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I'll start by saying, this is not my forum usually. But the artist formally known as Twitter has become an echo chamber of monstrous proportion.
Nourry needs to be removed from his post ASAP before he can do any more damage, there is a vandalism of our club happening and it needs to stop immediately.
But how do we do it? I feel like fans and supporters groups have been weak for a long time now. There were some great folk back when we are in administration that were with QPR 1st.
I've heard rumours of some stuff happening, but it needs to be coordinated and it needs to happen ASAP.
I'd honestly be close to being done with QPR if they sack Marti who is the only bloody good thing about this club right now.
Someone needs to bring this together, protests for protests sake do not work. It needs to have purpose, be targeted and ask the right questions and have the right people involved.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 10:54 - Nov 10 with 2987 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 08:01 - Nov 10 by GaryBannister86
You're right, but symptoms needs to be tackled too.
It's such a weird one with the owners. Protesting against owners is obviously a fine balance, especially in our situation, but is usually provoked - like Reading - if they are evil people (ours don't seem to be), just want to deliberately kill the club (doesn't seem like it), are egotistical maniacs (we don't see them enough) - so we have a combination that makes it difficult to raise collective anger.
There is of course the other point that the presumption some other wealthy person will just be chomping at the bit to take over and replace them is a bit far-fetched and it is better the devil you know.
It's their decision making I want to protest against, not the people themselves. Not sure how that works.
Sensible post because it's the decision making that's the problem, Rubén from all we can see from the outside is a good man and only has the best interests of the club at heart.
He has put his trust in other people to make decisions as he is based thousands of miles away from Loftus Road, but as you will rightly say he must have the final say on some issues he's the one keeping the club afloat.
That said I'm quite sure he wasn't involved in all of the Summer transfers they are down to Nourry and Belk, once the people have been appointed he lets them get on with the job. The reason we're in such a mess is because a number of the deals we did in the summer were incredibly naive and did not allow for needing players with Championship experience to be recruited or retained, I'd Dykes and Larkeche would be a big help at the moment.
So the recruitment of Nourry was very poor because he was and is far too inexperienced, to give him so much power was asking for trouble and for that I blame Lee Hoos, some of this is guesswork but I think he was so impressed by Nourry in his other work he thought he could take over and run a football club without any football knowledge. To give Nourry the role of CEO and DOF was madness, he's an intelligent young man but that's it, we need experience at the top running the budget and making the decisions.
We cant get new owners at the moment but Hoos should step aside immediately and they should replace Nourry and Belk as well, a clean sweep.....
Have a look at other Championship clubs transfer dealings in the Summer, far more intelligence used to create balanced squads and not just using a bunch of statistics.
There's plenty of examples out there of bringing players in to improve clubs, one that immediately springs to mind is Ipswich last year picking up Luongo for nothing and him playing all season alongside Morsy, the point being we didn't look at anything else apart from a bunch of analytics.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 10:55 - Nov 10 with 2977 views
I don't see the advantage of anyone leaving before the season is out.
And in terms of fan mobilisation, well, this is it: multiple threads on messageboards, social media uproar (and quite a few tantrums), fans giving players the bird at the end of matches and QPR bottom of the table...this is all a million times more powerful a message for the board than a strongly worded letter from a fans group and 150 supporters standing outside the main entrance chanting.
Nothing substantial can be done before January anyway. All the people signing cheques - ie Ruben - will be very aware of the kind of people we've signed in previous seasons to dig us out . And now Recruitment + Nourry will be told to sign those kind of players regardless of 'the model'. I bet they do.
Then, in the summer, the blood-letting will begin, whichever division we find ourselves in. All the seeds have been sown for that.
One caveat: yes, we are in a relegation battle. Have been from the start. But three successive wins can upend that in this division and with injuries clearing and a couple of canny signings (on huge wages) in January could make that a reality. I've been in panic mode since watching the team early on, but I definitely don't think all is lost.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:26 - Nov 10 with 2793 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 10:48 - Nov 10 by Ned_Kennedys
Good post. Unsuitable player recruitment and excessive injuries are the main reason we are bottom of the table: I’d look at the recruitment and medical teams before the owners, Nourry or Cifuentes as that’s where the issues are.
Both of those things are Nourry’s responsibility, the latter department is chock full of the “performance” people he’s brought in on the promise of improving our injury record.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:30 - Nov 10 with 2750 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 10:30 - Nov 10 by bosh67
Okay, so conversely, Nourry came in last year, made the right management decisions, brought in the right players and it all looked good. He got rid of Dozzell to let us get in Hayden and Hayden saved the season. In close season I didn't hear too many fans screaming when Dembele, Saito, Morrison, Nardi, Madsen, Varane and Cesar joined. Perhaps a few questioned getting Varane over Hayden and why we seemed hellbent on offloading Paal but there are always going to be questions. Everyone thought selling Armstrong (with a follow on fee) and Dykes for a combined £3.5m+ was good business.
I'd argue that so far, despite the dismal season that Nardi and Saito have looked like good signings. Madsen and Cesar have been very disappointing so far. Dembele, Morrison and Varane almost too early to tell, with two out of the 3 out a lot and Varane missing 3 games to a red. Also hard to judge in a severely weakened side.
Is Nourry to blame for JCS, Chair, Frey, Paal (who stayed and looked fine), Colback, Dembele, Kolli and Fox all being out for extended periods? Take JCS, Paal, Chair, Frey, Colback out and the team is severely weakened. That's more to do with what we can afford in terms of cover for the squad rather than anything else.
Obviously the stat led buys and loans this season seem to have largely backfired and perhaps we missed a few tricks including not investing in division safety with Hayden (who may have also got injured) and possibly we would have been better getting Langstaff as a forward, although he has only scored 1 in 12 for Millwall so far.
My argument is that squad depth and our recruitment strategy have been the obvious issues. Not having a 3rd experienced at EFL level forward and not disclosing deal lengths have all been errors. The club is run on a show string and that hasn't changed. What Nourry inherited hasn't changed. The club has been hamstrung since the massive fine and has done well not to go under.
Belk for me is far more culpable than Nourry and perhaps he needs to swing the axe there or appoint a far more crass roots approach to finding players here in the UK rather than looking abroad.
But the reason we sit rock bottom is more to do with losing the spine of the team to extended injuries and just not having the depth of squad to then compensate. We don't have a magic money tree. It's a culmination of all the mistakes Fernandes's era left us in. So we can slaughter Nourry for some mistakes or just realise that we are here because of bad mismanagement from an owner who is no longer here.
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While I agree with a lot of this - including that we made some sensible (Nardi, Morisson, Saito, Dembele) or worth the gamble signings (Varane, Hevertton given he was free), Nourry's big failing has been the allocation of our transfer budget. And the huge mistake here was Madsen (Celar is indeed cr@p, but I can personally forgive that one.... in the end strikers are tough to recruit, he had scored goals and it was 1.5m). As I said at the time (before even seeing him play), 2.5 to 3.5m for Madsen was not the best use of our limited budget. Nourry will have greenlit that transfer, and it's basically due to that poor decision (plus a couple of other ones) that we have no backup left back, no third striker, no midfield 8.... with a different use of that Madsen fee and a different decision on Dykes, none of those problems exist and with some depth maybe we're sitting in lower mid table instead of bottom.
If you're going to blow that figure on transfer fees at QPR these days you'd better be damn sure you've got it right. And Nourry could not have got it more wrong in a player who wasn't needed, isn't adapted to the league and doesn't fit in the team. Then you've got that long list of bizarre things he's also overseeing like head of performance being abroad and a mounting injury list, crap comms, etc etc.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:33 - Nov 10 with 2730 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:30 - Nov 10 by bongo_king
While I agree with a lot of this - including that we made some sensible (Nardi, Morisson, Saito, Dembele) or worth the gamble signings (Varane, Hevertton given he was free), Nourry's big failing has been the allocation of our transfer budget. And the huge mistake here was Madsen (Celar is indeed cr@p, but I can personally forgive that one.... in the end strikers are tough to recruit, he had scored goals and it was 1.5m). As I said at the time (before even seeing him play), 2.5 to 3.5m for Madsen was not the best use of our limited budget. Nourry will have greenlit that transfer, and it's basically due to that poor decision (plus a couple of other ones) that we have no backup left back, no third striker, no midfield 8.... with a different use of that Madsen fee and a different decision on Dykes, none of those problems exist and with some depth maybe we're sitting in lower mid table instead of bottom.
If you're going to blow that figure on transfer fees at QPR these days you'd better be damn sure you've got it right. And Nourry could not have got it more wrong in a player who wasn't needed, isn't adapted to the league and doesn't fit in the team. Then you've got that long list of bizarre things he's also overseeing like head of performance being abroad and a mounting injury list, crap comms, etc etc.
At this point it's not just about misuse of transfer funds. There are other things at play that are surfacing.
Lots of people that are longer in the tooth than I am, told me to be wary, but I was in the "wary of him, but willing to give him a chance" camp around the time of the Fans Forum. I'm angry at myself for not seeing him for the charlatan he really is sooner.
That Fans Forum is always at the wrong point of the season, it always gets the club off the hook.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:41 - Nov 10 with 2653 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 10:48 - Nov 10 by Ned_Kennedys
Good post. Unsuitable player recruitment and excessive injuries are the main reason we are bottom of the table: I’d look at the recruitment and medical teams before the owners, Nourry or Cifuentes as that’s where the issues are.
Just WOW to that answer. The medical and recruitment departments are overseen by.......Nourry! Who in turn was employed by....... Ruben!
The buck starts and ends with the owner who employed Nourry, who has kept Hoos on, who accept a lack of standards. Nourry already overhauled everything and he's managed to make it worse.
This club is not staying up. It needs a complete reset with the owners selling up. I have no idea who would by a club in West London with a decent history, loyal fan base and loads of potential.
But this is on Ruben's, Hoo and Nourry. And they all need getting rid of.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:54 - Nov 10 with 2569 views
Just WOW to that answer. The medical and recruitment departments are overseen by.......Nourry! Who in turn was employed by....... Ruben!
The buck starts and ends with the owner who employed Nourry, who has kept Hoos on, who accept a lack of standards. Nourry already overhauled everything and he's managed to make it worse.
This club is not staying up. It needs a complete reset with the owners selling up. I have no idea who would by a club in West London with a decent history, loyal fan base and loads of potential.
But this is on Ruben's, Hoo and Nourry. And they all need getting rid of.
Agree but in the short term, Nourry needs to be removed from his post as he is actually dangerous.
He is a poundland Flavio wannabe.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 12:29 - Nov 10 with 2441 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:54 - Nov 10 by Markofthegrove
Agree but in the short term, Nourry needs to be removed from his post as he is actually dangerous.
He is a poundland Flavio wannabe.
OK, so do you honestly think the owners will not completely fck the next appointment? This season has gone. It needs to be a long-term fix, or else next season will be exactly the same.
Just in L1.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 12:37 - Nov 10 with 2386 views
OK, so do you honestly think the owners will not completely fck the next appointment? This season has gone. It needs to be a long-term fix, or else next season will be exactly the same.
Just in L1.
I agree, this squad wouldn't finish in top 10 in league 1 because they don't tackle, get shots on target, win duels etc.
Nourry is a symptom of the real cause, you remove him, then appeal to Reuben to get around the table with fans groups.
There are people that have worked at the club previously, QPR 1st, it's the only way forward. We can't just let it keep happening anymore.
Deal with the symptom first (Nourry), then get around the table with the owners somehow.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 12:42 - Nov 10 with 2349 views
I would say in the short term Hoos should step back in to prepare for January. Whatever budget is left they will need to let the manager have his head on signings. None of this ideal but needs must. Very very obvious this is a shambles at the top and the patient needs resuscitation now with treatment later. Hold on to the manager please.
If the owners are not on a conference call today about this I would be amazed.
longer term we need new owners who are both benevolent and know what they are doing.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 12:47 - Nov 10 with 2289 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 11:26 - Nov 10 by Northernr
Both of those things are Nourry’s responsibility, the latter department is chock full of the “performance” people he’s brought in on the promise of improving our injury record.
Sure they are Nourry’s responsibility and he’s doing a very poor job with both departments.
However Belk has been in his job forever and massively pre-dates Nourry’s 10 months here and in his time has a very poor success rate on signings overall. Wouldn’t let him anywhere near the January transfer window.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 12:55 - Nov 10 with 2239 views
Didn't see many complaining when we were signing all these players. I think most were actually complimentary about us having a clear out and a policy of signing younger, exciting players with potential. I think we need to give it more time before we start sacking everyone in sight. I believe MC is still learning about the EFL and needs to develop a plan B in line with the capabilities of the current makeshift team instead of sticking to his philosophy of playing out from the back which 9 times out of 10 gets us in trouble.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 13:16 - Nov 10 with 2141 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 13:10 - Nov 10 by richpr
Didn't see many complaining when we were signing all these players. I think most were actually complimentary about us having a clear out and a policy of signing younger, exciting players with potential. I think we need to give it more time before we start sacking everyone in sight. I believe MC is still learning about the EFL and needs to develop a plan B in line with the capabilities of the current makeshift team instead of sticking to his philosophy of playing out from the back which 9 times out of 10 gets us in trouble.
I suspect that most people on here hadnt heard of most of the players we signed this summer, I certainly hadn't, and gave Nourry and Co the benefit of doubt. There may have also been an assumption that he might know what he was doing. That doesn't actually seem to be the case.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 13:25 - Nov 10 with 2096 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 13:10 - Nov 10 by richpr
Didn't see many complaining when we were signing all these players. I think most were actually complimentary about us having a clear out and a policy of signing younger, exciting players with potential. I think we need to give it more time before we start sacking everyone in sight. I believe MC is still learning about the EFL and needs to develop a plan B in line with the capabilities of the current makeshift team instead of sticking to his philosophy of playing out from the back which 9 times out of 10 gets us in trouble.
How do you know that playing out from the back is his philosophy and not "the model"?
I am not sure what we need to wait longer for? How many more years of abject failure and a lack of standards do you need to see?
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 13:37 - Nov 10 with 2011 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 13:25 - Nov 10 by Markofthegrove
How do you know that playing out from the back is his philosophy and not "the model"?
I am not sure what we need to wait longer for? How many more years of abject failure and a lack of standards do you need to see?
You go on and have your revolution. I won't be joining. If you want immediate success, suggest you pop down the road to Brentford or Fulham. Just have some patience. Even if we do get relegated, it might do us some good. I think we are much more likely to dissappear into the conference if the board and the owners decide that they don't need the aggro of fans protests etc. and pull out.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 13:51 - Nov 10 with 1937 views
Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 13:47 - Nov 10 by richpr
You go on and have your revolution. I won't be joining. If you want immediate success, suggest you pop down the road to Brentford or Fulham. Just have some patience. Even if we do get relegated, it might do us some good. I think we are much more likely to dissappear into the conference if the board and the owners decide that they don't need the aggro of fans protests etc. and pull out.
You don't know me, so plopping out comments telling me to pop off to Fulham or Brentford just makes you sound like a fool and very condescending.
I'm not asking for a fvcking revolution, I'm asking for answers and a more open line of communication from the club as to why, yet again, after a summer of hope, a 26 year old child has been given the keys to do what the fvck he likes with our great club. Another chance to reset down the drain.
Supporters like you are a small symptom of why we are where we are aswell. Happy to accept lowering standards every season, but it's ok because the owners keep putting money in. Will you be happy in league 2 under these owners?
I think you need to understand where people's frustrations lie before you start telling people to trot off to Fulham. I've supported the club for every year of my life and held a ST for 35 of those years and I've only missed a handful of games in the last 3 years.
Think I've earned the right to be frustrated with the status quo (I know it's not a loyalty point competition but you triggered me).
Go and read Padulas Shampoos post on the Marti out thread. Perhaps he encapsulates how I feel more than I can perhaps convey on here.
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Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 14:32 - Nov 10 with 1796 views
I’m usually a supporter of fan action, but if this is just an effort to get ‘Fck Off Nourry’ written on a load of bedsheets then no thanks.
If you want to campaign for real Democratic fan governance or maybe even some ownership, then count me in. Frankly I don’t think a lot of our fan base is mature enough for that, because lots of us still think the answer lies in some mystical benevolent billionaire that also knows how to run a football club turning up.
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