| European Elections 07:41 - Nov 23 with 6968 views | Dr_Winston |
The rise of Geert Wilders, Marine Le Pen and the AFD in Germany (not forgetting the Italians) should be of no surprise to anyone who has actually been paying attention over the last couple of decades.
Perhaps the single biggest reason I voted for Brexit (other than the democratic shortage at the heart of the EU Governing process) was my belief that the whole thing would come crashing down within a couple of decades and that we'd be better off out before that happened.
Seen little since to change my mind. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| European Elections on 07:43 - Nov 23 with 3720 views | Togg |
Vox in Spain have gathered huge support also. |  | | |
| European Elections on 07:49 - Nov 23 with 3715 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
I was surprised at the Dutch result, but it appears they have a chronic housing shortage of about 500,000 units and have taken in about 250,000 migrants in the last year. These issues have dominated the election these by all accounts |  |
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| European Elections on 07:59 - Nov 23 with 3709 views | Dr_Winston |
When "centrist" politicians refuse to listen, people are driven to the extremes. | |
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| European Elections on 08:00 - Nov 23 with 3708 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
When people's lives are directly impacted by issues and politicians just allow things to drift people don't feel they are being represented or that politicians are acting in their interest. [Post edited 23 Nov 2023 8:36]
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| European Elections on 08:38 - Nov 23 with 3682 views | majorraglan |
| European Elections on 07:59 - Nov 23 by Dr_Winston |
When "centrist" politicians refuse to listen, people are driven to the extremes. |
I’d agree with this. Immigration is an emotive issue, I know illegal immigration has been in the news a lot over, but legal immigration which is over 20 times higher and approached 1.2m last year alone doesn’t feature a great deal in the press. Maybe if Labour were in power the Daily Mail’s etc would carry more stories on legal migration. | | | |
| European Elections on 09:28 - Nov 23 with 3644 views | Wingstandwood |
That'll upset The Guardian…. its staff....Owen Jones….Gary Lineker....the child killer Innocence fraud supporting (those lies in documentaries) vermin at the BBC….virtue signalling middle class NIMBY 'trendy-Wendy's who detest ‘white-van-man’ from their leafy metropolitan suburbs….certain academics and certain civil servants with common sense of forlorn aspiration only…..ANTIFA, BLM, lefty student agitators…. Marxist organizations and other WOKE idiots.
I guess the time-worn tactic was yet again used to address those with sensible concerns and worries by maliciously smearing and insulting them with words like “gammon”….”knuckle dragger”….”racist”….fascist”. What a vote winner hey? Always works 'NOT' lol.
Ain't it crazy that many create the very opposite of what they wish for. Welcome to their Kamikaze world resulting in the empowerment and support for hard-line political parties and the self-destruction of the EU folks!!!!
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| European Elections on 09:33 - Nov 23 with 3632 views | controversial_jack |
Poland, however has rejected the right wing, so it's not all bad news | | | |
| European Elections on 09:58 - Nov 23 with 3613 views | Dr_Winston |
| European Elections on 08:38 - Nov 23 by majorraglan |
I’d agree with this. Immigration is an emotive issue, I know illegal immigration has been in the news a lot over, but legal immigration which is over 20 times higher and approached 1.2m last year alone doesn’t feature a great deal in the press. Maybe if Labour were in power the Daily Mail’s etc would carry more stories on legal migration. |
Legal migration is actually a bit of a money-spinner for the Govt. I've known a couple of guys who moved to the UK from India, and by the time they'd finished the process of securing legal status for them and their families neither had much change left over from thirty grand spent on fees.
They'd have both been better off getting a dinghy over. | |
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| European Elections on 10:04 - Nov 23 with 3601 views | controversial_jack |
| European Elections on 09:58 - Nov 23 by Dr_Winston |
Legal migration is actually a bit of a money-spinner for the Govt. I've known a couple of guys who moved to the UK from India, and by the time they'd finished the process of securing legal status for them and their families neither had much change left over from thirty grand spent on fees.
They'd have both been better off getting a dinghy over. |
Legal migrants pay taxes | | | |
| European Elections on 10:21 - Nov 23 with 3600 views | Wingstandwood |
| European Elections on 09:58 - Nov 23 by Dr_Winston |
Legal migration is actually a bit of a money-spinner for the Govt. I've known a couple of guys who moved to the UK from India, and by the time they'd finished the process of securing legal status for them and their families neither had much change left over from thirty grand spent on fees.
They'd have both been better off getting a dinghy over. |
Recent immigration numbers that were stated/predicted to be 700,000? ARE EVEN HIGHER than that!
It's scary to think how can a country with an NHS and public services already in an catastrophic state possibly cope? And with popuation increases like this year in year out?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12783349/Net-migration-high-huge-pressu | |
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| European Elections on 10:29 - Nov 23 with 3586 views | controversial_jack |
If immigrants are taxpayers they will contribute to the NHS. Immigrants, also tend to be younger and healthier than the natives. | | | |
| European Elections on 10:41 - Nov 23 with 3589 views | union_jack |
| European Elections on 07:49 - Nov 23 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I was surprised at the Dutch result, but it appears they have a chronic housing shortage of about 500,000 units and have taken in about 250,000 migrants in the last year. These issues have dominated the election these by all accounts |
When I saw the clips this morning I thought Jimmy Page was the new Dutch PM😂 |  |
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| European Elections on 10:49 - Nov 23 with 3584 views | onehunglow |
| European Elections on 10:41 - Nov 23 by union_jack |
When I saw the clips this morning I thought Jimmy Page was the new Dutch PM😂 |
He was overrated .
I voted to remain but I am not as any those adjectives describe .
Leavers v remainers.
We alway pigeon hole people . | |
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| European Elections on 10:56 - Nov 23 with 3584 views | Wingstandwood |
| European Elections on 10:29 - Nov 23 by controversial_jack |
If immigrants are taxpayers they will contribute to the NHS. Immigrants, also tend to be younger and healthier than the natives. |
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| European Elections on 11:06 - Nov 23 with 3568 views | Boundy |
Sometimes words fail me, this is one of them. | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| European Elections on 11:37 - Nov 23 with 3531 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| European Elections on 10:29 - Nov 23 by controversial_jack |
If immigrants are taxpayers they will contribute to the NHS. Immigrants, also tend to be younger and healthier than the natives. |
They might be young now but I reckon there’s a chance they’ll get older at some point. |  |
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| European Elections on 12:20 - Nov 23 with 3494 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| European Elections on 11:37 - Nov 23 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
They might be young now but I reckon there’s a chance they’ll get older at some point. |
Give them a few years in Gregg's, McDonalds and KFC and they will catch up with our eye watering levels of metabolic disease. | |
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| European Elections on 12:31 - Nov 23 with 3477 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| European Elections on 09:58 - Nov 23 by Dr_Winston |
Legal migration is actually a bit of a money-spinner for the Govt. I've known a couple of guys who moved to the UK from India, and by the time they'd finished the process of securing legal status for them and their families neither had much change left over from thirty grand spent on fees.
They'd have both been better off getting a dinghy over. |
It's a long dingy ride from Mumbai.
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| European Elections on 13:17 - Nov 23 with 3454 views | AnotherJohn |
| European Elections on 10:29 - Nov 23 by controversial_jack |
If immigrants are taxpayers they will contribute to the NHS. Immigrants, also tend to be younger and healthier than the natives. |
The question is how many earn enough to make a net fiscal contribution. If you Google you will find early studies (such as the one from UCL in 2014) that say migrants are net contributors, but the makeup and scale of migration seems to have changed so it is far less clear in 2023. The ONS stats for 2022 show that almost 54% of the UK population are net recipients (i.e. they get more in services and benefits than they pay in tax), so one could ask how immigrants factor into that. Then there are the "externalities" that are never included in such calculations - the extra cost of security, migrant processing, publicly-provided accommodation, support for unaccompanied children, and other changes in public provision that we make, but which will not be captured by the value of individual benefits received.
Yes, migrants they are on average a younger population, but not always a strikingly heathy one. Research from Sweden shows high mental health service needs, some have chronic health conditions, and many will not have received the kind of public health and vaccination support they would have got if they grew up in the UK. Smoking rates for some groups are high and we have seen small outbreaks of infectious disease not normally encountered in the UK. So again there is a mixed picture.
As others have said, coping with a (net) extra million plus people in two years is a major burden on infrastructure and services, and that actually involves over a million a year (gross) of new entrants who need to cope with a new country. | | | |
| European Elections on 18:32 - Nov 23 with 3381 views | Treforys_Jack |
Thoroughly depressing thread, not the comments, but the realism of the situation. |  | | |
| European Elections on 19:22 - Nov 23 with 3337 views | controversial_jack |
| European Elections on 11:37 - Nov 23 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
They might be young now but I reckon there’s a chance they’ll get older at some point. |
There’s a high chance that they will have children themselves. Children, generally become productive taxpayers. Some may even become doctors and nurses [Post edited 23 Nov 2023 19:25]
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| European Elections on 20:39 - Nov 23 with 3304 views | Togg |
| European Elections on 10:41 - Nov 23 by union_jack |
When I saw the clips this morning I thought Jimmy Page was the new Dutch PM😂 |
Great guitar playing on the Immigrant Song mind. Very apt!  | | | |
| European Elections on 20:49 - Nov 23 with 3297 views | Kilkennyjack |
Quite wrong to be honest ….
Trump ❌
Johnson ❌
LePen ❌
The world is moving away from these right wing populists.
Thankfully. |  |
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