| Reading Other Forums 03:13 - Jul 2 with 5622 views | skippyjack |
especially English ones.. wondering why English players can't perform for England.. like the English players playing for Wales..
It's simple..
James Chester - wasn't considered good enough for Man Utd.. shipped off to The Championship.. England ignored him..
Ashley Williams - wasn't considered good enough for West Brom.. climbed his way up from non-league
Andy King - wasn't considered good enough for Chelsea..was a League One player
David Edwards - played in non-league and worked his way up
Jonny Williams - shipped out on loan.. not considered good enough for the Premier League
Hal Robson-Kanu - wasn't considered good enough for Arsenal.. had to prove himself in the lower leagues.. not considered good enough for the top level
Sam Vokes - started off in League One.. not considered good enough for the top level
even the Welsh players..
Chris Gunter - not considered good enough for Spurs and the top level
Neil Taylor - not considered good enough for Man City.. worked his way up from the conference
Jazz Richards - not considered good enough for the top level
David Cotterill - not considered good enough for the top level
David Vaughan - had to prove himself in the lower leagues
Chris Coleman - considered a failure, not good enough
all the coaching team - considered not good enough
then you move onto England..
Joe Hart - considered world class.. has 'not failed'
Fraserburgh Forster - has 'not failed'
Kyle Walker - has 'not failed'
Danny Rose - has 'not failed'
Gary Cahill - has 'not failed'
Chris Smalling - has 'not failed'
John Stones - has 'not failed'
Nathaniel Clyne - has 'not failed'
Ryan Bertrand - has 'not failed'
James Milner - has 'not failed'
Raheem Sterling - has 'not failed'
Adam Lallana - has 'not failed'
Jordan Henderson - has 'not failed'
Eric Dier - has 'not failed'
Jack Wilshere - has 'not failed'
Ross Barkley - has 'not failed'
Dele Alli - has 'not failed'
Harry Kane - he has failed at Arsenal.. but Spurs have masked his feelings
Marcus Rashford - has 'not failed'
Daniel Sturridge - has 'not failed'
Jamie Vardy - the only 'true' failure.. He knows what it really feels like to be on the scrapheap of football.. he's the only person in the team who knows what 'real life' and 'real pressure' is.. They should've taken advice off him.. He would've said 'I will go onto that pitch and given my life'.. because he understands..
England have had players of the failing ilk..
Stuart Pearce - he failed
Chris Waddle - he failed
Peter Beardsley - he failed
John Barnes - knows what it feels like
David Platt - he failed
David Seaman - he failed
Dave Beasant - he knows what it feels like
Ian Wright - he failed
Teddy Sheringham - he understands
Les Ferdinand - he understands
Stan Collymore
Kevin Phillips
Kerry Dixon
Alan Pardew
Danny Drinkwater - home
Charlie Austin - home
Danny Simpson - home
Ryan Shawcross - home
Dan Gosling - home
Marc Pugh - home
Charlie Daniels - home
Tyrone Mings - home
Junior Stanislas - home
Glenn Murray - home
Scott Dann - home
Frazier Campbell - home
Troy Deeney - home
Ben Foster - home
Callum McManaman - home
Craig Dawson - home
Michail Antonio - home
Aaron Cresswell - home
The England national team have not felt 'true' failure.. as Chris Coleman said.. they're not afraid to fail.. because they know it, breath it, feel it.. They know the consequences, experience and learning through failure.. The best bet is.. send the lot of them to the conference and earn £200 a week.. they'll understand 'real life' then.. The English lot are in a bubble.
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| Reading Other Forums on 03:42 - Jul 2 with 4169 views | skippyjack |
Look at the Italian squad an all..
Federico Marchetti
Giorgio Chiellini
Matteo Darmian
Andrea Barzagli
Leonardo Bonucci
Antonio Candreva
Stefano Sturaro
Marco Parolo
Stephan El Shaarawy
Emanuele Giaccherini
Graziano Pellè
Simone Zaza
Ciro Immobile
Éder
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| Reading Other Forums on 06:19 - Jul 2 with 4090 views | waynekerr55 |
That's a very diplomatic way of saying that they're simply a pampered bunch of prima donnas. A bunch of c*nts who think that 5 good games equates to a new bumper contract.
They seem to be suffering from what I call 'Adebayor syndrome' |  |
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| Reading Other Forums on 08:54 - Jul 2 with 3860 views | ItchySphincter |
He's right on this one, tournament football is as much about attitude as ability and Wales have a good one at the moment. |  |
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| Reading Other Forums on 08:57 - Jul 2 with 3856 views | SwansNZ |
Good point Skip. At international level, the England players know all about failure of course. |  |
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| Reading Other Forums on 09:04 - Jul 2 with 3836 views | SwaneeRiver |
It's not just England.
Lots of other teams have much better players than us both are either out or didn't even make it.
We are playing as a team, managed by a guy who has got it all together at the right time and got everyone in the squad believing.
Teams like England and Belgium have talent in abundance and should hammer us, but don't have the same team spirit |  | | |
| Reading Other Forums on 09:05 - Jul 2 with 3831 views | Pegojack |
Skippy - List Poster of The Year. |  | | |
| Reading Other Forums on 09:36 - Jul 2 with 3767 views | monmouth |
They obviously love Cookie, and he's certainly made the best of what we have. I think the fact that Bale turns up and obviously cares deeply matters too. Puts Giggs' w*nky attitude into focus. When it matters to someone like Bale then the rest will be energised. They believe in what they are doing and each other. England don't. [Post edited 2 Jul 2016 10:31]
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| Reading Other Forums on 10:27 - Jul 2 with 3677 views | Lord_Bony |
Its all about heart not money. |  |
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| Reading Other Forums on 10:33 - Jul 2 with 3646 views | Joe_bradshaw |
Look at that Belgian line up last night. Badly managed and not a team. Far less than the sum of it's parts.
It's not about a list of players, it's about a team. |  |
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| Reading Other Forums on 10:37 - Jul 2 with 3631 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reading Other Forums on 10:33 - Jul 2 by Joe_bradshaw |
Look at that Belgian line up last night. Badly managed and not a team. Far less than the sum of it's parts.
It's not about a list of players, it's about a team. |
A lesson Woy Hodgson could do with learning.
Building a team around a busted Wayne Rooney or picking Wilshere after less than two full games over the season. More obsessed with names rather than the team. |  |
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| Reading Other Forums on 10:43 - Jul 2 with 3599 views | monmouth |
Daft as it may sound, I think we also gain massively through not having much choice. | |
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| Reading Other Forums on 10:59 - Jul 2 with 3559 views | jojaca |
| Reading Other Forums on 10:37 - Jul 2 by Dr_Winston |
A lesson Woy Hodgson could do with learning.
Building a team around a busted Wayne Rooney or picking Wilshere after less than two full games over the season. More obsessed with names rather than the team. |
Its shocking that some of the Leicester players were not there. Drinkwater and Wes Morgan should have been starters. |  |
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| Reading Other Forums on 11:00 - Jul 2 with 3552 views | Dr_Winston |
| Reading Other Forums on 10:59 - Jul 2 by jojaca |
Its shocking that some of the Leicester players were not there. Drinkwater and Wes Morgan should have been starters. |
I think Wes Morgan being a Jamaican international might have affected Woy's thinking there.
Drinkwater should have been in there though. | |
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| Reading Other Forums on 11:01 - Jul 2 with 3550 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Reading Other Forums on 10:43 - Jul 2 by monmouth |
Daft as it may sound, I think we also gain massively through not having much choice. |
This. A team that virtually picks itself. I hope that whoever replaces Ramsey and Ben have absolute stormers against Portugal.
They won't fancy us so much after last night. Coaches are probably sh*ting themselves after preparing the groundwork for Belgium in the semis....... [Post edited 2 Jul 2016 11:04]
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| Reading Other Forums on 14:30 - Jul 2 with 3369 views | waynekerr55 |
| Reading Other Forums on 10:37 - Jul 2 by Dr_Winston |
A lesson Woy Hodgson could do with learning.
Building a team around a busted Wayne Rooney or picking Wilshere after less than two full games over the season. More obsessed with names rather than the team. |
You're not going to change a dinosaur Doc.
Fact of the matter is the twät couldn't be trusted to run a bath. Four years ago I still can't get over the fact that he didn't take Britts or Dyer.
Then again, the clueless cūnt wouldn't know how to utilise them. [Post edited 2 Jul 2016 17:02]
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| Reading Other Forums on 15:09 - Jul 2 with 3289 views | Highjack |
| Reading Other Forums on 10:33 - Jul 2 by Joe_bradshaw |
Look at that Belgian line up last night. Badly managed and not a team. Far less than the sum of it's parts.
It's not about a list of players, it's about a team. |
I'd disagree there, they've only lost a small handful of games in the last few years (Most of them to us) and they've only not been able to score against 3 teams (us twice).
They are clearly a very very good team, we are just better. |  |
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| Reading Other Forums on 16:28 - Jul 2 with 3166 views | jasper_T |
I don't think there's as much difference in the quality of our players compared to some of the more famous nations as people think.
Managers like Mourinho often say that on a technical level there's very little between players throughout top leagues (the Championship is one of the richest leagues in the world, so it counts). Many of our players lack the media hype to be superstars, but that doesn't mean that they are there to be outclassed.
Football is a team game, and the small margins in player skill that separate clubs over seasons aren't as significant at national, knockout level, where the level of coaching and preparation is generally worse (due to lack of time, cheaper appointments etc.)
ITV & the BBC's fawning over individuals (Ronaldo especially) has come off as increasingly pathetic, and despite their insistence no team is being dragged through by the efforts of one player. Bale hasn't even been that good (yet)!
Iceland, Hungary, us etc. have proven in this tournament that just because a player isn't in the Champion's League doesn't mean they can't compete and win games at this level. | | | |
| Reading Other Forums on 16:51 - Jul 2 with 3133 views | jack247 |
The reasons England failed were the inability of their coaching staff to find a way of playing that got the best out of every player and because they had no way of coping with teams that came to keep them out and hit on the break. They did well against stellar teams in their warm up games with a quick counter-attacking style. That's all well and good when teams are committing men forward.
It wasn't because their players are comparatively successful in domestic leagues and don't know the pain of failing. | | | |
| Reading Other Forums on 16:53 - Jul 2 with 3125 views | Wingstandwood |
England don't perform because they are a mish-mash of individuals instead of a team.
A disconnected collective stuffed full of pampered individuals whom believe their own individual hype of which some will even go to lengths to feed that very hype themselves, or at the very least be very happy to go along with it all.
I've seen it with the likes of Keegan, Beckham and Rooney etc. Bale is miles better than any of them. Bale is an absolute credit because in his own mind its not all about him. He seems to recognise the importance of a collective unit with a 'one for all and all for one' approach.
England used to under-perform even during the pre-foreign player influx era when European Cups were being won year in year out. Never played with team potential! [Post edited 2 Jul 2016 16:56]
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| Reading Other Forums on 18:17 - Jul 2 with 3012 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Reading Other Forums on 16:53 - Jul 2 by Wingstandwood |
England don't perform because they are a mish-mash of individuals instead of a team.
A disconnected collective stuffed full of pampered individuals whom believe their own individual hype of which some will even go to lengths to feed that very hype themselves, or at the very least be very happy to go along with it all.
I've seen it with the likes of Keegan, Beckham and Rooney etc. Bale is miles better than any of them. Bale is an absolute credit because in his own mind its not all about him. He seems to recognise the importance of a collective unit with a 'one for all and all for one' approach.
England used to under-perform even during the pre-foreign player influx era when European Cups were being won year in year out. Never played with team potential! [Post edited 2 Jul 2016 16:56]
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I think it's hit the buffers for England post Euro 96. They had a half decent side then but no near their Italia 90 team. That team had a likeability about it and had they beaten the Germans on penalties may very well have won the World cup against a rubbish Argentinean side.
Now England's players seem to be rated by how much they earn. And that is just so false. Roy picking big names ut of form and out of position hasn't helped.
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| Reading Other Forums on 18:25 - Jul 2 with 2991 views | Phil_S |
| Reading Other Forums on 18:17 - Jul 2 by Brynmill_Jack |
I think it's hit the buffers for England post Euro 96. They had a half decent side then but no near their Italia 90 team. That team had a likeability about it and had they beaten the Germans on penalties may very well have won the World cup against a rubbish Argentinean side.
Now England's players seem to be rated by how much they earn. And that is just so false. Roy picking big names ut of form and out of position hasn't helped.
And Raheem Stirling - not good enough. |
When they were knocked out of Euro 2000, German football was in a terrible mess. They stepped back and revamped the game top to bottom which is something that the English system could take the opportunity to do if there was any form of appetite from them to do it
However with the way the Premier League works at the moment there won't be that appetite and their international team will remain one of the outsiders at the top table of world football
The German story is a remarkable one
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/23/germany-bust-boom-talent
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22628302
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2014/germanys-7-1-brazil-thrash |  | | |
| Reading Other Forums on 21:30 - Jul 2 with 2770 views | SE1_Jack |
I agree with the sentiment in this thread and Wales' performance is a shining and logical example of it. 9 of the 23 are English and everybody apart from two of them play in the English system. Therefore the argument that England are suffering nationally due to the premier league being dominated by foreign owners, managers and players is rubbish. Wales, with English or English based players have shown that success nationally is due to effective coaching, continuity and a team spirit. | | | |
| Reading Other Forums on 07:18 - Jul 3 with 2600 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Reading Other Forums on 16:53 - Jul 2 by Wingstandwood |
England don't perform because they are a mish-mash of individuals instead of a team.
A disconnected collective stuffed full of pampered individuals whom believe their own individual hype of which some will even go to lengths to feed that very hype themselves, or at the very least be very happy to go along with it all.
I've seen it with the likes of Keegan, Beckham and Rooney etc. Bale is miles better than any of them. Bale is an absolute credit because in his own mind its not all about him. He seems to recognise the importance of a collective unit with a 'one for all and all for one' approach.
England used to under-perform even during the pre-foreign player influx era when European Cups were being won year in year out. Never played with team potential! [Post edited 2 Jul 2016 16:56]
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Clearly Bale is a huge part of the Wales story. He gives the team that real belief, plus his own world class contribution. Viva Gareth Bale. |  |
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