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Share Issue on 19:14 - Nov 13 by nordenblue | Ask the club if you're interested James, id guess theres perfectly good reasoning behind it there usually is, they're no idiots who sort all this out....I'm not the one complaining how they're planning to run it, I think it's perfectly fine as it is having worked remarkably well last time around.👠|
But it’s about being inclusive for as many fans as possible. And last time there was possibly more reason for fans to buy with the situation as it was. | |
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Share Issue on 20:01 - Nov 13 with 4846 views | nordenblue |
Share Issue on 19:32 - Nov 13 by 442Dale | But it’s about being inclusive for as many fans as possible. And last time there was possibly more reason for fans to buy with the situation as it was. |
It clearly wasn't as "inclusive" last time....🙄 I'd imagine the guys who've had to shell out tens of thousands each probably want as easy as possible repaying rather than the priority purely being to be seen to be more "inclusive", either way as long as they all sell thats my main concern 👠| | | |
Share Issue on 20:19 - Nov 13 with 4816 views | D_Alien |
Share Issue on 20:01 - Nov 13 by nordenblue | It clearly wasn't as "inclusive" last time....🙄 I'd imagine the guys who've had to shell out tens of thousands each probably want as easy as possible repaying rather than the priority purely being to be seen to be more "inclusive", either way as long as they all sell thats my main concern 👠|
Circumstances change, and don't we know it Or most of us do. There may be rational arguments for keeping the minimum application to 100 shares, but as a Fan Owned club, those who are current shareholders have a right to hear it, and if there's a case to be made it would be better to make it well in advance. Good cases should be able to stand the test of scrutiny, and scrutiny needs time. Good cases are also best made in plain English, and that excludes emojis | |
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Share Issue on 20:51 - Nov 13 with 4758 views | nordenblue |
Share Issue on 20:19 - Nov 13 by D_Alien | Circumstances change, and don't we know it Or most of us do. There may be rational arguments for keeping the minimum application to 100 shares, but as a Fan Owned club, those who are current shareholders have a right to hear it, and if there's a case to be made it would be better to make it well in advance. Good cases should be able to stand the test of scrutiny, and scrutiny needs time. Good cases are also best made in plain English, and that excludes emojis |
See you're still up to your usual condescending self, that ego need another little rub? I'll put emojis or anything I fancy, without any need for your consent, the fact you're not too keen makes it all the more worthwhile 🖕 | | | |
Share Issue on 20:53 - Nov 13 with 4762 views | 49thseason | I don't really see any need for a minimum number as long as there is a dealing charge, say £10. If you buy less than 100. Its only a couple of minutes to add a names and details to the register and print and sign a certificate if all the details are collected at the point of purchase. A couple of students on their Christmas break would probably polish it off in a couple of weeks. I also occurs to me that it might be possible to offer a single share in a special, limited edition and framed certificate signed by Ian Henderson. 130 of them at £50 = a quick £6500 and would make a decent Christmas present! A4frames are £3 on Amazon. , a well designed certificate and there's £46 profit on each one you sell! | | | |
Share Issue on 20:55 - Nov 13 with 4755 views | James1980 |
Share Issue on 20:53 - Nov 13 by 49thseason | I don't really see any need for a minimum number as long as there is a dealing charge, say £10. If you buy less than 100. Its only a couple of minutes to add a names and details to the register and print and sign a certificate if all the details are collected at the point of purchase. A couple of students on their Christmas break would probably polish it off in a couple of weeks. I also occurs to me that it might be possible to offer a single share in a special, limited edition and framed certificate signed by Ian Henderson. 130 of them at £50 = a quick £6500 and would make a decent Christmas present! A4frames are £3 on Amazon. , a well designed certificate and there's £46 profit on each one you sell! |
That is actually a fantastic idea. | |
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Share Issue on 21:21 - Nov 13 with 4709 views | D_Alien |
Share Issue on 20:51 - Nov 13 by nordenblue | See you're still up to your usual condescending self, that ego need another little rub? I'll put emojis or anything I fancy, without any need for your consent, the fact you're not too keen makes it all the more worthwhile 🖕 |
Carry on I'm simply pointing out that the use of emojis does nothing to aid rational argument. If you've got an argument against the Club's board putting forward it's own version of why the share issue should be maintained at a minimum of 100 shares, let's hear it, otherwise stop your usual and oft repeated blather, which is as useful as your emojis... | |
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Share Issue on 21:22 - Nov 13 with 4706 views | 442Dale |
Share Issue on 20:01 - Nov 13 by nordenblue | It clearly wasn't as "inclusive" last time....🙄 I'd imagine the guys who've had to shell out tens of thousands each probably want as easy as possible repaying rather than the priority purely being to be seen to be more "inclusive", either way as long as they all sell thats my main concern 👠|
Isn’t it a new share issue, nothing to do with previously sold shares? | |
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Share Issue on 21:27 - Nov 13 with 4694 views | judd |
Share Issue on 21:22 - Nov 13 by 442Dale | Isn’t it a new share issue, nothing to do with previously sold shares? |
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Share Issue on 21:36 - Nov 13 with 4669 views | 442Dale |
Share Issue on 21:27 - Nov 13 by judd | Yes. |
Which would indicate ensuring sales are maximised and are, er, inclusive as possible can only be a good thing. No matter how many pens they use. [Post edited 13 Nov 2022 21:37]
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Share Issue on 21:39 - Nov 13 with 4657 views | nordenblue |
Share Issue on 21:22 - Nov 13 by 442Dale | Isn’t it a new share issue, nothing to do with previously sold shares? |
Not sure, didn't read the full article to be honest, read the board had put plenty of their own money into buying some shares back and assumed they were maybe looking to off load them back to the fans. | | | |
Share Issue on 22:01 - Nov 13 with 4611 views | nordenblue |
Share Issue on 21:21 - Nov 13 by D_Alien | Carry on I'm simply pointing out that the use of emojis does nothing to aid rational argument. If you've got an argument against the Club's board putting forward it's own version of why the share issue should be maintained at a minimum of 100 shares, let's hear it, otherwise stop your usual and oft repeated blather, which is as useful as your emojis... |
I will, well that's if its OK and you don't class it as "abuse"? You dont need to "point out" anything, its just your opinion that's all it is, it's as valued as anyone elses, might come as a surprise for someone with such tendencies as your good self mind.... Dont need to put any argument forward, they can set it at what they like, you either buy or you don't, pretty simple. | | | |
Share Issue on 23:29 - Nov 13 with 4531 views | D_Alien |
Share Issue on 22:01 - Nov 13 by nordenblue | I will, well that's if its OK and you don't class it as "abuse"? You dont need to "point out" anything, its just your opinion that's all it is, it's as valued as anyone elses, might come as a surprise for someone with such tendencies as your good self mind.... Dont need to put any argument forward, they can set it at what they like, you either buy or you don't, pretty simple. |
Christ, you're a boring tw@t And that's not abuse, it's a FACT | |
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Share Issue on 07:10 - Nov 14 with 4372 views | nordenblue |
Share Issue on 23:29 - Nov 13 by D_Alien | Christ, you're a boring tw@t And that's not abuse, it's a FACT |
"have an inflated self-perception of superiority." "act superior, entitled and boastful, underneath their larger-than-life facade lies their greatest fear: That they are ordinary." Sorry, me just being a boring tvvat again.... or maybe FACTual | | | |
Share Issue on 07:22 - Nov 14 with 4367 views | D_Alien |
Share Issue on 07:10 - Nov 14 by nordenblue | "have an inflated self-perception of superiority." "act superior, entitled and boastful, underneath their larger-than-life facade lies their greatest fear: That they are ordinary." Sorry, me just being a boring tvvat again.... or maybe FACTual |
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Share Issue on 09:22 - Nov 14 with 4295 views | Dalenet | Back to the subject An interesting week where I assume the shareholders will agree to the issuing of more shares. The Board wants to raise capital to provide a buffer to manage shortfalls in income. With no cup run this year and no star player to sell there isn't much in the tank. You have to feel sorry for the Board as they have had to buy the MH shares back with their own cash and rather than try to sell those shares to fans as they had hoped, they are having to issue new shares first. There have been lots of comments about how to "promote" the share sale to fans, including incentives. I think we need to remember that the sale of shares is frought with risk to the club and to investors. RAFC is a private business with unlisted shares. It can't issue a propectus and can't be seen to be encouraging or incentivising anybody into buying shares - which themselves are high risk. None of us expect to get our capital back or a dividend payment. Nobody should be "encouraged" to part with cash that they cannot afford to lose. The only thing the club can do is respond to requests from people wanting to buy shares. I wonder if that is one of the reason why the club has decided on the minimum value to be what it is? The bigger issue for me is the fact that the club will potential need to sell around £1.3m of shares over the next year or so when you add the proposed new share sale and the resell of the directors MH shares. That is a lot for a club of our size. | | | |
Share Issue on 16:38 - Nov 14 with 4072 views | A_Newby | Every season the club takes in less money in revenue (about £1-1.5 million per year) than it costs to run. Over several seasons this shortfall has been “made up” by selling our better players and income from the occasional good cup run. If we do not want to rely totally on this (or on having to repeatedly issue new shares) and want to retain our better players for longer, then we need to either reduce costs, increase revenue or both. The board have already minimised non-football costs and are trying to use the club’s assets to raise alternative revenue streams to support (subsidise) the football team. However, we do need try to increase match day revenue, this is the only thing that fans can contribute to directly. There are three ways to do this 1. Increase the amount of revenue generated per each supporter. 2. Increase the number of supporters and therefore income. 3. A combination of 1 and 2. A simple way each supporter could help increase the match day revenue is to just spend a little more on the day. Buy an extra half time 50:50 draw ticket, spend money on refreshments or in the bar. Visit the club shop and buy some Dale merchandise for Christmas etc. This would help but is unlikely to be enough. If with just the same number of home fans at matches as we currently get, we try to fill the deficit by just increasing the entrance prices, we would need to more than double these. This would be counterproductive as we would obviously lose supporters who could not afford this. In my opinion probably the best and only way to significantly increase match day revenue is to increase the number of home supporters in attendance (this was mentioned at the trust AGM). As many have said on this forum this is far from easy and much effort has been put into this. We do get some “new” supporters, but these just about replace the “old” supporters who have “left” the club for various reasons, so we do not get any net increase in attendees. Questions - How many regular home supporters can we potentially get? What is a good realistic target to aim for? Answer - I haven’t a clue, but here is my suggestion to find an answer to these questions and hopefully increase match day attendances. For next season. Season card and match ticket prices to remain the same or have a small increase. Make the first home match of next season FREE to attend to any “home” supporters accompanied by a season card holder. For example, ALL season card holders to be able to bring say up to 3 guests to this match. Exiles season card holders would also get this match free; it does not count as one of their ten “credits” but they too for this match can bring up to 3 guests with them. Under these circumstances with all season card holders trying to promote the Dale and inviting their family, friends, and colleagues, this would give a good indication of the “maximum” number of home supporters we could possibly get. If we manage a significant increase in the home support, then we have a target to aim for and can try other strategies. If we get no significant increase in the attendance of home fans, then I would have to agree with the people who post on here who say we will never (or are extremely unlikely to) get above 2,500 - 3,000 regular home fans whilst we are in leagues 2 or 1. | | | |
Share Issue on 17:24 - Nov 14 with 4017 views | D_Alien |
Share Issue on 16:38 - Nov 14 by A_Newby | Every season the club takes in less money in revenue (about £1-1.5 million per year) than it costs to run. Over several seasons this shortfall has been “made up” by selling our better players and income from the occasional good cup run. If we do not want to rely totally on this (or on having to repeatedly issue new shares) and want to retain our better players for longer, then we need to either reduce costs, increase revenue or both. The board have already minimised non-football costs and are trying to use the club’s assets to raise alternative revenue streams to support (subsidise) the football team. However, we do need try to increase match day revenue, this is the only thing that fans can contribute to directly. There are three ways to do this 1. Increase the amount of revenue generated per each supporter. 2. Increase the number of supporters and therefore income. 3. A combination of 1 and 2. A simple way each supporter could help increase the match day revenue is to just spend a little more on the day. Buy an extra half time 50:50 draw ticket, spend money on refreshments or in the bar. Visit the club shop and buy some Dale merchandise for Christmas etc. This would help but is unlikely to be enough. If with just the same number of home fans at matches as we currently get, we try to fill the deficit by just increasing the entrance prices, we would need to more than double these. This would be counterproductive as we would obviously lose supporters who could not afford this. In my opinion probably the best and only way to significantly increase match day revenue is to increase the number of home supporters in attendance (this was mentioned at the trust AGM). As many have said on this forum this is far from easy and much effort has been put into this. We do get some “new” supporters, but these just about replace the “old” supporters who have “left” the club for various reasons, so we do not get any net increase in attendees. Questions - How many regular home supporters can we potentially get? What is a good realistic target to aim for? Answer - I haven’t a clue, but here is my suggestion to find an answer to these questions and hopefully increase match day attendances. For next season. Season card and match ticket prices to remain the same or have a small increase. Make the first home match of next season FREE to attend to any “home” supporters accompanied by a season card holder. For example, ALL season card holders to be able to bring say up to 3 guests to this match. Exiles season card holders would also get this match free; it does not count as one of their ten “credits” but they too for this match can bring up to 3 guests with them. Under these circumstances with all season card holders trying to promote the Dale and inviting their family, friends, and colleagues, this would give a good indication of the “maximum” number of home supporters we could possibly get. If we manage a significant increase in the home support, then we have a target to aim for and can try other strategies. If we get no significant increase in the attendance of home fans, then I would have to agree with the people who post on here who say we will never (or are extremely unlikely to) get above 2,500 - 3,000 regular home fans whilst we are in leagues 2 or 1. |
It is a Catch-22 situation, but of course the obvious way to increase home attendances is by having a team that generates interest; the Catch-22 being that'd likely cost more in terms of wages in addition to any fees paid Whilst that does sound like a statement of the bleeding obvious, the success of your perfectly good suggestion of having SC holders bring a couple of others along for free would depend on Dale's performance on the day. If, for instance, last Saturday had been that first game of the season, it simply wouldn't have worked. In that sense, it's a bit of a lottery In terms of an achievable increase in numbers, i'd agree that 3000 would seem to be the current ceiling with more for one-off fixtures such as a derby game. Making small, incremental increases would be the way forward rather than setting an unrealistic target. Regularly getting 2500 through the turnstiles for a standard Saturday fixture would be the starting point My main concern is also increasing the loyalty of our current fanbase, which is why i was so adamant that as wide a shareholding fanbase as reasonably possible should be aimed for. There is no downside to that as far as i'm concerned, and technical reasons why that can't yet be aimed for should be explained. Dalenet's post pointed in that direction, but imo we need to hear it from the club | |
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Share Issue on 21:19 - Nov 14 with 3855 views | 49thseason |
Share Issue on 16:38 - Nov 14 by A_Newby | Every season the club takes in less money in revenue (about £1-1.5 million per year) than it costs to run. Over several seasons this shortfall has been “made up” by selling our better players and income from the occasional good cup run. If we do not want to rely totally on this (or on having to repeatedly issue new shares) and want to retain our better players for longer, then we need to either reduce costs, increase revenue or both. The board have already minimised non-football costs and are trying to use the club’s assets to raise alternative revenue streams to support (subsidise) the football team. However, we do need try to increase match day revenue, this is the only thing that fans can contribute to directly. There are three ways to do this 1. Increase the amount of revenue generated per each supporter. 2. Increase the number of supporters and therefore income. 3. A combination of 1 and 2. A simple way each supporter could help increase the match day revenue is to just spend a little more on the day. Buy an extra half time 50:50 draw ticket, spend money on refreshments or in the bar. Visit the club shop and buy some Dale merchandise for Christmas etc. This would help but is unlikely to be enough. If with just the same number of home fans at matches as we currently get, we try to fill the deficit by just increasing the entrance prices, we would need to more than double these. This would be counterproductive as we would obviously lose supporters who could not afford this. In my opinion probably the best and only way to significantly increase match day revenue is to increase the number of home supporters in attendance (this was mentioned at the trust AGM). As many have said on this forum this is far from easy and much effort has been put into this. We do get some “new” supporters, but these just about replace the “old” supporters who have “left” the club for various reasons, so we do not get any net increase in attendees. Questions - How many regular home supporters can we potentially get? What is a good realistic target to aim for? Answer - I haven’t a clue, but here is my suggestion to find an answer to these questions and hopefully increase match day attendances. For next season. Season card and match ticket prices to remain the same or have a small increase. Make the first home match of next season FREE to attend to any “home” supporters accompanied by a season card holder. For example, ALL season card holders to be able to bring say up to 3 guests to this match. Exiles season card holders would also get this match free; it does not count as one of their ten “credits” but they too for this match can bring up to 3 guests with them. Under these circumstances with all season card holders trying to promote the Dale and inviting their family, friends, and colleagues, this would give a good indication of the “maximum” number of home supporters we could possibly get. If we manage a significant increase in the home support, then we have a target to aim for and can try other strategies. If we get no significant increase in the attendance of home fans, then I would have to agree with the people who post on here who say we will never (or are extremely unlikely to) get above 2,500 - 3,000 regular home fans whilst we are in leagues 2 or 1. |
Increasing the Gate has to be the priority every season. An average L2 club is now getting gates of around 5000. https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/league-two/attendances;jsessionid=49A9519F230 Season tickets are great value but they are also a big outlay for a relatively new supporter, our current "on the day" rates do not encourage people to "give it a go" and they have more to do with what we can charge visiting fans than what we should charge for occasional supporters. Trial is everything in marketing, getting someone to" try "a visit to the COA is the first step on the loyalty ladder. Equally the pester power of kids is a great motivator of parents, hence, Accrington hand out 1200 shirts to local schools every season I don't know if they add a Dad / Mum (for D alien) and kids ticket or not, but they could. https://opportunities.amazingaccrington.co.uk/2022-sees-the-sixth-annual-year-th Once you have a trialist, you have to develop habit, so frequent correspondence , offers, involvement on game days, meet the players, discounts in the shop, Birthday cards, etc etc. All this , of course needs monitoring with a decent CRM system. Once you have regular (ish) attendance then you can change the offers to become a season ticket holder and then to become an evangelist who convinces others to attend. There has to be a long term plan and an unshakable determination to follow it for at least 5 years probably 10 but that means adding 4-500 a year in the early stages and ramping up each year Naturally winning makes everything much easier, 31 Home wins in 6 seasons is poor by anyone's standards, but there is more to do in terms of the matchday experience too. Desmond the Dragon.. Just why? A fat bloke in a suit isn't really very 21st century when even the youngest kids have smartphones is it? I once saw a US basketball game where all the kids were sending in selfies during the breaks that were then shown on the big screens.. Doable? I would think so. more exciting too. The burgeoning Overcoaters section in the Sandy Lane end is certainly livening things up, is there more of that sort of thing possible? And lets not forget, its not just about the football, with 6000 empty seats and spaces, is there an opportunity to take some less well favoured seats out and set up "pie and a brew" stalls around the ground? Or, again as in the US get some of those walkabout drink dispensers a bit like they used to do in the cinemas? https://thirstsolution.com/universal-thirst-pack/ Unfortunately all this requires expenditure, money we don't have at the moment, in a town where spare cash is scarce, Maybe this is a project the Trust could take on? But eventually the club is going to have to sharpen up on all its opportunities to raise funds from outside football, more sponsors, more sponsor opportunities, A massive revival of the Gold Bond should certainly be on the list, as should an onsite take away even if it is delivery-only https://www.magnet.co.uk/dark-kitchens/ So much to do so little time..... | | | |
Share Issue on 10:25 - Nov 18 with 3298 views | windowsbug2002 | They could stop pissing people off for a start. Every time I go to the ground with my wife I get searched, the wife doesn't and never has been. Kids don't get searched. So untill this is sorted ill never go again. Discriminated for being an adult male. [Post edited 18 Nov 2022 16:14]
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Share Issue on 13:02 - Nov 18 with 3201 views | HullDale |
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Share Issue on 13:05 - Nov 18 with 3196 views | James1980 | Was the reason for the 100 share minimum explained at the AGM/EGM | |
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Share Issue on 14:42 - Nov 18 with 3081 views | TomRAFC |
Share Issue on 13:05 - Nov 18 by James1980 | Was the reason for the 100 share minimum explained at the AGM/EGM |
Nobody asked the question. I don't recall the 100 share minimum being mentioned at any point. | |
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Share Issue on 19:56 - Nov 18 with 2872 views | nordenblue |
Share Issue on 13:05 - Nov 18 by James1980 | Was the reason for the 100 share minimum explained at the AGM/EGM |
Oh sweet lord.... don't get DA started again he'll be choking on his horlicks reading that. | | | |
Share Issue on 20:24 - Nov 18 with 2831 views | D_Alien |
Share Issue on 19:56 - Nov 18 by nordenblue | Oh sweet lord.... don't get DA started again he'll be choking on his horlicks reading that. |
Seems like you're the one trying to regurgitate something, but you're good at bringing things up that'd normally be happier resting in your bowels How does it go, about the narcissism, again? | |
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