for a long time.
Although it was only really done for the first hour of the Norwich game - (until Field went off) - we had a 433 with 2 midfilders sitting against Norwich. In that case it was Morgan and Field and it worked great. Not only did we have more success playing out from the back into midfield, as we had 2 options to pass to and Morgan was much better at it than the others, but it also meant the 4 ahead and the full backs had more freedom.
I think Varane has been much improved these last few months, but I was hoping we'd try that again when possible, and it will allow us to have more of a typical 8/10 ahead of the 2 - which could be Chair/Madsen (and would also mean we can play both Illy and Saito) [Post edited 10 Jan 17:40]
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| Madsen Mins on 17:37 - Jan 10 with 1046 views | Stainrod |
| Madsen Mins on 15:03 - Jan 10 by nix |
Do you think that's something you can't resolve? |
Well my view of human nature is not so bleak as to think no one can ever change.
But honestly, Madsen was being selected week after week and we were getting slaughtered with opposition players just running round through him at will. As others have said he shirked the challenge to allow Norwich to score recently so as yet I have seen very little improvement. We must assume, given what a good coach Marti is, that he might have politely suggested that a little more effort would be appreciated. But it’s not happening. The man would apparently rather be humiliated and have an 18-year-old virtual work experience lad take his place than pull his finger out. How many more chances can we afford to give him? What doesn’t he get? | | | |
| Madsen Mins on 17:38 - Jan 10 with 1041 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Madsen Mins on 16:28 - Jan 10 by Hunterhoop |
I think it is more of an asymmetrical 4141 shape more than a flat 3 in a 433. Varane is definitely the “6” and both Field and Morgan sit higher than him, pressing, getting into the oppo’s box, and supporting the wingers, even making underlapping runs into the channel ahead of the wingers. Varane rarely gets within 40 yards of the opponent’s goal! He’a sitting deeper, shielding, and operating as a single pivot, with the other two being all action, box to box players. You can say it is a variation on 433 but I think 4141 is more accurate. Neither Chair/Saito or Smyth get narrow to support Frey; they tend to stay wide so they can sling it in for him, with Field or Morgan getting up in support of Frey.
The whole shape only works because of Field’s and Morgan’s industry. It’s why I cannot see Madsen ever being part of Plan A, without suddenly demonstrating a much higher work rate and physicality. |
It’s taken me 20 years to accept calling players a ‘10’. 6s, 8s and double-pivots are beyond me. Hit Les, hit Les over the top. | | | |
| Madsen Mins on 18:00 - Jan 10 with 1014 views | baz_qpr |
| Madsen Mins on 14:44 - Jan 10 by Stainrod |
The problem, IMHO, is not that he is "lightweight". He is tall and well built from what I can see 30 yards away. The problem is he doesn't seem to try. if you are a modern footballer and don't run or apparently even attempt to head the ball or tackle, how is that remotely acceptable? Maybe a once in a generation Adel like player can get away with it in the Championship, but he is a million miles short of being that. Players can bulk up, but its hard to avoid the conclusion that with Madsen its more about attitude. |
I dont think that is true that he does not try. He has been coached as is "the modern way" to cut of passing lines in shape, flying into physical tackles is a very British thing a very championship and below thing. The game is much faster and he is struggling to adjust. He covers as much ground as anyone else. He might be doing poorly but he certainly aint not trying. |  | | |
| Madsen Mins on 16:06 - Jan 11 with 761 views | Stainrod |
| Madsen Mins on 18:00 - Jan 10 by baz_qpr |
I dont think that is true that he does not try. He has been coached as is "the modern way" to cut of passing lines in shape, flying into physical tackles is a very British thing a very championship and below thing. The game is much faster and he is struggling to adjust. He covers as much ground as anyone else. He might be doing poorly but he certainly aint not trying. |
Genuine question, so were you impressed by his performance today? Were you proud to have a player like that representing Queens Park Rangers? Seeing as the problem for Madsen is apparently that the Championship isn't sophisticated enough for him, did you think that against Premiership opposition he was deftly "cutting off passing lines in shape"? As the game is apparently more measured and sedate at Premier League level, did you feel this enabled him to impose himself on the game while covering all that ground? Did you admire how hard he was trying?
Admittedly it was very foggy but by the 42nd minute the commentator hadn't mentioned his name once. He might have been snuggled up in a blanket in the dugout, or sitting on a deckchair out on the right wing. I doubt it would have made the slightest difference to the result from my more basic perspective.
How he apparently stayed on the pitch will have to remain a mystery to those simple souls like me who naively believe the job of a midfielder is to win the ball and pass it. Perhaps, as you imply, and the Championship isn't good enough for a man of his talents. I just wish some club who appreciates those talents would take him so he can display those talents on a bigger stage. | | | |
| Madsen Mins on 16:09 - Jan 11 with 745 views | baz_qpr |
| Madsen Mins on 16:06 - Jan 11 by Stainrod |
Genuine question, so were you impressed by his performance today? Were you proud to have a player like that representing Queens Park Rangers? Seeing as the problem for Madsen is apparently that the Championship isn't sophisticated enough for him, did you think that against Premiership opposition he was deftly "cutting off passing lines in shape"? As the game is apparently more measured and sedate at Premier League level, did you feel this enabled him to impose himself on the game while covering all that ground? Did you admire how hard he was trying?
Admittedly it was very foggy but by the 42nd minute the commentator hadn't mentioned his name once. He might have been snuggled up in a blanket in the dugout, or sitting on a deckchair out on the right wing. I doubt it would have made the slightest difference to the result from my more basic perspective.
How he apparently stayed on the pitch will have to remain a mystery to those simple souls like me who naively believe the job of a midfielder is to win the ball and pass it. Perhaps, as you imply, and the Championship isn't good enough for a man of his talents. I just wish some club who appreciates those talents would take him so he can display those talents on a bigger stage. |
No frankly, I've defended him but that today is as bad as he has been. I think the criticism has been OTT at times but no defending that today. Had the opportunity to make an impact and failed to take it. | | | |
| Madsen Mins on 16:13 - Jan 11 with 711 views | Rangersw12 |
Another disgraceful performance from him
He does nothing and just sets the tone for the day
Hopefully he never plays for us again | | | |
| Madsen Mins on 16:14 - Jan 11 with 705 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Madsen Mins on 18:00 - Jan 10 by baz_qpr |
I dont think that is true that he does not try. He has been coached as is "the modern way" to cut of passing lines in shape, flying into physical tackles is a very British thing a very championship and below thing. The game is much faster and he is struggling to adjust. He covers as much ground as anyone else. He might be doing poorly but he certainly aint not trying. |
Played like he was stoned. | | | |
| Madsen Mins on 16:16 - Jan 11 with 685 views | Westway |
Madsen was horrific today. If I were a team mate of his I'd be calling him out in the changing room right now. He just ambled through ninety minutes of football.
I get that Marti wants to rest players, but by playing Madsen both Field and Varane have to work twice as hard to carry him. |  | | |
| Madsen Mins on 16:20 - Jan 11 with 646 views | Logman |
| Madsen Mins on 16:14 - Jan 11 by Watford_Ranger |
Played like he was stoned. |
He visibly slows up when he gets near a challenge. There is simply no way that you can do that as a professional. He'd struggle enough on a Sunday morning with that mentality. He needs to find another, non-contact sport. | | | |
| Madsen Mins on 16:25 - Jan 11 with 625 views | Rangersw12 |
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| Madsen Mins on 16:30 - Jan 11 with 605 views | Stainrod |
| Madsen Mins on 16:09 - Jan 11 by baz_qpr |
No frankly, I've defended him but that today is as bad as he has been. I think the criticism has been OTT at times but no defending that today. Had the opportunity to make an impact and failed to take it. |
Thank you for your honesty. Only thing i disagree with there is that the criticism has been over the top. I think its been under-stated. I genuinely think he is a disgrace. Factor in the transfer fee, and presumably the wages that go with it, (judging by the photos he posts of himself on social media carrying bags from Harvey Nicks and dining at Bardo) he must be the worst signing since Mark Hateley or Ned Zelic. | | | |
| Madsen Mins on 16:34 - Jan 11 with 571 views | joe90 |
Definitely a player there… |  | | |
| Madsen Mins on 16:36 - Jan 11 with 560 views | BklynRanger |
Problem is, iirc, we've payed decent money for him.
So we loan him to someone and get them to work wonders on him - absolutely no idea who.
Or we sell him, again to whom, no idea. Quite possibly at a loss.
Or we endure these teeth grinding performances until he improves. He showed the odd sign a month or so ago, I thought - got a yellow card at one point! But that all seems to have evaporated. |  | | |
| Madsen Mins on 16:37 - Jan 11 with 551 views | Rangersw12 |
N/T [Post edited 11 Jan 16:39]
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| Madsen Mins on 16:41 - Jan 11 with 527 views | connell10 |
| Madsen Mins on 16:37 - Jan 11 by Rangersw12 |
N/T [Post edited 11 Jan 16:39]
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Let's face it he is ineffective, passive, tippy tippy player! |  |
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